@stan_boyd Yet all of these have and can be seen in movies. Video games are simply a form of interactive media, and personally I am glad that they are now reaching out to mature audiences. Games aren't just for kids anymore and I'm glad that these companies have the balls to really push the limits. If you ask me, people are just making a bigger deal about it than need be. And guess what? If you can't handle the nudity, or the violence?... don't play it. Believe it or not, there is a rating label on the box that tells you that all of these are in the game you're playing. Does it have to be there?... no. But really, does all the shit we see on TV need to be there either? Its not gonna change... and I think if anything this all comes down to consumer censorship... leave it at the choice of the people purchasing the game, what they can handle versus what they can't. And for god's sake, if you can't handle it?... and buy it anyway?... you're simply suffering from your own ignorance. -_-

I don't think the issue is that 'mature' content in games is 'juvenile'. I think that the issue really is that 'video games' is stereotypically seen as Juvenile. But its more and more commonly becoming a form of entertainment accepted by all ages. And Parents need to get that through their darn noggins. The games aren't the issue, the ultra-violence isn't the issue. We ALREADY live in a society that fetishizes violence in our mainstream media, so singling out video games is really just the pot calling the kettle black. What we deem acceptable is all in the eye of the beholder, and I think if anything, game ratings actually need to be taken seriously now by parents. They are there for a reason yet are largely ignored because in the past and in the beginning of the industry, it was often reflected as, "...its a game. How bad can it be?"

Violence, is going to be fetishized in a tasteless manner in media, and its going to be done so in games all the same. Thats not going to change. Our world has turned that way since ancient times (consider the gladiatorial games in rome). If you ask me, people just make a bigger deal out of this then there need to be. Its... A GAME. And shame on YOU, the PARENT, if you're children can't handle these kinds of games, and you give them to them anyway at your OWN IGNORANCE for not heeding the warnings of the rating systems.

@CapnRusty The only way I see an Elder Scrolls MMO working is if they put a great emphasis on player generated content. That means, as in the nature of the single player game, making the MMO a largely player driven game. Sandbox. Player towns? Maybe... but more importantly player driven politics. It would be interesting to see political positions of power attainable for each faction by the players, and hence being able to mold the objectives of each faction. Maybe make all settlements in the game capturable and controllable strongholds for each faction... meaning a faction could lose control of an area if they are attacked by an overwhelming force. I'd imagine there would always be a final fall back area that could not be capped so we didn't get factions just wiped out off the face of the earth... but I guess in my mind I see it as a scenario like in Skyrim. Imperials versus the White Cloaks, or whatever they're called.

Anyway... I doubt they would ever try to go for a mainstream type of game for the Elder Scrolls... they've waited a long time to announce this title, despite it having potential and being begged for by the fanbase for nearly a decade... I highly doubt all of this hasn't been put into consideration by the development team, and I'm sure they'll continue to consider this throughout the development. There is a definite feel of what defines and makes an elder scrolls game... and I doubt they'll try to change that. This is the first time they're stepping in the MMO arena... and honestly? I just can't wait to see how it turns out. Some great potential... if it fails, it fails... but I'd rather see them try with the hopes of having quite possibly one of the greatest games I'll ever play, then be denied my hopes of ever visiting my favorite RPG game Universe in a persistent massively multiplayer world.

@Shawn45 I can agree with you for the most part... but, if this MMO is true to the Elder Scrolls formula and does it justice, this could just be what the MMO industry needs. I'm skeptical, but I'll definately keep an eye on this. I've alwawys fantasized about this game hitting the MMO market... has great potential, but there is going to be much speculation as to whether it'll live up to that potential. Time will tell.