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#1 Sunniesaurus
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@richietickles said:

Well I'm sorry to hear that your friend was burglarized, but one act by a duo does not constitute the whole society of Kansas and you make it sound like every person is a buffoon that as soon as they touch a potentially dangerous object will cause an apocalyptic event. Whether those two guys had clean records or not would not have made a difference in what they did. Criminals who are armed will carry a gun wherever they intend to cause crimes, law abiding people will follow the law.

Prior to the new law, it was already legal to carry a firearm openly in the state without a permit, thus no classes were required. So why is it so different that a person must have taken instruction courses for a concealed carry permit, but nothing for open carry? IMO open carry is more dangerous because the gun is openly displayed and the person has to be much more aware of his/her surroundings.

Comparing meat slicers to guns is foolish. There's a difference between learning to be safe with a firearm and learning to shoot. Being safe with a gun requires nothing more than a list of guidelines, learning to shoot well does require practice, but that practice doesn't require an instructor. You yourself with plenty of experience still wasn't enough to stop from injuring yourself, but when you're using those tools everyday, the chances of something happening increase.

I'd say tho, that the chances of you lopping off another finger are a lot greater than a 19 year old girl accidentally shooting herself or somebody else now that this law is passed.

At the end of the day, if someone is proficient with firearms, they shouldn't be hassled with training courses, nor should an inexperienced person. As Gov. Brownback said, he wanted people who needed training to seek it out, he just doesn't want to force people into it. He's giving the power to the individual, where it rightly belongs.

My suggestion of youtube is just a means for someone to start learning. If after getting informed online isn't enough for them to feel that they're being safe, then it's their CHOICE to seek extra assistance from instructors, which will cost them money.

Finally, I'm glad I helped u dust off the old alt account.

You bring up good points that I'll admit but I'm solid in my opinion that not having a safety course doesn't sound right. It's so much more than just learning to point and shoot, it's learning how to care for the gun proper and how to handle it wisely too. The only experience I can base this on is when I had to take the hunters safety course when I got my hunting license in Kansas, we were taught how to use the weapon properly and fire properly, disarm it, lock it, aim it, and take care of it. This stuff can be seen on youtube but if you at home do something wrong and heaven forbid shoot yourself? Do you realize how much that scares me and I don't even know you? You could be someone who is comfortable with a firearm and knows their stuff, but what if you were someone who had no clue, wants to get a weapon for home protection because now you can, but doesn't want to take a learning course because it's too much out of the way? Youtube simply doesn't contend with hands on learning experience.

With the point you're bringing up, those previously experienced with firearms should be allowed to simply buy their weapon and go about their day in peace without having to take the time to sign up for a one day class that honestly just costs around $100 (because theoretically you've already spent about $500 for a decent handgun so clearly money isn't TOO big of an issue, or have saved up for all the appropriate needs, the weapon, the class) but for someone who's never had a hand gun previously, I honestly feel a safety course needs to be required in order to carry that weapon. The last thing we need is someone shooting themselves in the foot. I just can't bring myself to see NOT having some kind of safety course being a good idea with a firearm, but right now I am in a state who has an incredibly strict safety act with firearms because of the crime rate so my view is biased.

Still, I was very irked by the youtube statement, I stand by that. Youtube does not replace firearm safety courses and never will. Hands on training should be a must for first time buyers, always.

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#2 Sunniesaurus
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I gotta split, gotta work on a lesson before bed since I won't be home when it's due. Toodles!

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#3 Sunniesaurus
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@Renevent42 said:

Really?

http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Junction-City-Kansas.html

Kinda strange to be so scared of a place that has a fairly low crime rate. 12 murders in the past 10 years...murder rate is mildly higher per-capita then most small towns but even then is significantly less than half the rate of a major city. Sounds like your fear is more emotional than anything. If you were that terrified living there I'd hate to see in you any major city.

Have you lived there? Did you walk to school there everyday? You're looking at reported crimes my friend. Do you know how many rapes slide on by from under the law enforcement's noses because of how mangled that place is? I lived there between 2000-2005 which from that link seems to be their peak crime rate, so my experiences there seemed to be biased based on the lack of crime prevention. However I highly doubt there was 1 murder recorded between those years because I crystal-clear remember at least four within that period, two of which were acquaintances through friends.

Just because there's a rate posted on a website doesn't mean that living there was safe. The bloods and the crypts ran the streets during my time there to the point bandannas were banned at school and then a KKK church just had to roll in and plot themselves smack in the middle of the most african-american/non-Caucasian centralized school system so that was on top of everything else. I remember sitting in poetry class and our teacher skipping out on the lesson so that we could all sit down together and just rant, talk, and express our feelings about that development. Now I have no clue if they ended up erecting their "church" but I'll never forget that class.

You know how a place can be deemed safe by percentage but its inner-city problems make it the opposite? That's what JC was. It's kind of like a college infomercial trying to push their college as the best one to attend but once you get inside and get scheduled the classes are crap and the students are all just as bad as highschool with their drama.

When the BTK killer (bind, torture, kill) had reared his ugly head in 2005 (don't get me started on him, just google him) the entire summer was pretty much spent in-doors until he got caught.

I suppose I lived in JC during its bad years, but still. That wasn't the point of my post--my point was youtubing gun safety and that being good enough was the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

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#4 Sunniesaurus
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@richietickles said:

@Treflis said:

@richietickles said:
@Treflis said:

@deeliman said:

Last time I checked you needed a drivers license to legally drive a car...

That's the next issue they'll adresse. Soon it'll be that aslong as you got car keys then you can drive.

Here's the thing: when a person buys a car, they are and must be in constant control of it at all times. When someone carries a gun, it's basically something they've got on their person in case they need it.

It's sort of like a condom: you're not expecting to use it when you go out on Friday night, but you've got one, maybe a backup too if you want to be extra safe.

I'm fairly certain one ought to be in constant control of their firearm to ensure not only their own but also the safety of others.

I agree, but there's a plethora of information in the manuals and pamphlets that come with the gun and even more on the internet. Back in the 80's and 90's there was a need for safety courses, but people don't need that anymore now that youtube exists.

This comment surprised me so much that I had to log back into an account I don't even use just to put my two cents in.

You know what? It's not so much the fact that a ludicrous law is being passed that ruffles my feathers. Hell, I'm all for concealed carry, I lived in a boatload of places that were incredibly unsafe and I didn't feel an ounce of security unless my father had a weapon in the house that could stop someone in their tracks with a warning shot. Want to know the worst place I EVER lived in that made me feel like I couldn't turn a corner without losing my life?

JUNCTION. CITY. KANSAS.

Oh my GOD I can't believe Kansas of all places is going to allow a non-permitted conceal carry law. I just might vomit. One of my best friends was the victim of a home invasion where two men walked right into their home and not only beat the family, but stole all their crap. Hell, she even missed school for a few days because they had feared for their lives. The two men who did it had no previous record. Could you imagine, them falling under the new law and able to get a weapon without a permit nor the classes for safety? Those morons would have put bullets in my best friend and her family faster than a chicken running with their head cut off, and those Kansas chickens are crazy, I've seen them. I LIVED there.

But you know what, that's fine. It's cool. Nixing the permit and the classes is fine. Go ahead, lets get on youtube and watch a video about how to handle a firearm, and then lets see someone go and test it out. Lets go ahead and have the rookie working the meat slicer watch a little youtube to learn how to handle the equipment properly without slicing their fingers off (which, by the way, I still managed to slice the tip of my pointer off after hours of hands on training--I'm not exempt to human error even WITH hands on work) or maybe check out youtube to learn how to properly dispose of an acidic chemical that could eat through your skin. Yeah, youtube has all the answers now doesn't it?

Don't you think for maybe one moment that your statement is just a little blinded? Do you honestly feel that it is truly okay to have a non-permit weapon with no safety course to speak of-on somebody who's only education is a scrap of paper with some directions and a few youtube videos? Youtube isn't going to teach a person hands on education with a dangerous piece of equipment. The Christmas Story phrase "You'll shoot your eye out kid" comes to mind--except it won't be their eye, it'll probably be someone elses, since they didn't take target practice lessons either to learn how to aim properly.

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The color dropper on photoshop says blue. o:

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#6  Edited By Sunniesaurus
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I want to be a children's book illustrator. I actually want to do a jack of all artistic trades and dabble in music, writing, illustrating, and photography because I already do all those things--but I want to be paid for it too.

To take that step towards my goal I'm illustrating a friend's book, hopefully it works out.