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@always_explicit said:

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I think this is the most amusing thing about this topic whenever it arises. The fact is MS took a huuuuge chunk of the market share off of both Sony and Nintendo. Sure they may lose some ground, they may gain some, its constantly variable, but MS is certainly here to stay. They would not be in this market if it did not benefit them or they did not foresee future benefits.

Without the titanfall bundles and promotions that MS has been doing lately, the Xbone would be selling at Wii U-levels.

Do you honestly think MS will like to continue losing money throughout this gen just to sell a third of what SONY is selling? The execs are going to pull the plug this gen. They're losing too much money.

Wow you are a genius. Without marketing a product a product wont sell as much....thanks so much for that ground breaking, earth shattering revelation. Of course MS are going to promote and bundle a highly anticipated game....its common sense. Sony will do exactly the same as soon as some software gets released. The Xbox is a far stronger product than the Wii U. As I said.Ms can afford to continue to lose money, but they are anticipating a profitable gen. Obviously the budgets for marketing are going to be huge this early on in a product lifecycle. I think you really just lack the common sense necessary for this sort of conversation. Sorry...troll attempt failed.

SONY is barely advertising. They're not losing money on hardware.

Microsoft is the one that's doing some serious gambling. SONY doesn't need to put in as much effort.

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AGHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA...

Yes, lemmings. Keep pretending you enjoy playing 2nd class gamer games. The Evil Empire is pleased with your devotion.

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@super600 said:

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£30 billion does not sound reasonable. At all.

Yes, it's not reasonable, which is why I doubt there will be a another Xbox console.

It's just impossible for Xbox to ever recoup that amount. With the PlayStation brand stronger than ever, MS will just keep losing money every generation from here on out.

The Playstation brand is still not that strong. It's stronger now than last gen, but it does not touch the power of the brand during the PS1 and PS2 days.The xbox as a brand is a lot stronger now compared to 6th gen.

LOL... The PS4 is selling much better than the PS1 and PS2.

All playstation users are sticking with the PS4 and most Xbox fans are moving to the PS4.

The online community on the PS4 is thriving while XBL is turning into a wasteland. There are more people right now on PS4 BF4 than there are on 360 AND Bone BF4.

That does not really mean anything because the console will start to fall behind the PS2 in terms of weekly, monthly or yearly LTD sales soon.The PS4 will be lucky to sell as well as the PS1.It will fail to touch the PS2 in terms of LTD sales.

LOL...

Keep dreaming. Stocks have finally stabilized in the US and EU. Wait for the March NPD and prepare to eat crow.

Do you really think the PS4 will sell as well as the PS2 in the current market conditions or are you really trolling?

That's what you lems and hermits said before the PS4 was released. You Pachter wannabes said it would be lucky to sell 5 million before June of 2014. Look where we are now. SONY may just get to 10 million by E3 this year while the Xbone is stuck in the 4 million range.

You failed to answer my question mr. notrolling.

Yes, I do believe the PS4 will sell around the PS2 range. Plus or minus 10 mill. Guarantee it.

I also predict that 3rd parties will make PS4 exclusives, making the lems even more butthurt.

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@super600 said:

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I thought that the next Naughty Dog game will put the final nail in the coffin for the Xbone, but it seems I won't have to wait that long.

The end of Xbox comes in 4 more days.

Is this alt the result of getting owned by Titanfalls 9? I wish fanboys wouldn't hate/hype so much pre release that they damage their reputations permanently. Yes you can be excited. Just take a deep breath before you start typing.

I see more 8s than 9s.

The fact is, with the massive amount of fake manufactured hype that titanfall as received, an 86 is a gigantic disappointment. Microsoft is definitely not happy about it.

Can you prove that claim of yours.And we shouldn't really be talking about the other stickied game in this thread.

This game was stated to be the next Halo: CE by paid MS reviewers and butthurt lems, yet it turned out to be another mediocre CoD-clone.

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@super600 said:

@notrolling said:

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@notrolling said:

@always_explicit said:

£30 billion does not sound reasonable. At all.

Yes, it's not reasonable, which is why I doubt there will be a another Xbox console.

It's just impossible for Xbox to ever recoup that amount. With the PlayStation brand stronger than ever, MS will just keep losing money every generation from here on out.

The Playstation brand is still not that strong. It's stronger now than last gen, but it does not touch the power of the brand during the PS1 and PS2 days.The xbox as a brand is a lot stronger now compared to 6th gen.

LOL... The PS4 is selling much better than the PS1 and PS2.

All playstation users are sticking with the PS4 and most Xbox fans are moving to the PS4.

The online community on the PS4 is thriving while XBL is turning into a wasteland. There are more people right now on PS4 BF4 than there are on 360 AND Bone BF4.

That does not really mean anything because the console will start to fall behind the PS2 in terms of weekly, monthly or yearly LTD sales soon.The PS4 will be lucky to sell as well as the PS1.It will fail to touch the PS2 in terms of LTD sales.

LOL...

Keep dreaming. Stocks have finally stabilized in the US and EU. Wait for the March NPD and prepare to eat crow.

Do you really think the PS4 will sell as well as the PS2 in the current market conditions or are you really trolling?

That's what you lems and hermits said before the PS4 was released. You Pachter wannabes said it would be lucky to sell 5 million before June of 2014. Look where we are now. SONY may just get to 10 million by E3 this year while the Xbone is stuck in the 4 million range.

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@GoldenElementXL said:
@notrolling said:

I thought that the next Naughty Dog game will put the final nail in the coffin for the Xbone, but it seems I won't have to wait that long.

The end of Xbox comes in 4 more days.

Is this alt the result of getting owned by Titanfalls 9? I wish fanboys wouldn't hate/hype so much pre release that they damage their reputations permanently. Yes you can be excited. Just take a deep breath before you start typing.

I see more 8s than 9s.

The fact is, with the massive amount of fake manufactured hype that titanfall as received, an 86 is a gigantic disappointment. Microsoft is definitely not happy about it.

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@super600 said:

@notrolling said:

@super600 said:

@notrolling said:

@always_explicit said:

£30 billion does not sound reasonable. At all.

Yes, it's not reasonable, which is why I doubt there will be a another Xbox console.

It's just impossible for Xbox to ever recoup that amount. With the PlayStation brand stronger than ever, MS will just keep losing money every generation from here on out.

The Playstation brand is still not that strong. It's stronger now than last gen, but it does not touch the power of the brand during the PS1 and PS2 days.The xbox as a brand is a lot stronger now compared to 6th gen.

LOL... The PS4 is selling much better than the PS1 and PS2.

All playstation users are sticking with the PS4 and most Xbox fans are moving to the PS4.

The online community on the PS4 is thriving while XBL is turning into a wasteland. There are more people right now on PS4 BF4 than there are on 360 AND Bone BF4.

That does not really mean anything because the console will start to fall behind the PS2 in terms of weekly, monthly or yearly LTD sales soon.The PS4 will be lucky to sell as well as the PS1.It will fail to touch the PS2 in terms of LTD sales.

LOL...

Keep dreaming. Stocks have finally stabilized in the US and EU. Wait for the March NPD and prepare to eat crow.

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@always_explicit said:

I think this is the most amusing thing about this topic whenever it arises. The fact is MS took a huuuuge chunk of the market share off of both Sony and Nintendo. Sure they may lose some ground, they may gain some, its constantly variable, but MS is certainly here to stay. They would not be in this market if it did not benefit them or they did not foresee future benefits.

Without the titanfall bundles and promotions that MS has been doing lately, the Xbone would be selling at Wii U-levels.

Do you honestly think MS will like to continue losing money throughout this gen just to sell a third of what SONY is selling? The execs are going to pull the plug this gen. They're losing too much money.

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@super600 said:

@notrolling said:

@always_explicit said:

£30 billion does not sound reasonable. At all.

Yes, it's not reasonable, which is why I doubt there will be a another Xbox console.

It's just impossible for Xbox to ever recoup that amount. With the PlayStation brand stronger than ever, MS will just keep losing money every generation from here on out.

The Playstation brand is still not that strong. It's stronger now than last gen, but it does not touch the power of the brand during the PS1 and PS2 days.The xbox as a brand is a lot stronger now compared to 6th gen.

LOL... The PS4 is selling much better than the PS1 and PS2.

All playstation users are sticking with the PS4 and most Xbox fans are moving to the PS4.

The online community on the PS4 is thriving while XBL is turning into a wasteland. There are more people right now on PS4 BF4 than there are on 360 AND Bone BF4.

SONY is probably going to make more in 1 year through PS+ subscriptions than MS will make off the whole Xbox division for this entire generation.

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@super600 said:

@Shewgenja said:

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Two gens in a row of third place. Those bottomless pockets don't seem to be helping too much.

Hardware sales do not reflect overall profitability though do they.

How many times do you lems have to be spanked and taught?

Businesses are not charities. Each individual division in a company can be thought of as a separate company. The difference between the Xbox division and a small grocery down the street is that the Xbox division is subsidized by the profitability of the other divisions of Microsoft while the grocery was bought through a loan from a bank.

In either case, there needs to be some form of profits in order for the division or the grocery to continue to exist. The Xbox division will need to make enough money to recoup the money sunk into Xbox* while the grocery needs to make enough money to recoup the money borrowed + interest. It's the same concept.

The Xbox situation has only gotten worse with the billions spend on R&D for a weaksauce console and billions spent in advertising. That's not counting all the foregone revenue and profit they've lost due to lower software sales, lower LIVE subscriptions, and the promotional deals MS has been doing all throughout this gen so far. Just how much of a moneyhole do you think Xbox* is now? It's probably even worse than when it first started.

In my estimation, I'd put the Xbox division at $30 billion in the red. The Playstation division is probably now at $1 billion in the red.

That would be rather incorrect. Estimates on the XBox division before the XBox One launch had the overall effect of putting the XBox Division about 2B in the red if I remember correctly. Who knows what XBone has done, though. We won't know until the end of FY13. 30B is an incredibly far-fetched figure.

You're forgetting the $6 billion in R&D for the APU, bringing the figure to $8 billion.

They spent double that on advertising, so that's $20 billion.

The titanfall deal and advertising probably cost another $5 billion. Plus, they're now losing money on every console sold due to the titanfall bundle. Yes, $30 billion seems reasonable.

Wow, here I am defending MS.. This is new.

Are you honestly saying they spend ten times as much money to advertise Titanfall as they did on the Kinect for 360?

I would just ignore the user at this point since he's an obvious alt trying to troll. I don't even think MS spent more than a couple hundred million to advertise and buy titanfall if what they spent on advertising and buying titanfall was connected to that $1 billion dollars they set aside for the xbox one.

Okay, maybe $30 billion was a slight exaggeration, but my point still stands that it's nearly impossible for the Xbox division to recoup the money spent on it.

We have linkedin profiles stating that the Xbone APU cost $6 billion in R&D. The controller cost $100 million. The Xbox division was already $2 billion in the red before the gen started, that puts it at $8.1 billion. Don't forget that MS spent a crapton on advertising and the fact that they're now losing money for each Xbone sold.

The figure is probably closer to $10 billion. There is no way in hell Xbox* will ever pay that off, especially since the PlayStation brand is stronger than ever before and the Xbox brand is far weaker than it was last-gen.