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...TeenagedCall me skepticall but when you're born with genetalia and a reproductive system that complements that and works with that of of the opposite sex then that takes precidence over psychological advances in you. Do you also think transvestites and transgenders are normal?
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OK why can't I justify the abnormality of porn, the act of watching two or more people having sex, by paralleling it to the fact that its abnormal to most people, probably most of which also watch porn, to watch people having sex in public which is the same exact thing but live instead? that those same people would find it odd in certain situations as opposed to others? whereas watching it on your computer screen is OK but watching it in a public setting is "wrong". Yes my earlier argument is that society's approval (i.e., what society finds to be normal or abnormal) changes with time and today watching porn is considered normal and I'm saying in another lifetime it might not be. Society dictates what's normal and what isn't. Homosexuality isn't normal still, its in the process of becoming a "societal norm" as you put it. I'm sure its clear as day to you for example how people are more attuned with lesbians but the minute you mentioned a sausage fest its lights out. How is it that lesbians are more normal than gay men? its because society dictates what's normal and what isn't and therefore what's "normal" is subjective to begin with. Al my argument says is that gay people aren't born gay but become gay depending on the environment they grow up in because young people are impressionable and psychology and the brain is a powerful thing. Hell if you watch a couple episodes of 90210 you start thinking thats how reality is; every couple minutes someone is breaking up or hooking up and haha Teddy Montgomery the stud player whose dated every girl in the country suddenly "finds out" he's gay These sort of pro gay messages in movies and TV shows help create a gay mentality, especially in impressionable teens. And can I ask you something: why do so many gay people act so flamboyant all the time? like that dude in your sig for instance. Or is it they're born that way too and not at all affected by society...because being gay is one thing, 2 of my friends are gay and they're normal guys, but I've run into one to many flamboyant gay guys and I can't really put my finger on it.tenaka2
You have a warped view of the world.
Do you know what normal means? more then half of men watch porn, so the majority of men watch porn. Which means that watching porn is normal and NOT watching porn is abnormal.
There is an old saying: the opposite of courage isn't cowardice, its conformity. People always conform to society because "everyone else is doing it", because they would rather stand in a crowd than by themselves. It doesnt make them right, it just makes them predictable. I dont disagree with everything ever said and i agree with you, i do have a warped view of the world but just because most people watch porn, just like back in the day most people watch gladiators kill one another, it doesnt make it "normal" it just means everyone is conforming to society and its values. Keep on watching porn btw, it doesnt harm me and im not out to stop it.You can correct my assumptions if you want by specifying what you mean by saying that porn is not normal. If there is no moral aspect to what you are saying then what is it? Many people can describe their morals as simply their brain talking to them. Using a different description doesnt change the subjective nature of your feelings/opinion on this issue.[QUOTE="mack10"]
And as for your previous post, making assumptions about me doesn't strengthen your argument either. I'm speaking in plain English here and giving you reasons why I think this. And this has nothing to do with morals. Its just my brain talking to me. I don't feel like a better person than the porn addicts, I don't feel like a better person than the homosexuals, I don't think I'm better than anyone or that my moral standings are higher than anyone. I don't run on a code either and I don't care what any religion has said about anything. I just think and this is the best I can come with for you. As for the quote here, explain to me the difference between "societal norms" and "normal" please so maybe I can answer you.
Teenaged
Also a lot of people may not feel better than all those people when and if they might claim that what they are doing is immoral. Having morals doesnt necessarily entail feeling better/superior to those who your morals condemn. At least not consciously better or superior.
Also morals dont have to derive from religion.
I was just covering all the bases for any future assumptions.What? give me the details and be less cryptic. Earlier you used the example of gladiators being killed in ancient Rome and how that was considered normal, right? Wasnt that to illustrate how something being considered normal or not is subjective and changes a lot in time?[QUOTE="mack10"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]You are using societal norms to justify an opinion, while earlier you used an example of centuries ago to illustrate exactly how subjective acceptance (or disapproval) of certain things is?
Teenaged
If yes, you cant hope to justify why you find porn to not be normal by using examples of how society doesnt accept public sexual acts. Because society's acceptance or disapproval (based on your earlier example) is subjective and changes in time.
Not to mention that if not accepting public sexual acts says something negative about porn, it could also say something negative about sex in general. Neither of those (porn and sex) exist specifically to be performed/used in public or in private, yet people prefer to perform them/use them in private. That's just how it is. There's no conclusion to be drawn out of that fact.
OK why can't I justify the abnormality of porn, the act of watching two or more people having sex, by paralleling it to the fact that its abnormal to most people, probably most of which also watch porn, to watch people having sex in public which is the same exact thing but live instead? that those same people would find it odd in certain situations as opposed to others? whereas watching it on your computer screen is OK but watching it in a public setting is "wrong". Yes my earlier argument is that society's approval (i.e., what society finds to be normal or abnormal) changes with time and today watching porn is considered normal and I'm saying in another lifetime it might not be. Society dictates what's normal and what isn't. Homosexuality isn't normal still, its in the process of becoming a "societal norm" as you put it. I'm sure its clear as day to you for example how people are more attuned with lesbians but the minute you mentioned a sausage fest its lights out. How is it that lesbians are more normal than gay men? its because society dictates what's normal and what isn't and therefore what's "normal" is subjective to begin with. Al my argument says is that gay people aren't born gay but become gay depending on the environment they grow up in because young people are impressionable and psychology and the brain is a powerful thing. Hell if you watch a couple episodes of 90210 you start thinking thats how reality is; every couple minutes someone is breaking up or hooking up and haha Teddy Montgomery the stud player whose dated every girl in the country suddenly "finds out" he's gay These sort of pro gay messages in movies and TV shows help create a gay mentality, especially in impressionable teens. And can I ask you something: why do so many gay people act so flamboyant all the time? like that dude in your sig for instance. Or is it they're born that way too and not at all affected by society...because being gay is one thing, 2 of my friends are gay and they're normal guys, but I've run into one to many flamboyant gay guys and I can't really put my finger on it.You are using societal norms to justify an opinion, while earlier you used an example of centuries ago to illustrate exactly how subjective acceptance (or disapproval) of certain things is? What? give me the details and be less cryptic. And as for your previous post, making assumptions about me doesn't strengthen your argument either. I'm speaking in plain English here and giving you reasons why I think this. And this has nothing to do with morals. Its just my brain talking to me. I don't feel like a better person than the porn addicts, I don't feel like a better person than the homosexuals, I don't think I'm better than anyone or that my moral standings are higher than anyone. I don't run on a code either and I don't care what any religion has said about anything. I just think and this is the best I can come with for you. As for the quote here, explain to me the difference between "societal norms" and "normal" please so maybe I can answer you.[QUOTE="mack10"]Why don't we have more public showings instead then? If watching people having sex is normal why aren't there more live events that are socially acceptable? why is it too that the same people who watch porn would most likely find it odd if they see a person in public walking in the nude or sleeping with another person or doing something oral? why is it that parents need to be careful what their kids watch on television or why is it that there are censorship laws in place where porn isn't just televised? its normal shouldn't it be accessible as anything else that's normal is?Teenaged
[QUOTE="mack10"]Where did i ask for advice on turning my love life around? If you read my post you'd have noticed that i was comparing attraction trends from today to back when i was in highschool to see of they had changed or not, Also on a sidenote i do not worry at all about my body unless its about making a weight cut My apologies I was just making an assumption for the sake of conversation. That's the problem with forums since they're not live you can't give and take off people's tones and expressions :S anyway my bad but I'll leave my post up just to see people's take on things.I'm sorry OP but if you're over 20 and you're on gamespot asking women for advice for turning around your love life that we can only assume is lacking at the moment, you need to worry less about abs and worry more about taking a few risks here and there. Women are attracted to all sorts of men and the ones who are superficial to a point where they choose a man for his abs over all other things are usually beach barbies who spend 3 hours in front of a mirror every morning because their self esteem is too low without an inch thick layer of foundation and half a ton of mascara on their face. Don't know, maybe you're just as shallow and thats the kind of woman that does it for you but I prefer a real girl with a little more intellect and a little less glamour. They can be pretty hot and sexy too without all the fake. So look for something else and be confident in yourself and I'm sure you'll find Mrs. Sonofsmeagle with or without the abs (most women will tell you they're just bonus anyway).
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