If anything, these flamers of WoW are ex-players who had issues, were told that WoW is their problem (when in reality the problem is themselves), and thus demonized WoW for their own sakes. Quit lying to yourselves, deal with your problems, and then if you want to, play WoW in moderation.mrbojangles25

"If anything?" Come on, Bojangles. You're smarter than that. There are plenty of people who flame WoW (or, alternatelty, don't "flame" it, but hotly dislike it) who don't have "issues," weren't "told that WoW is their problem when in reality the problem was themselves," and didn't "demonize WoW for their own sakes." There are plenty of people who dislike, hate, or purely loathe WoW, and say so, without "lying to themselves."

It's a little rash and over-defensive of you to describe en masse the haters of a game you enjoy as a dysfunctional, delusional crop of emotionally injured losers.

[QUOTE="_Memento_"][QUOTE="Skullheart"][QUOTE="jacobhazard1704"]

If you don't like the game, don't play it, it's as simple as that.

It is also very annoying to assume that people who play WoW don't have a life. I myself can play WoW, hold a steady girlfriend, and a career in the navy, its not hard.

go ahead and bring on the flame i know its coming :D

Lonelynight

I don't flame World of Warcraft...I flame Blizzard. :) Hate them.

To better answer your question though, "people" probably flame it because of the sole reason of it being popular. No other reason.

When did your opinion turn to fact?

It doesn't matter--it's a fact to him, and that's fine. He's not arguing about whether or not the Holocaust is a myth. He's declaring that a certain video game sucks... a matter of fact? In a technical sense, no, certainly not, but is it the kind ofdeclaration you should be willing to hear upon entering a gaming forum?

I'll float my own "fact" in support: the LA Dodgers also suck. It's a fact. (don't sweat it!)

I'll let you in on a secret. WoW is hated because it's satisfying to join in on mass lambastings of extraordinarily popular, endlessly ubiquitous things--like Titanic, or High School Musical--if you happen not to like them. There's no cultural "reward," so to speak, in crusading against X3, or Silent Hunter 4, because the gamer who dislikes those titles is unlikely to feel confronted with them in every sig, every third homepage, and every player survey. But when the object of your ire is on the radio every time to turn it on... it's fun and natural to jump the inevitably growing bandwagon of others, creating a big voice together to be almost as loud as WoW's popularity in the first place. It's about leveling the cultural playing field.

How many of you are planning to upgrade to Vista to play Bioshock in DX10!?

I am seriously considering switching to Vista..

mnk622

No brainer for me (that's a NO vote). Upgrading my PC's OS is a big decision; it's expensive, and it will alter the way my machine does everything from that point forward. I will almost certainly go Vista at some point in the near future, but not for this reason.

I'm always shocked when people do this sort of thing for a single game.

Republic Commando is probably one of the best and most underrated StarWars games out there. It has a new twist on the SW gameplay as you don't see or play as a jedi throughout the entire game, its all 1st person FPS as a super elite clone trooper commando squad. Definately worth the buy you won't regret it, at its height it even had a strong MuliPlayer community, dunno if thats still there now since i havent played it in years.

Knights of the Old Republic 1&2 are worth the buy (especially the first one) with a great star wars storyline and lots of customisable options for your character/playing style and offcourse it was designed by Bioware who have yet to make a crap RPG game yet. So yeah go out and buy it today you wont regret it, not to mention there is a massive modding community for it.

Empire at War series is something you should also invest in, a great StarWars RTS game which has a large modding community for it aswell as some pretty sweet graphics and storylines. Lots of different units are available for you to build and fight with, not to mention you can play as the Empire or Rebellion or if you download some of the mods you can add extra factions/units/planets etc.

Jedi Knight series are some of the best and well known games concerning the Star Wars series. Great stroylines and modding community available and again you get to play as a kickass jedi so nothing more to say other than buy it. Jedi Knight 2 and Jedi Academy are the ones you want (their the two newest and best IMO).

1005

Nice breakdown. I agree completely about Republic Commando--I bought it cheap, for the heck of it, and was really, really suprised by how much I enjoyed it. It's as atmospheric, energetic, and altogether fun as any SW game out there.

Though I enjoyed KOTOR, and would recommend it to almost anyone, I have to say it didn't fulfill my expectations fully. I was a big fan of the late-90s Bioware / Black Isle and related stuff (Baulder's, Icewind, Planetscape, etc), and found KOTOR to be a less edgy, less complex take on the D&D RPG model. It's beautiful, and it has a well-done story and good overall vibe, but it feels a little hand-holdy (other games building off a similar model, like NeverWinter Nights 2, have felt similarly streamlined).

I thoroughly dug Jedi Knight II and Jedi Academy--love the lightsaber action. Would replay either if I had the time.

What about X-Wing and TIE Fighter? Until Freespace 2 came along, these were easily the very best space-sims available anywhere. I played the heck out of them.

^^question

I buy one or two games at least every month.

Jd1680a

Sigh... hmm, well, it varies. On one hand--I feel as though I'd like to buy more games, more often, but I don't have the money. I probably buy fewer than 1 every 2 months; I could easily go a year buying only 4 or 5.

On the other hand, I feel like the handful of games I actively play is enough to keep me busy. I don't have a ton of free time,and those 4 or 5 titles seem to keep me occupied.

I guess that means... everything's ok?

hmm, I have FreeSpace 2 CDs(my dad got them for me a year or so ago) but never bothered to put them in. The game seemed to old for me to play :p I guess Ill try tis game as well.DarthMaul135

Subzero and the rest of the FS2-loving crowd is right; it's a crazy-good space sim, and easily oneofthe best examplesof the genre, ever. Sure it's a bit old by now, but I think the graphics will still hold up (isn't there a good mod/patch which updates some of the visuals?). The gameplay is off the hook. If you're into this sort of game, it's a must.

[QUOTE="lokstah"][QUOTE="-Unreal-"][QUOTE="lokstah"][QUOTE="therog2"]

[QUOTE="-Unreal-"]Bioshock is not an RPG, it's not even close. It is an FPS game straight up. People try and make it seem more in depth than it is by talking about customization (which is simple to start) and blowing it out of proportion as if it's something that will completely change the game. The game seems very linear too, and set on rails. Other than that, the core game seems pretty good.-Unreal-

Another good example!
How can you make accusations like that? The game isn't even out yet.

Didn't you know, therog2? The Gamespot forums are populated with psychics and time-travelers, all under the age of 15. And noisy.

Or just people that use GameSpot for things it was first built for, and that's researching games.

Think before you touch the keyboard there sport, maybe you'll make an intelligent post in the future.

My post was razzing a GS forum tendency that's pretty hard to deny, son. There are folks who enjoy researching games--including unreleased ones--through websites like this one, and then there are folks who seem to believe that reading a preview or two and studying a screenshot permits them to review games without playing them first.

Browse any thread about an unreleased title (this thread, by the way, is a swell example), and you'll find reasonable speculation sharing space with claims that should only have come from someone who traveled through time, played the game thoroughly, and then traveled back to our time to declare, "this is a mediocre game," or "this game is awesome," or "this game sports fairly linear gameplay." That annoys me. Does the fact that that annoys me make me unintelligent? Perhaps, wise one. Perhaps.

Let's make a deal. I'll start "making intelligent posts," as you say, when you stop attempting to write thoughtful posts and make love connections in WOW at the same time. I respect multi-tasking, but here you're falling flat.

What I think, is you're a smart ass, one that tries to troll the forums by being a smart ass. You make comments like "son" as a means of trolling by making out you're older than me. Being older than me doesn't make you any smarter.

What I posted was what I have found from the demo, screenshots, videos, interviews and all the other things I listed. Seems to me you're one of those fanboys that scour the forums looking for even the slightest comment that goes against your opinions of a game you like, and you troll them to try and make yourself feel better after getting annoyed by it. And don't even try to deny it, because I know that's what is going on.

You even go on picking my little pictures of WoW out and using that to try and troll me to make yourself feel better after I made a comment about your precious Bioshock not being an RPG. You can't handle it, GTFO of the forums instead of QQ'ing then trying to troll people.

Pick key words out of my post like DEMO and SEEMS. Stop being such a bitter little smart ass and stop the trolling, you're just another one of those people that get aggitated too easily and feel the need to aggitate others back in order to feel better.

pot

kettle

black.

(Along with Gamespot's psychic and time-traveler contingent, the black-kettle squad is also sizeable.) My use of "son," along with my quip about your chunky language use and WoW, was no more condescending or snarky than your use of "sport" and your quip about "making an intelligent post in the future." Damn right I'm a smart ass--or at least I know how to be one when I'm dealing with one. You're not much different. (Maybe we should both "GTFO the forums," as you so elegantly put it).

Anyways, about Bioshock, demos, and fanboyism. Anyone who knows me or reads my posts would probably argue that I'm hardly a fanboy. In fact, I think this exchange is a sign ofmy anti-fanboyism. I'm not a defender of Bioshock, because I haven't played it yet. I've read a few reviews, and they seem promising, but I know that it's far too early for me--personally--to have an opinion about this game.

I absolutely reserve the right to hold pre-release-fan-reviews as a Gamespot pet peeve of mine. It's something that happens to annoy me. Both Bioshock and Crysis, for instance, were being described and evaluated by wishful gamers long before a demo was released for the former; that's silly. That's not necessarily you, of course. My post was an open-ended reaction to time-travelers, not Unreal specifically. Your initial post was a little psychic, but since you've studied screenshots in addition to that demo, I'm willing to concede that you've got a well-rounded, thoroughly informed opinion of Bioshock.

Fair enough?

Good game but it just doesn't have the same feel as some of the older games.Not really sure why, it could be the frustrating AI or the diplomacy.RTW had some similar issues but that era was just so much cooler than the medieval era IMO.I actually re-installed shogun on my PC, that is how fun the older TW games are.

The mods for M2TW make the game about a million times better and there are some really good ones being made as we speak so the game definitely has some value.

skullman1

Though I think the game is thoroughly enjoyable as is, I agree some of the mods are excellent. I forget the name of the one I'm running, but it includes a billion balance tweaks. Feels great.

It's great. The Total War series is some of the finest strategy gaming out there, from Shogun on to Medieval II. And where else can you get such a satisfying real-time / turn-based fix all in the same title?

Regarding the Medieval I / Rome / Medieval II comparison, though, I'd have to agree with Ahurigaan that there's a super strong similarity between Rome and M2, while Rome plays quite differently from the first Medieval. (Hello, people... the global map engine alone tells the tale. Medieval I shares Shogun's Risk model).