@Blabadon said:
It's six months or so into the gen. Jesus.
Its a question. "If" being the operative word.
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@UnbiasedPoster said:
Well, besides the PS3.
:cool:
Ps3 did not win last Gen. the Wii did
@misterpmedia said:
@Wasdie said:
At what cost though? The Xbox One is more than capable of 1080p, it just needs to make more sacrifices to get there. That's just how it is.
As devs push rendering on both the PS4 and Xbox One, expect more and more compromises to be made. Algorithms will be improved, rendering will be optimized, new techniques will be developed, but the PS4 and Xbox One's hardware will not change which means eventually you hit a limit on what you can render.
In fact there are games that are already 1080p but then there is disparity in effects between both versions. It's as if they'll always be a bigger trade off for the Xbone.
which games? which effects?
If the ps4 wins this gen, will it be the first time this has happened in recent history??
@Krelian-co said:
@kbanna said:
@Krelian-co said:
@kbanna said:
@cainetao11 said:
@Krelian-co said:
@cainetao11 said:
@Krelian-co said:
@cainetao11 said:
@Krelian-co said:
resolution "parody"
Damn lems showing their ignorance once again, i guess it is a pre requisite for being a lem that you have to be ignorant and/or dumb.
Sort of like your sentence structure? Proper structure would have used a period rather than a comma, as you already had your group and subject defined. The next is a hypothesis of your first statement.
aw how cute, you don't have any argument so you are going to talk bs about commas and points, go on.
No different than you and your spelling insults.
hahaha oh man you must be dumber than i thought. Grasping at straws. Not my fault that lems show to be so incredibly ignorant
By all means enlighten me. What "argument" did you make by insulting that user's misuse of the term parity?
Don't worry about him. Its been corrected hours ago and he completely dodged the whole point of the thread anyway. let him celebrate his "win"
what win i just pointed out you don't know what parity is because you are an ignorant guy talking about stuff he doesn't have a clue about.
Sure. Any input on the actual topic now?
i did in the many other threads about the secret sauce of the xbone, but go ahead and keep thinking that teh software updates will magically transform bad hardware.
So the crew being 1080p 30fps has to do with secrete sauce???.........Never mind. Back to correcting my spelling. Its ok little buddy...you tried.
@Krelian-co said:
@kbanna said:
@cainetao11 said:
@Krelian-co said:
@cainetao11 said:
@Krelian-co said:
@cainetao11 said:
@Krelian-co said:
resolution "parody"
Damn lems showing their ignorance once again, i guess it is a pre requisite for being a lem that you have to be ignorant and/or dumb.
Sort of like your sentence structure? Proper structure would have used a period rather than a comma, as you already had your group and subject defined. The next is a hypothesis of your first statement.
aw how cute, you don't have any argument so you are going to talk bs about commas and points, go on.
No different than you and your spelling insults.
hahaha oh man you must be dumber than i thought. Grasping at straws. Not my fault that lems show to be so incredibly ignorant
By all means enlighten me. What "argument" did you make by insulting that user's misuse of the term parity?
Don't worry about him. Its been corrected hours ago and he completely dodged the whole point of the thread anyway. let him celebrate his "win"
what win i just pointed out you don't know what parity is because you are an ignorant guy talking about stuff he doesn't have a clue about.
Sure. Any input on the actual topic now?
@cainetao11 said:
@Krelian-co said:
@cainetao11 said:
@Krelian-co said:
@cainetao11 said:
@Krelian-co said:
resolution "parody"
Damn lems showing their ignorance once again, i guess it is a pre requisite for being a lem that you have to be ignorant and/or dumb.
Sort of like your sentence structure? Proper structure would have used a period rather than a comma, as you already had your group and subject defined. The next is a hypothesis of your first statement.
aw how cute, you don't have any argument so you are going to talk bs about commas and points, go on.
No different than you and your spelling insults.
hahaha oh man you must be dumber than i thought. Grasping at straws. Not my fault that lems show to be so incredibly ignorant
By all means enlighten me. What "argument" did you make by insulting that user's misuse of the term parity?
Don't worry about him. Its been corrected hours ago and he completely dodged the whole point of the thread anyway. let him celebrate his "win"
@getyeryayasout said:
I was watching The Scoop! on IGN and one of the guys (I don't recall who) said that the new Wolfenstein was going to be 1080/60 on the X1. I'm sure the PS4 will always have an edge, but the X1 should continually close the resolution gap as the gen progresses.
No this only means that a) The game is weak graphics and sucks, or, b) they are dumbing it down for the weak X1 and would of been 1440p, 120p on the ps4.
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@Wasdie said:
@kbanna said:
This is what's so interesting about the beginning of a new Gen. People hedging bets, given the tech, on how things will play out. I remember hearing all last gen that once Dev got a handle on the PS3 that the 360 will get left in the dust and the differences would be evident. I was impressed with both Last of Us, and Halo4 near the end of that Gen.
I have been reading/researching X1 architecture, dx12, esram etc and trying to fig out why MS would pay 3 billion on a gpu that was weaker then its competitor, as well as, what their overall plan was with this architecture. I'm not gonna join the loony bin committee, so I will keep my opinion on it to myself. Plus I wont even pretend to be technically savvy enough get into what I suspect they did.
All I will say is I am very interested to see how this stuff all plays out.
Under Ballmer, Microsoft has been running extremely inefficiently. No department was really working together and their goals were constantly changing. It was not good. They spent an ungodly amount of money on the Xbox One (I don't think it was 3 billion) mainly due to this. Constantly changing requirements by executives trying to make a name for themselves by making a "wonder product".
That has been Microsoft's terrible strategy as of late. None of their products had focus and tried to do far more than they were capeable of and all have been pretty big failures. Windows 8 and their entire tablet line has been a colossal disaster for the company. The Xbox One has not been doing nearly as well as Microsoft was hoping as they banked more on the name, media features, and 3rd parties coming through for them rather than focusing their efforts. Sony did that last gen with the PS3 and it nearly broke the Playstation's back.
Unfortunately the Xbox One is suffering from the past decade of bad decisions made by higher-ups at Microsoft. The entire company is in a sort of disarray with various products scattered all over a bunch of markets with no real common theme and nothing tying them together. It's going to take awhile for Microsoft to dig themselves out of this hole.
Just examining all of the various aspects of the Xbox One shows that the thing was never developed with a clear vision. That's been the unfortunate story of Microsoft for many years. This really means the money they spent on the Xbox One isn't going into some grand master plan that will push the Xbox One to victory. It just means it was probably squandered as the scope of the Xbox One changed over and over and over.
Agreed to an extent. Their last Regime was a total clusterf%k. They got extremely bigheaded and relied on 3rd party games to sell their console. I think people like Mattrick gave the Investors exactly what they wanted. Huge gains (xbl goods and services were generating 1 billion a year towards the end, not including game software) at little risk or investment by the company. That was def a bad look for the gaming fans who made that console what it was. I was totally unimpressed with their focus towards the end of last Gen. It was obvious that their was a disconnect from the original team that birthed the 360.
Peter Moore, Phill Spencer and Co. were so hungry at the beginning of last Gen. They were going after Sony and it showed. They were about games and stealing market share as well as innovation with xbl etc.. The Problem was once these guys left, MS seemed to plug the hole with "Suits" and Marketing execs that could care less about gaming at all..
The 3 billion I was referring to was the worth of the Deal MS made with AMD on their co-developed GPU. Unless they have that much money to burn due to "confusion", I think they made this GPU to sync with DX12 or what ever else the were developing in house at the time. Though everyone is very aware of the type of GPU, the questions was surrounding the other hardware modifications that was added to the GPU ...and why. Sony also made modifications to their GPU as well. I hear this Dev talking about DX12 causing over heating. (Yes we know he is crazy and a nutcase) and I look at the X's huge size, Huge fan, and how it was viewed as overkill at the time....
I Do think that there was confusion amongst divisions at MS. But I do see a perceived turn around. The Universal APPS across all platforms. windows 8.1 being released on both computers and windows phones as well as DX12 being used to anchor them seems like at the bear minimum the diff divisions are being reeled in.
I always subscribe to loosing and getting your ass kicked every now and then. The PS4 is what it is because they learned form their mistakes last Gen. MS needs a good kick in the ass right now...and I think that's what they are getting from their fans who are abandoning them. Hence the price drops and apologies. Whether they can adapt in time is the question. .
@Wasdie said:
@kbanna said:
I disagree. The fact that Infamous and Ryse are the two best looking games out now implies to me that there will always be a back and fourth between these two systems when it comes to "perceived" graphics.
The internet can go break down the particles used in Infamous vs the polygons per character in Ryse all they want, but what matters is what I see when I walk into a Best buy and look for myself. I have not seen a visual edge for ether machine so far.
As far as the x1 always struggling to maintain resolution and framerate for the entire gen... We will just have to see if this is true.
We have hit diminishing returns on graphics. An extra 10,000 polygons into Ryse's character models wouldn't have made any noticeable impact on the graphics quality.
That said, you'll start to notice in the future how PS4 games start having better lighting/shading due to a more powerful GPU with a significantly faster fill rates. The differences will be subtle, but they will still be there. I doubt it will be enough to convince people to buy a PS4 over an Xbox One, but it will be noticeable.
This is what's so interesting about the beginning of a new Gen. People hedging bets, given the tech, on how things will play out. I remember hearing all last gen that once Dev got a handle on the PS3 that the 360 will get left in the dust and the differences would be evident. I was impressed with both Last of Us, and Halo4 near the end of that Gen.
I have been reading/researching X1 architecture, dx12, esram etc and trying to fig out why MS would pay 3 billion on a gpu that was weaker then its competitor, as well as, what their overall plan was with this architecture. I'm not gonna join the loony bin committee, so I will keep my opinion on it to myself. Plus I wont even pretend to be technically savvy enough get into what I suspect they did.
All I will say is I am very interested to see how this stuff all plays out.
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