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#1 braindead_hero
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[QUOTE="braindead_hero"][QUOTE="SpaceMoose"]

I don't agree with JoeRatz, but how is homosexuality not "abnormal"? ("Abnormal" does not mean "wrong.")

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Because homosexuality is found in other animals and occurs in nature and is simply determined by chemicals in the brain all of which are normal things

Then by that definition literally everything is "normal" and the word therefore has no meaning. It's not "normal," meaning it's not what happens regularly. Saying that homosexuality is normal is like saying that being an albino or a midget is "normal." No, it isn't. They might live "normal" lives, but that doesn't make the condition itself "normal." Excess political correctness is so stupid...

I would actually take it the other way, as there are so many variations and millions of different people who believe and do different things, nothing can be considered normal

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#2 braindead_hero
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[QUOTE="darkhorse286"]

But what you just said there is that homosexuality is abnormal. You just made it slightly longer and more subtle.

SpaceMoose

I don't agree with JoeRatz, but how is homosexuality not "abnormal"? ("Abnormal" does not mean "wrong.")

Also normal is not really an objective thing, for example in a society where everyone has sex with children, child molestation would be considered normal
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#3 braindead_hero
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[QUOTE="darkhorse286"]

But what you just said there is that homosexuality is abnormal. You just made it slightly longer and more subtle.

SpaceMoose

I don't agree with JoeRatz, but how is homosexuality not "abnormal"? ("Abnormal" does not mean "wrong.")

Because homosexuality is found in other animals and occurs in nature and is simply determined by chemicals in the brain all of which are normal things
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[QUOTE="braindead_hero"][QUOTE="JoeRatz16"] He also insulted the Bishops and the Knight's who are US citizens. Not to mention to insult the Pope is to insult all 1 billion Catholics, including the 60 Million Catholics who are US Citizens.

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What about the Millions of atheists, muslims, protestants and everyone who isn't a catholic who find some or all of the pope's views offensive? Like those on abortion, gay marriage, contraception ect. ect.

I doubt Muslims and Protestants are offending by the Catholic teaching on gay marriage, abortion and contraception since those are also the teachings of their religions. And anyway, if it is offensive to defend innocent human life or to defend the laws of nature and of God, then too bad.

Ok so the millions of moderates and atheists are to be completely ignored. And whilst we're out not offending anyone the muslims find the consumption of alcohol offensive so maybe that should be banned? Or maybe as people find women who are not completely covered up offensive so maybe all women should be confined to their houses so it doesn't offend anyone. Also if it's offensive to voice your own opinions using free speech as protected in the US constitution then too bad to you
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Perhaps we wouldn't have this problem if our leaders we're appointed by some kind of religious tribunal instead of the majority of the people deciding for themselves through democratic elections, thats how Iran do it and they seem pretty OK
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="JoeRatz16"] Wow the topic of that article is so misleading. the Pope didn't insult gay people (I actually read the actual speech) he said that just as the environment needs protection so does the human person need protection and so does the natural design for the differance between men and women need protecting. He was saying that man should not forget his nature.JoeRatz16

Which relies on the assumption that homosexuality is of an abnormal nature, which is most certainly an insult.

No the Pope didn't say that homosexuality is abnormal, he said it is abnormal for two people of the same sex to have sex with each other because it defeats the natural purpose of the sexual act which is procreation (not to mention there is no complementarity of parts and thus no "true sex").

Which of course implies that homosexuality is abnormal
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]How is criticising a person as a discredited leader 'pope bashing'? The fact that the obama-hating is getting this pointless really shows that the opposition crowd haven't got a foot to stand on. He disagrees with the pope's stance on gay marriage and gay rights in general. Good for him. That doesn't make him bad for the job. Heck, i went to a catholic school (which still is a catholic school) and the principle gave a speech in a cathedral just last week about how corrupt and archaic the church has become. The last thing America needs is another yes-man. JoeRatz16

the last thing America needs is another yes-man that sucks up to the president. We need someone courageous enough to rebuke Obama.

Damn, if only we didn't elect leaders by majority vote!
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[QUOTE="braindead_hero"][QUOTE="JoeRatz16"] at least they're not his own citizens.

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Oh so It's all OK then, well the Pope isn't a US citizen so I don't see what your problem is

He also insulted the Bishops and the Knight's who are US citizens. Not to mention to insult the Pope is to insult all 1 billion Catholics, including the 60 Million Catholics who are US Citizens.

What about the Millions of atheists, muslims, protestants and everyone who isn't a catholic who find some or all of the pope's views offensive? Like those on abortion, gay marriage, contraception ect. ect.
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[QUOTE="braindead_hero"]And the last US administration we're amazing at not offending anyone, just the middle east, europe, china and pretty much the rest of the worldJoeRatz16

at least they're not his own citizens.

Oh so It's all OK then, well the Pope isn't a US citizen so I don't see what your problem is
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[QUOTE="zakkro"][QUOTE="JoeRatz16"] Separation of Church in state doesn't mean the state should be disrespectful to the Church in fact it means the state should be neutral to the Church and criticism of the Church by government officials violates that neutrality. But if you really want Separation of Church and state Obama shouldn't even have a Council for faith-based groups.

JoeRatz16

Pretty sure it's set up so the government doesn't pass bills favoring one religion over the other... not to suppress free speech.

private citizens have free speech, government representative give up that right to some degree. If government doesn't favor one religion, government should also not criticize and malign one religion, government should be representative.

Islam anyone?