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#1 appariti0n

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@lundy86_4 said:

Ahhh, then we have Google striking a deal with Reddit... Link.

Good lord, now we're all in really big trouble lol.

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#2 Edited By appariti0n

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@Vaasman: Look who's talking about refusing to see anything that doesn't fit their narrative bud. I can guarantee you haven't gone and tried it for yourself.

I mean, it literally lectures you as follows when asking for pictures of the diversity and achievements of white people, but it doesn't do the same for any other race. So it's intentional. Either by code, or the data they have chosen to feed it has been handpicked to give a certain result.

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#3 appariti0n

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Odd that none of the other AI platforms seem to have this particular issue. It's only the one where the guy leading it is an anti-white, racist nut job. Must be a total coincidence!

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#4 Edited By appariti0n

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@br0kenrabbit said:

@Vaasman said:

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@Vaasman: How so? I'm asserting that it was intentionally programmed to "not show white people".

and I'm telling you your assertion makes no sense if you think about it for even ten seconds.

Your assertion is that they want to avoid showing white people, but like, it's a team of tens if not hundreds if not thousands of individuals who could easily have seen what was wrong with that concept if it was the intended goal. There is essentially no chance that there was a desire to avoid white people when very key depictions of them through history would cause problems.

It's far, far, far more likely they trained it on all races and it simply decides every now and then to include the things it trained on even when it makes no sense, much how in my prior example, ai can white washes people when they aren't white. If you have ever played with ai image generators, you know this happens a lot.

It's not some deep-seated conspiracy, it's just growing pains of the tech, and until I see some code that shows it happening deliberately I'm not buying your explanation for a second.

I think the short answer is it was trained that 'People' with no other context are 'white'. You hear that a lot down here in the south. 'Black People' is a commonly heard phrase, but no one says 'White People' because that's what most people mean when they say 'people'.

The data is biased, not the programmers.

Except if you ask it for "show me people doing X" it also was showing anyone except white people lol.

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#5 appariti0n

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@Vaasman said:

@appariti0n said:

@Vaasman: How so? I'm asserting that it was intentionally programmed to "not show white people".

and I'm telling you your assertion makes no sense if you think about it for even ten seconds.

Your assertion is that they want to avoid showing white people, but like, it's a team of tens if not hundreds if not thousands of individuals who could easily have seen what was wrong with that concept if it was the intended goal. There is essentially no chance that there was a desire to avoid white people when very key depictions of them through history would cause problems.

It's far, far, far more likely they trained it on all races and it simply decides every now and then to include the things it trained on even when it makes no sense, much how in my prior example, ai can white washes people when they aren't white. If you have ever played with ai image generators, you know this happens a lot.

It's not some deep-seated conspiracy, it's just growing pains of the tech, and until I see some code that shows it happening deliberately I'm not buying your explanation for a second.

How exactly would an AI change the pope to be black, when the only images of "the pope" it could have possibly been fed would have all been white males? Unless there's an intentional mandate to include/exclude certain ethnicity?

Or when asked for an image of the founding fathers, it still comes up with black people? When every single one of them was white, and any image of any of them would have depicted a white male?

The fact that even nazis somehow have enforced diversity, when the only images of nazis it could have ever been fed would have also been white people proves my point, not yours.

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#6 appariti0n

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@pyro1245: That particular one is fake, not generated by gemini.

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#7 appariti0n

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@Vaasman: How so? I'm asserting that it was intentionally programmed to "not show white people".

So yeah, when it shows nazis as being black, the AI is clearly just following that directive resulting in hilarious and unintended consequences.

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#8 appariti0n

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@Vaasman said:

And I'm sure all of you made just as big of a deal when instagram filters and ai generation were white-washing everyone for a while, riiiight?

Like obviously it's just an overcorrection with poor implementation and coding, not some secret exposed woke agenda. Let's not draw the stupid and wrong conclusion to make this non-issue seem like an issue.

I mean, this is the exec in charge. But I'm sure it was just a "glitch", and totally not intentionally programmed that way.

https://nypost.com/2024/02/22/business/white-privilege-is-f-king-real-google-gemini-product-leads-old-tweets-allegedly-resurface-amid-woke-ai-image-fiasco/