All of these games were programmed on the xbox 360 as the leading platform, so the ps3 versions will always suffer due to this. Until this changes it will probably remain the same way, but they are very minor it has to be said.

Lets get this straight, xbox is a good console but cant do MGS4 because of storage issues. PS3 can not only do Gear 2, but do it better, again because of bluray. Gear 3 is coming to PS3 so we will see which version is better. Where are those who mention lack of games for the PS3, what can they say now, so many games to choose from now for the Ps3 and will only get better.

MTMind2 - I think your referring to Dr Yassem, i dont know where he is either, probably still trying to clean the egg off his face. Its been a couple of months since this debate started, but its well and truly finished now, thanks to sez-who : ). Anyway roll on killzone 2, and Crysis Warhead (PC game, but in a league of its own, even PS3 cant touch it, although the Cell has a chance to get close).

Sez-who, thanks for finding that link, that really is the perfect solution to this argument, and hopefull should end it, 360 owners are forced to eat humble pie on this one. Dr Yassem, you have NO argument whats so ever to put on the table now, just accept it with dignity. Ideally for the PS3 everything should be on a single bluray, e.g. if band of brothers HD on a single 100 gb bluray, or Motorstorm 1+2 on a single 50 GB bluray, as long as its a single bluray, its all good.

Dr Yassem - My comments about GOW1 were that it was way to short, this is blatently due to DVD storage issues, the PC version pees all over the 360 version, with GOW3 officially announced to appear on PS3. If its on Bluray, more levels, more HD, more everything for the PS3 version. Dr Yassem, since we last spoke, it appears FF is set to appear on the 360, but in a diluted form, do you understand my point now? Skyrider - Yes the Xenos has a better unified shader architecture as its based on DX10, so images look sharper on 360, but the Cell is akin to supercomputer processing so more than balances this issue. The cell is used by the US military to simulate the digital battlefield, this says it all (before anyone says this forum is about graphics, see Crysis and its dependance on the CPU rather than the GPU for graphics perfomance). HD DVD is dead so forget about HD on 360 now lol, thats for bluray only. Also the PS3 is more akin to PC architecture that the 360 can dream of, its ironic really. e.g open GL nature for game mods, ability to install other OS the list goes on, can you watch a HD divx file on 360, not a chance matey. Overall the PS3 just trumps the 360, remember £££=quality, and the PS3 is more expensive for a reason.

MiltoxBeyond - The bluray issue goes deeper than that. E.g the audio on MGS4 is PCM uncompressed audio, basically TrueDolby and is almost 5-6 GB of data, can you ever see that amount of audio on a 360 dvd game? Also you mentioned that the PS3 has limited GPU processing, the rsx has more raw horsepower than the xenos, so not really a valid argument. The theme here is 'more is better', and more games will be made that are 30-40+ GB in size, so the 360 is massively bottlenecked in this regard, so a game like MGS4 will NEVER appear on 360, there are even references in the game to this effect about bluray, and its hilarious. Bluray 100gb are due soon, so the sky is the limit for ps3, not so for 360 im afraid. In this sense not all games, expecially blockbusters, from the PS3 will ever be able to appear on the 360, although ANY 360 game can appear on the PS3 with a lot left in the tank, maybe even improved with more levels and graphics (elder Scrolls 4 oblivion anyone). GOW3 is set to appear on PS3, it will be very interesting how the versions differ (how short was GOW1, too short lol er DVD maybe the problem).

Al3x_n90 - Are you serious SONY showed GOW3, as in for the PS3? Are pulling our legs mate lol. Bit dissapointed FF is appearing on 360, although itll be port so not as good as ps3 version. MT Mind2 - I was just saying what the general concensus is, sorry i wont make a statement like that again.

Dr Yassam - your ratings say it all really. "ingame graphics, it's nothing beyond what we've seen elsewhere." - mate, have you played the game yet, i cant think of a single game that compares to the in game GFX of MGS4, except maybe uncharted. AL3x_n90 - Yeh i guess your right there, cant discount uncharted. Notice a pattern amerging about games being mentioned, all PS3 games. MGS4, Uncharted, KZ2, Final Fantasy... ok go on then we'll include GOW2 to keep em happy.

Guys, as this is a graphics debate, i think we can all agree (360 and PS3 owners) that currently the game with the best graphics (lighting, shading, textures etc) is MGS4. Nothing compares to it at the moment, i mean some of the scenes are TV realistic, i mean just look at the fried eggs, theyre real, not graphics. As i stated before, i have all three gaming platforms, and have to state that the PS3 and 360 are fairly equal in terms of gaming performance, but the PS3 trounces the 360 in every other department. PC gaming rules, but not part of this forum.

PS Freak - Thats the point most of us are making, but people like Dr Yassam dont seem to understand - Maximum storage. With Assasins Creed the game has had to be scaled back, so that it can fit onto a DVD for the 360 (do you not understand this concept Dr Yassam - or are you gonna keep saying Multiple discs!!!). Games are getting bigger and bigger, and thus need more storage, Bluray is the only answer, forget data read speeds, its all about overall storage, bigger is better is the key point here. Maybe a whole new set of blockbuster exclusive games should be made for PS3/PC only, with the other mainstream games going to 360/Wii due to their storage bottlenecks. This would make sense, as the PS3/PC use Open GL (i.e using PC mods on the PS3 transferred by SD card etc). The 360 is a proprietry system i.e closed, and cannot use PC mods etc, only download patches etc from XBOX live specifically for the 360.