[QUOTE="Trollsters"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

If a person is mentally retarded to the extent that they cannot reason and think properly for themselves, you will be charged with murder for shooting them on your property. Even MORE certainly if you invited them onto your property. The comparison of a mentally challenged person to a fetus that cannot think or act for itself is a pretty good analogy.

An unborn child inside a woman's uterus did not "break and enter." It was created by the woman and the man she had sex with, which equates to an invitation inside the house. The fact that the life was created by the 2 people having sex puts it in a whole different league to me, but an invitation is the best comparison there is.

If a person is mentally retarded to the extent that they cannot reason and think properly for themselves, you will be charged with murder for shooting them on your property. Even MORE certainly if you invited them onto your property. The comparison of a mentally challenged person to a fetus that cannot think or act for itself is a pretty good analogy.

[QUOTE="Lockedge"]

[QUOTE="binpink"]

This is so sexist. All of that is on the shoulders of the woman. A man is not blamed for getting a woman pregnant. It's the woman's job to not get pregnant, stop having sex, get her tubes tied, etc. A man makes up half the situation and yet it's always the woman's fault. And the right thing to do is force her into a pregnancy while the man gets to walk away? And yes cutting a child support check and having nothing else to do with the woman or baby is getting to walk away.

Thanks. :3 The inequality alone that banning all abortion would create, or even banning it except in cases of rape, is scary.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="ArmoredAshes"]

Thats because whether you liek it or not, murder is a legal term. And as long as abortion is legal, it is therefore not muder. Just like how most people don't consider lethal injection murder. It's still taking someone else's life.

This is an issue of right and wrong, not an issue of legal terminology. Let's not take the focus off the real issue here. Murder in this discussion means "taking another human life."

I agree with you that it's wrong to take life. Don't misunderstand me. This is a grey area though. All things that involve morals are. And I just think that some exceptions should be laid down in place. Like ectopic pregnancies, which could be completely catastrophic for the mother. I jsut don't think the government has the right to tell you that you have to die to see a pregnancy to term.

If a person is mentally retarded to the extent that they cannot reason and think properly for themselves, you will be charged with murder for shooting them on your property. Even MORE certainly if you invited them onto your property. The comparison of a mentally challenged person to a fetus that cannot think or act for itself is a pretty good analogy.

hartsickdiscipl

[QUOTE="Trollsters"]Someone has to stand up for the unborn child's rights because it has no voice.ADF_Game

Perhaps I'd care about what you think if your interest sustained after the birth, pro-life people seem to think a collection of cells is more a child than a aids infected baby crying out for its dead mother over in Africa. Where is the pro-life protest for children's rights to clean food and water, education, shelter and so on?

You know what- you're right. Society does have everything it needs to stop an unwanted pregnancy.. BEFORE the woman gets pregnant! All I'm saying is that once you've decided to take a risk and have sex, if those birth-control measures fail you.. you're accountable for taking care of the child that you've created. Everything in life has a consequence. Sex is no different.. it's just that the consequences have serious long-term repercussions. All I'm asking is that we be accountable for our actions, and have either the self-control to NOT do the thing that causes pregnancy.. or accept the obvious consequences if you take the risk. That's be an adult, that's being accountable. That's a life-lesson, and it applies everywhere. I feel that life is sacred, and anybody that doesn't feel the same way has no right to their own life.hartsickdiscipl

You're talking complete nonsense. You talk about accountability; but your argument is for taking away the means of these women of actually making a decision. And for what? Is there any logic to your argument; or is the invisible man involved? Maybe you just enjoy the power trip of having more authority over a women's body than they do? Is that it? You into domination or something?

I have seen no reason given as to why a women shouldn't be allowed to terminate a pregnancy in the early stages; other than because that's the way you want it to be.

I'm pretty sure if you were to shoot a mentally challenged person, who didn't know any better, for tresspassing on your property, you would be charged for murder.

racer8dan

[QUOTE="Trollsters"][QUOTE="nervmeister"]Speaking of which, during what trimester does the fetus develop a drive to "pursue happiness"?nervmeister

No, I view you as a problem. Society has everything it needs, both legally and technologically, to stop a unwanted pregnancy from becoming a child in the first place. But then people like you come along and tell women that they must ignore everything society has provided; and give birth to a child they do not want.

You're the problem, you are the one sticking your business into other people's lives where it doesn't belong; and demanding that they obey your personal ethics. You're like religion, more interested in people being obedient to your way of thinking than what increases or decreases suffering in the world, the universal measurement of right and wrong.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]I don't know how people get off saying that abortion isn't murder.T_P_O