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#1 SHEATH013
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I've updated the list again, this time with confirmations of games actually being released, and proposed deletions from the list.  If nobody provides evidence of the same game being on both systems for the games with 'deleted' next to the names, I will remove them from the list.  If nobody replies to this thread in the next day or so, I'll consider the whole matter dead.  ;)
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Okay, I'll get this started. Forget this quote/unquote garbage, we'll do this Usenet style with simple text. Don't worry about quoting text, if you know something about a game just post it to the thread and I'll edit the list.

(Edited, list is on front page)
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[QUOTE="falconclan"]not to be mean, but this guide is very messed up. Many of the games are listed, but you dont even know if they were released, or you listed games that shouldnt be on there :/ id put other regions games, but i wouldnt go so far as to put down 2 different games (kid cool/ psycho fox as an example) or unreleased games...



I agree, that's why when I found this list at the link provided (cited to the original author) I posted it here.  Hopefully we can come up with a better list.
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 you also forgot that most euro only games include the SMS 2 in their instructions, which never made its way to america, unfortunatly... im always very tempted to bid on one on ebay but i know it wont work here :cry:
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The SMS 2 did come out in America, I've even seen it complete with box on gamestore shelves.  SoA released it somewhat late, but it did come out.
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(Edited twice for game release confirmations)

> Addams Family
> SMS: Flying Edge [European only]
> NES: Ocean
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> Afterburner
> SMS: Sega
> NES: Tengen

I know this is the same game because I own both. The NES game is almost a joke it's so bad, but it does have the afterburner aspect missing from the SMS game.

>
> Aladdin
> SMS: Sega (1994) [European only]
> NES: Virgin [PAL];
>
>
> Alien 3
> SMS: Acclaim [European only]
> NES: LJN
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> Alien Syndrome
> SMS: Sega
> NES: Tengen

I've played both versions, the NES game is more of a straight port from the Arcade game, gameplay wise, but the color scheme is, well brown and purple and that's about it. The SMS game is actually its own game, with Zelda style scene changes that the arcade game didn't have and totally new levels and enemies. I think the only similarity between the two is the boss fights, which the SMS version wins in hands down, but the bosses bare similarities.

>
> Altered Beast
> SMS: Sega
> NES: Asmik [Famicom]

Two totally different games, the SMS game is a port of the arcade, the NES game has similar levels and a lot of new ones as well, and very little graphical similarities to the arcade or SMS version.

>
> Arch Rivals
> SMS: Acclaim (European only) -per the SMS FAQ on Classicgaming.com
> NES: Acclaim
 
>
> Asterix
> SMS: Sega (1991) [European only]
> NES: Infogrames [PAL]
>
>
> Back to Future 2/Back to Future 3
> SMS: Image Works (BtF2 1990) [European only]
> NES: LJN
>
>
> Batman Returns
> SMS: Sega [European only]
> NES: Konami
>
>
> Battletoads
> SMS: Tec Toy [Brazil only]
> NES: Tradewest

I think that the Brazilian game is Battlemaniacs. Athough there is an original Battletoads game for the Game Gear, so it's possible that the original came out as well.

>
> Bram Stoker's Dracula
> SMS: Sony Imagesoft [European only]
> NES: Sony Imagesoft
>
>
> Bubble Bobble
> SMS: Taito (1991) [European and Brazil only]
> NES: Taito
> COMMENT: The SMS version is known as 'Dragon Maze'
> in Brazil.

I've played both of these, the games are identical except that the SMS game has virtually none of the slowdown and sprite flicker of the NES version, and has more colors in the sprites than the NES version.

>
> California Games
> SMS: Sega
> NES: Milton Bradley
> COMMENT: The SMS version is known as 'Jogos de
> Verao' in Brazil.

Same game, superior on the SMS in every possible way.

>
> Captain Planet
> SMS: Sega
> NES: Mindscape
>
 
> Captain Silver
> SMS: Sega
> NES: Takuma Shoten [Famicom, Japan only]

>
> Chase HQ
> SMS: Sega/Taito [European only]
> NES: Taito [Famicom]
>
>
> Choplifter
> SMS: Sega
> NES: ? [Famicom]
>
> Cliffhanger (Not on SMS, deleted)
>
> Cloud Master
> SMS: Sega
> NES: Taito [Famicom]
>
> Columns (Not on NES, deleted)
>
> Cool Spot
> SMS: Virgin
> NES: Arcadia
>
>
> Cosmic Spacehead
> SMS: Codemasters [European only]
> NES: Linus Spacehead's Cosmic Crusade : Codemasters

>
> Dick Tracy
> SMS: SMS
> NES: Bandai
>
> Die Hard 2 (Not on SMS, deleted)
 
> Double Dragon
> SMS: Sega
> NES: Tradewest

Practically two different games, the NES version was rewritten from the ground up and is only one player, but has a new power up system. The SMS version is very similar to the arcade, has the requisite triple the NES color count, but manages to have quite a bit of sprite flicker and slowdown.

>
> Double Dragon 2 - (Not on SMS, deleted)

>
> Drop Zone
> SMS: Codemasters
> NES: Mindscape [PAL]
>
>
> Duck Tales
> SMS: Titus
> NES: Capcom
>
>
> Fantastic Adventures of Dizzy
> SMS: Codemasters [European only]
> NES: Codemasters
>
>
> Fantasy Zone
> SMS: Sega
> NES: Tengen; Sunsoft [Famicom]
>
>
> Fantasy Zone 2
> SMS: Sega
> NES: Sunsoft [Famicom]
>
>
> Ferrari GP Chalenge (Not on SMS, deleted)

>
> Fire and Ice
> SMS: Sega [Brazil only]
> NES: Tecmo
>
>
> Flintstones
> SMS: Grand Slam [European only]
> NES: Taito
>
>
> Formula One Racing (American name)
> SMS: F1 [European only]
> NES: Seta

The SMS version is a Domark game and the most popular racing game in Europe for the Mega Drive, the Seta game for the NES must be a totally different title.  The Genesis game uses a graphics engine with smooth scaling polygonal roadside objects, which was also used in Kawasaki Superbike, the SMS game appears to be similar to Outrun and HangON on SMS.
 
>
> Gauntlet
> SMS: Sega; US Gold [European only]
> NES: Tengen
>
>
> George Foreman's KO Boxing
> SMS: Flying Edge [European only]
> NES: Acclaim
>
>
> Ghostbusters
> SMS: Sega
> NES: Activision
> COMMENT: These are completely different games.

I don't think they are, unless he's refering to the NES version being broken and the SMS version being just like the computer game. According to online reviews, the NES game is horribly marred in gameplay, making it impossible to finish (much like Paperboy on the NES).

>
> Ghostbusters 2
> SMS: Sega
> NES: Activision
>
>
> Ghosts n Goblins/Ghouls and Ghosts
> SMS: Sega
> NES: Capcom

It's a good comparison, Ghouls N Ghosts on the SMS plays a lot like Ghosts N Goblins does, and is a decent demonstration of what Ghosts N Goblins would have looked like on the SMS.

>
> Global Gladiators/M.C. Kids
> SMS: Sega; Virgin [European only]
> NES: Virgin
>
>
> Golgo 13
> SG-1000: Sega (1984)
> NES: Vic Tokai
>
>
> Heroes of the Lance
> SMS: US Gold (1991) [European only]
> NES: FCI
>
>
> Home Alone
> SMS: Sega [European only]
> NES: T*HQ
>
>
> Hook
> SMS: Sony Imagesoft [European only]
> NES: Sony Imagesoft
>
>
> Impossible Mission 2
> SMS: Epyx [European and Canadian only]
> NES: SEI; AVE; HES
>
>
> Incredible Crash Dummies, The
> SMS: Flying Edge [European only]
> NES: LJN
>
>
> Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
> SMS: US Gold (1990) [European only]
> NES: Taito; UBI Soft
>
>
> James Bond 007 Duel
> SMS: Domark [European only]
> NES: Tengen (unreleased)
>
>
> Jungle Book
> SMS: Virgin [European only]
> NES: Virgin
>
>
> Jurassic Park
> SMS: Sega (1993) [European only]
> NES: Ocean
>
>
> Kid Kool/Psycho Fox (Same developer, not the same game, deleted)
>
> King's Quest (NES version is KQ5, not the first one, deleted)

> Klax
> SMS: Tengen [European only]
> NES: Tengen
>
> Krustys Fun House
> SMS: Flying Edge [European only]
> NES: Acclaim
>
>
> Lemmings
> SMS: Sega [European only]
> NES: Sunsoft
>
>
> Lion King
> SMS: Virgin [European only]
> NES: Virgin [PAL]
>
>
> Little Mermaid
> SMS: Tec Toy [Brazil only]
> NES: Capcom
>
>
> Marble Madness
> SMS: US Gold [European only]
> NES: Milton Bradley
>
>
> Micro Machines
> SMS: Codemasters [European only]
> NES: Codemasters
>
>
> Mighty Bombjack
> SG-1000: Tehkan (reprogrammed by Sega 1985)
> NES: Tecmo
>
>
> Monopoly
> SMS: Sega
> NES: Parker Bros.

I've played both versions, both versions are great as far as I can tell. One possible flaw of the SMS version is that if you have multiple controllers hooked up you can actually play for other players using your controller, this includes CPU players. So, playing with only one controller and "hot seating" is the best way to play this version.

>
> Mortal Kombat
> SMS: Acclaim [European only]
> NES: Several pirate versions
>
>
> Ms Pacman
> SMS: Tengen [European only]
> NES: Tengen; Namco
>
>
> New Zealand Story/Kiwi Kraze
> SMS: Tecmagik
> NES: Taito
>
>
> Ninja Gaiden
> SMS: Tecmo (Reprogrammed by Sega 1992) [European
> only]
> NES: Tecmo

I've played the SMS Ninja Gaiden for quite a bit, it's awesome, but almost qualifies as its own game because of serious level design and gameplay timing changes.

>
> Operation Wolf
> SMS: Taito [European only]
> NES: Taito

Rambo III for the SMS is virtually identical to Operation Wolf, and did come out in the US.

>
> Pacmania
> SMS: Tecmagik [UK only]
> NES: Tengen
>
>
> Paperboy
> SMS: Sega; US Gold
> NES: Mindscape

As mentioned earlier, the NES game is broken in several ways, popular though it may be. I have not played the SMS release to compare on this one.

>
> Phantasy Star (Only on SMS, Deleted)

>
> Prince of Persia
> SMS: Domark [European only]
> NES: Virgin

The SMS version is the superior version by a longshot.

>
> Pro Wrestling (To be deleted, totally different games)
> SMS: Sega
> NES: Nintendo

And the SMS version totally stinks, NES Pro Wrestling is the first in the later redubbed "Fire Pro Wrestling" series, and it's gameplay is totally different than the slap fighting of the SMS game.

>
> Rainbow Islands
> SMS: Sega [European only]
> NES: Taito
>
>
> Rambo
> SMS: Sega
> NES: Acclaim

Rambo First Blood Part II is Secret Commando in Europe, and bares serious resemblence to Ikari Warriors, without the tanks.

>
> Rampage
> SMS: Activision; Sega
> NES: Data East

Same game, and by far superior on the SMS.

>
>
> Rampart
> SMS: Tengen (1991) [European only]
> NES: Jaleco

Same game and superior on the SMS.

>
> Ren & Stimpy
> SMS: TecToy [Brazil only]
> NES: T*HQ
>
>
> Renegade
> SMS: Taito and Technos Japan (1993) [European only]
> NES: Taito

The TG16 version is the way to go on this one, but the SMS is the runner up and came out a lot earlier.

>
> Robin Hood
> SMS: Virgin
> NES: Virgin
>
>
> Robocop 3
> SMS: Ocean (1993) [European only]
> NES: Ocean
>
>
> Robocop vs Terminator
> SMS: Sega; Virgin [European only]
> NES: Virgin [Prototype]
>
>
> Rygar
> SMS: Tecmo [Japan only]
> NES: Tecmo
> COMMENT: The SMS version is pretty difficult to find
> as it was released as a silver cartridge in Japan. It is almost identical
> to the arcade version. The NES version is not like the SMS version, as it
> is more of an adventure-style game.

This guy doesn't describe genres very well. Rygar for the NES was altered to lengthen gameplay time, the SMS game is a straight port of the arcade for the most part.

>
> Shinobi
> SMS: Sega
> NES: Tengen

NES Shinobi is a port of the SMS game and has a gameplay flaw which ruins the game, in which your character sprite can get stuck in enemy sprites and you will simply never bounce away from them. Add to that the vastly inferior graphics of the NES version, and I'd say don't even bother with it, it's joke. SMS and PC-Engine Shinobi are the best home versions.

http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/Shinobimain.htm

>
> Simpson's: Bart vs the Space Mutants
> SMS: Flying Edge [European only]
> NES: Acclaim
>
>
> Simpson's: Bart vs the World
> SMS: Flying Edge [European only]
> NES: Acclaim
>
>
> Smash TV
> SMS: Flying Edge [European only]
> NES: Acclaim
>
>
> Smurfs, The
> SMS: Infogrames [European only]
> NES: Infogrames
>
>
> Solomon's Key
> SMS: Tecmo (1988) [Japan only]
> NES: Tecmo
>
>
> Sonic the Hedgehog (Only on SMS, deleted)

>
> Space Harrier
> SMS: Sega
> NES: Takara [Famicom]

The NES game is decent but everything is a fourth the size and detail of the SMS game.

>
> Spidrman: Return of the Sinister Six
> SMS: Flying Edge [European only]
> NES: LJN
>
>
> Spy vs Spy
> SMS: Sega (1986) [European only]
> NES: Kemco

I've played both versions, and it felt like the SMS game was missing something gameplay wise, but I never figured out what.

>
> Star Wars
> SMS: US Gold; Lucasarts [European only]
> NES: JVC
>
>
> Strider
> SMS: Sega
> NES: Capcom

Totally different games, the NES game has nothing to do with the Arcade game, the SMS game is a port of the Arcade title.

>
> Super Kick Off
> SMS: US Gold [European only]
> NES: ? [PAL]
>
>
> Super Off Road
> SMS: Sega [European only]
> NES: Tradewest
>
>
> Superman
> SMS: Virgin [European only]
> NES: Kemco

The SMS game is a port of the Genesis Superman title by Sunsoft.

>
> T2: Judgement Day
> SMS: Acclaim [European only]
> NES: LJN
>
>
> Tecmo World Soccer '93
> SMS: Sega/Tecmo [European only]
> NES: Tecmo
>
>
> Terminator
> SMS: Virgin [European only]
> NES: Mindscape
>
>
> Tom and Jerry
> SMS: Sega [European only]
> NES: Hi-Tech Expressions
>
>
> Total Recall (Not on SMS, deleted)

>
> Ultima IV
> SMS: Sega
> NES: FCI
> COMMENT: Will have to find out which version of
> Ultima on the NES matches the SMS version...I believe it is Quest of the
> Avatar...will look into this.

I don't believe that the SMS game corrosponds to any NES version except in name.

>
> Where in Time is Carmen San Diego?
> SMS: ?
> NES: Konami
> COMMENT: The SMS version is 'Where in the World is
> Carmen San Diego?' and was released in the USA and Brazil.
>
>
> Winter Games
> SMS: Epyx [European only]
> NES: Acclaim
>
>
> Wonderboy/Adventure Island
> SMS: Sega
> NES: Hudson

They are the same game, Sega licensed Adventure Island from Hudson and changed it to Wonderboy to avoid Nintendo's illegal licencing contract.

>
> World Games
> SMS: Epyx (1986) [European only]
> NES: Milton Bradley
>
>
> WWF Steel Cage Challenge
> SMS: Flying Edge [European and Brazil only]
> NES: LJN
>
>
> Ys Vanished Omens
> SMS: Sega
> NES: Victor Interactive (Titled 'Ys') [Famicom]
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I'd like to thank my wallet, for all of those wonderful games it's given me.... and, and my lovely wife for freely allowing my wallet to get me all those wonderful games... and...... ;)
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My vote goes for gmsnpr, for being candid, and that getting him labeled the "nutjob of the week" for calling gamespot on its bias against all things old school.
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Below I've got two shots, one of my entertainment center, and another partial of my entertainment cabinet. They aren't great shots, but the way my cabinet works, there's no way to show everything in one shot. So, the link below has the rest of the pics, with close ups so you can read the labels.

www.gamepilgrimage.com






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Here we go. 56k warning. I'll have to post these pictures in sections due to size restrictions.

Some loose games

I ran out of film before I finished the loose games or got to the system boxes. Later I will post better pics of the loose games, some pics of boxed systems and some other interesting things.gmsnpr


Awesome man, I wouldn't have expected that you could have gotten all of those games into such a small amount of space. I had figured there'd just be games everywhere in multiple rooms.
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[QUOTE="SHEATH013"][
I have to chime in and agree with this post. If I had a ton of disposable income, I *might* choose to buy more games, but as it is I buy everything I want at_the_time, in order to play and enjoy on its own. There is no "glory" in amassing a huge number of games, because if you do it just for the sake of numbers, you're actually lower than a game store because you aren't even operating at a profit! Figure out what kinds of games you like, and buy what you'll play throughout the years. Don't buy because of marketing or a desire to have superior numbers in a collection. Both ideas are equally flawed.
waflerevolution





hey, I'm so offended........ I do enjoy my games, if I didn't buy ones I've never heard of or never had intrest in then how would I know if I wouldn't enjoy them? I actually don't own many games I don't enjoy (there are about 4, I even traded one I didn't to 8-bit dispite not having a double)

why would you take the time to single me out when I have the 4th largest collection? it goes 8-bit, jeff, gmsnpr, me .

just seems a little unfair....

I didn't intend to single anybody out, I wasn't even aiming the discussion at any specific individuals. All I'm saying is that I think buying for the sake of buying has got nothing to with gaming, unless those are games you will actually play from time to time. I see no point in buying a game that I'd never play.