yeah the Government is corrupt, but what about the lives overseas, what about the people who defend this country, they are in more danger because of Assange and Wikileaks, don't you care about waht will happen to them or are you that niave?jediknight52501
Of course i care about them, i have always said that the best way to defend our troops is for them to COME HOME. the U.S government has even prohibited any soldier from veiwing content from Wikileaks, i wonder why, actaully i'm pretty certain its because the troops would feel betrayed and retaliate if they knew the truth as to why they are actually fighting in the wars.
Its incredible how you even acknowledge that the government is corrupt, yet at the same time won't acknowledge that the tropps are in fact in danger because of the what the government does.
[QUOTE="jediknight52501"][QUOTE="GTA_fan999"]Rape charges are the least of this creep's worries now. He has put the lives of every American and countless others around the world in danger. The real reason people support him is because they want to see more attack on the United States, much like on 9/11. Now is the time to draw lines in the sand and stand on the side of terrorism (Assange) or freedom (United States).GTA_fan999
see i am starting to think Wikileaks needs to be shut down, i had family serve in the Military and seeing them in danger is never a good thing, maybe he needs to spend a few years in jail or maybe he should go to where the real dnager is, The Middle East and Korea. People that don't want it shut down are hoping enough information gets out so to make US security more vulnerable to foreign attacks. If you ever talk to someone that supports Wikileaks, be assured that this is their main motivation for supporting Julian Assange.I support Assange because he is exposing the corruption in the U.S government and the people have the right to know, seeing as you support the government so much and not the people, clearly you must be Anti-American, just like the terrorists. :roll:
[QUOTE="l4dak47"] Gay marriage is legal in some states. It takes time, but we're getting there. However, healthcare is subjective, many don't consider it a right in the U.S., and healthcare is not really free, it's paid through taxes. l4dak47
Yes yes DADT we are getting there, gay marriage we are getting there. Patriot Act, the president was just kidding. TSA getting my junk touched is hot. Out of Iraq by 2010 wait lol, 2014. Anything else? You know, part of freedom in the U.S is being able to voice your opnions. It also means that you can't just shove your opinions down the throats of the general population. Some states don't want gay marriage, they vote and if it fails, it fails. Unfortunate, yes, but that's how voting works. Also, Tsa does not force you to be hand-patted unless they have suspsions that you have something on you that you shouldn't have. Unless you support just leting people go on planes will-nilly? Once again, how does the Iraq war=loss of freedoms? Patriot act is really the only valid point you have. However, people did vote Obama on the premises that he was going to repeal the act, he failed to do his job, that's okay, we'll just vote him out next election. But just the simple act that people voted for a man that promised to repeal the act speaks volumes about the population. You asked for clear cut examples of countries that are more free, i listed Spain as one amongst others that i won't mention, simple and straight to the point, your justifications for the TSA, gay marriage etc is better left for another debate which unfortunately i have no time for, allthough we have opposite thoughts, atleast i can say that i had fun :)
[QUOTE="l4dak47"] Wat? No information has been released that clearly shows that the U.S government is trying to bring down democracy. Also, Assange is all about transparency (supposedly), so why only focus on the U.S, when there are several other nations that need to be exposed, more so than the U.S. l4dak47
The fact that the government is against wikileaks for being transparent and executing their right to free speech is essentially an attack on democracy one way or another. I don't know why Assange is focusing mainly on the U.S..ask him? Or maybee other countries know how to keep their secret stuff better kept, who knows. The reason the U.S. is aganist Assange is becuase he's releasing information that potentially harms relations and even lives. That's a legitimate concern. However, other than that, they haven't directly censored the website. Which says alot about how far the U.S governent is willing to follow the constitution. You can bet your ass that if Asange was releasing information about Russia, or Israel, he'd be dead and the website shut down immediately. The reason the Government is against Assange is because they have been caught red handed doing illegal **** and is afraid of retaliation by the people.
[QUOTE="l4dak47"] One more thing. No country can be truly free. That is impossible. Also, please show me clear cut examples of those countries having more freedoms then us. l4dak47
I agree, no country can truly be free, i wasn't trying to deny that. I'll give you one example of a country, in Spain, yes..Spain, gays and lesbians can get married. aww ok i'll give you another example, in that same country, health care..is free. :oops: Gay marriage is legal in some states. It takes time, but we're getting there. However, healthcare is subjective, many don't consider it a right in the U.S., and healthcare is not really free, it's paid through taxes. Yes yes DADT we are getting there, gay marriage we are getting there. Patriot Act, the president was just kidding. TSA getting my junk touched is hot. Out of Iraq by 2010 wait lol, 2014. Anything else?
[QUOTE="l4dak47"] The tyranny of the government? Are you f****** serious? If you consider the U.S. government a tyranny, then I don't know what to say to you. The U.S. is one of the best countries on Earth in terms of freedom and rights. rcafan
:lol: oh i'm not serious but..your are ******* serious? seriously? Patriot act, TSA, 2 wars, Don't ask don't tell..free? the hell :| and many other conturies won't allow for marriage for gay people so don't sit there when they us is trying to do something already. but the republicans don't want it pass. you that bad?Excuse me, what?
rebubliclowns and pansycrats, one side will take out their penis while the other side drops their pants.
[QUOTE="l4dak47"] Assange is not focusing on other nations. Yes, other countries have been mentioned indirectly. However, The main target for Assange is clearly the U.S., and that's just idiotic. l4dak47
Why is it idiotic? maybee the guy is limited by the information that is given to him, maybee the guy has a grudge, what really matters though is not Assange, but the compromising info, instead of asking, what does Assange have against the U.S government, i'll be asking what does the U.S government (not people) have against democracy? Wat? No information has been released that clearly shows that the U.S government is trying to bring down democracy. Also, Assange is all about transparency (supposedly), so why only focus on the U.S, when there are several other nations that need to be exposed, more so than the U.S. The fact that the government is against wikileaks for being transparent and executing their right to free speech is essentially an attack on democracy one way or another. I don't know why Assange is focusing mainly on the U.S..ask him? Or maybee other countries know how to keep their secret stuff better kept, who knows.
[QUOTE="l4dak47"] First of all, DADT is getting repaealed (finally, too), and second of all didn't Obama promise to elminate the Patriot act. Also, how exactly is 2 wars elminating rights and freedoms? Finally, all the rights and freedoms mentioned in the Constuition, for the most part, has been upheld for more than 200 years. Pretty damn impressive. If you think the U.S. is bad, you need to get a reality check. Go look at the real bad countries, Iran, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, China, etc. Why is Assange not focusing on these guys? l4dak47
Yes, finally its being repealed (lets wait until its over, if ever, first ok?) second, yes he promised but instead did the complete opposite, third, 2 wars = massive debt = Americans gotta pay for it = less freedom, you can compare the US to "real bad countrires" all you want, but try and compare the US to the actual MEANING of the word "free country" instead of comparing it to "lesser free'er" countries, because that argument is damn terrible. We are more free because that country is less free, no, just no.
Also, Assange is focusing on other countries, maybee you too need to inform yourself more.
One more thing. No country can be truly free. That is impossible. Also, please show me clear cut examples of those countries having more freedoms then us. I agree, no country can truly be free, i wasn't trying to deny that. I'll give you one example of a country, in Spain, yes..Spain, gays and lesbians can get married. aww ok i'll give you another example, in that same country, health care..is free. :oops:
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