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#1 Jacanuk
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@mattbbpl said:
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So how is Trump's deficit compared to Obama these days?

Still about 9.7 trillion less. But you can´t really compare the two that way.

Obama put a lot of expensive programs in action which still are running.

Please name them and their costs.

ACA around 600-700 billion

ARRA around a trillion

Tax Cuts and no cut to mandatory programs which was instead increased.

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@horgen said:
@Jacanuk said:
@horgen said:

So how is Trump's deficit compared to Obama these days?

Still about 9.7 trillion less. But you can´t really compare the two that way.

Obama put a lot of expensive programs in action which still are running.

One inherited an economy in recession, the other a booming economy. You're right. Can't compare the two.

Now if you bothered to actually read my question, I wasn't asking how much Trump had left to reach Obamas level of adding debt, that would be silly. Comparing someone who hasn't finished 2 years in the White House compared to one who was there for 8. I wonder how the forecast for this fiscal year is. How it was for last year.

However if you so desperately have to spin it so that Obama looks as bad possible, don't bother to answer.

Oh and hey, found this. It's only estimated values made before Trump took office. Estimated a total of 40 trillion $ in debt with Trump's tax plan by 2026. Suddenly the 10 trillions Obama added wasn't so much. :P

Was not trying to spin anything. Merely pointing out that the question was like comparing apples and oranges.

Obama had his and while he did add more than the 6 previous presidents, asking if Trump´s is worse or better than Obama´s is the wrong question.

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#3 Jacanuk
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@horgen said:

So how is Trump's deficit compared to Obama these days?

Still about 9.7 trillion less. But you can´t really compare the two that way.

Obama put a lot of expensive programs in action which still are running.

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@nintendoboy16 said:

The Kavanaugh situation is so bad, the ACLU is breaking their code.

So the far-leftist ACLU who is of course never "political" comes out against someone before the FBI investigation is done.

Well, no surprise there.

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@MirkoS77 said:
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Never ignore a reply you made, did not see you made a reply and would not ignore a sensible debate.

And I accept and take any criticism of Trump to heart when it´s based on sensible data. Which is not a common thing, most of what is brought forward on these boards and on social media is nothing but pure hatred or based on nonsense. Also, I never claimed I am a bastion of objectivity, but compared to some of your posts and 100% of others on this board, I am definitely not as partisan.

As to the relative painless nomination of Gorsuch, there is a key difference here, He was not replacing Kennedy but Scalia and would not as the left has put it "destroy America for women for decades because he is clearly unable to deal with the law" and is pure evil as a senator said. The stakes are much much higher for the left. As to the FBI investigation, well I already said before Flake came out with his condition that I would be for an investigation, so don´t put this on Trump saying it much later. I welcome an FBI investigation when there is a clear deadline, this will ensure that the Democrats can´t stall this until 2021.

Also, do you have kids? do you have two kids at the same age as Kavanaugh? Because his reacting is actually far less than I would have done if my family had received death threats and also that my kids would forever be known as the "rapists daughters" just look at LJS´s and Zaryia's post, he is already convicted and judged to be guilty. His life is destroyed, he will never teach again at any university in America, he will never coach anyone and he will be seen as the judge who got away with rape. No matter where he goes.

So you may not like how his demeanour was but considering what he, if he is falsely accused, has lost. I am surprised at how calm he was.

Don't know how you could've missed my post, but alright I'll take your word for it. But c'mon, even you are capable of seeing that what you see as sensible data due to your hatred of Democrats and the Left, others don't due to their hatred of Trump, Republicans, and the Right. Different sides of the same coin, and of equal merit.

With every single one of my posts pointing out my doubts about Kavanaugh's behavior being suitable for the bench, someone attempts to segue me back into a debate about whether he's guilty. I have made it clear more than once that his guilt or innocence is irrelevant to me as it is unproven, and so this whole thread is all partisan bickering. I'm operating on what I see....."sensible" data. That being, his testimony in helping me ascertain whether I think Kavanaugh's reaction, which while completely understandable from an individual's, father's, and husband's perspective, is not befitting of a man to be in the position he is in consideration for.

Do you believe that in testifying as he did, Kavanaugh lost anything more in the eyes of those who already disbelieve him by belligerently shouting the proclamations of his innocence as opposed to if he didn't? No, and I don't think he gained any favor to those were undecided until then either. I was one, until I watched him. And what did I see? Trump. Parroting the same vindictive attitude and the same rhetoric. The only thing his testimony accomplished was to sow doubt in me not only about how he deals with his emotions when he is held to the fire, but that he is loyal to Trump and will be a partisan operative in a job demanding impartial adherence to the law. He did not paint himself in a bipartisan light. His mention of the Democrats still being bitter about the election and the mention of revenge by the Clintons both not only came off as extremely childish, they reeked of mentoring by Trump. And even if Trump didn't, those statements should be raising immediate red flags on both sides of the aisle. If you disagree, then I don't believe I'm the one who's being more partisan here.

@vl4d_l3nin: Dems are scared of the monster they have created. If they would've went along with the vote, we'd have a pretty moderate, non-textual judge who firmly believed in legal precedent, so he probably wouldn't have touched Roe v. Wade with a ten foot pole. Now that dems have drawn blood by dragging his name through the mud, he's a full on partisan hack, and dems have no one to blame but themselves.

And that's kind of the point, isn't it? If his feathers can be so ruffled by Democrats not going along with the vote, so much so that he's willing to abandon legal precedents and the like, why should he be given this job? Are you saying that Democrats must agree with him if they wish for the law to be interpreted and executed fairly, and if they don't, they deserve what they get? Even if these claims against him are false, this is an issue much, MUCH bigger than him.

@SUD123456: appreciate that, thanks.

Ya, not sure how I missed it since you are not one of the regular who just troll. And I don´t have a problem with admitting that I am not a fan of the Democrats or the left, but at the same time, they are also not making it easy to take them seriously.

Also as to your pointing out his behaviour and it gets to be about his guilt/innocence, well that is because they are two sides of the same coin and you can´t really take the first without at least dealing with the accusations as well. But I see your point and I do agree that some of his opening statement was clearly not good, especially the political bias against the Democrats, that was not needed. But again consider the previous hearings and all the hours where he was cool as ice and did fairly well and that we were at a point where he had been roasting on the public court's fire for over a week.

I think that his testimony had some errors but I am also 100% sure that if he had been unemotional, he would have lost the crowd he was trying to speak to because he was not trying to speak to the Democrats or the Republicans, they had already made up their mind. He was speaking to the 4 senators who are on the deciding bench and the independents out there. But we can agree that it was like seeing Trump with tears and that is one of the things I noticed about Kavanaugh, he is clearly not an alpha and seems to follow the leader which in this case is Trump. So I do share some of your concerns but I am also sure considering that he has been on the second highest court for years, have been part of Starks team and have glowing recommendations from the ABA and pretty much everyone who knows him or have worked with him. That he is able to weigh the evidence without bias, even if it comes to Trump coming in front of the Supreme court.

So while I have concerns, I do not see a problem with him being confirmed.

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@zaryia: I think you misunderstood that person's post.

He was not saying that she was BSíng in the sense of making up things, but in the sense that she herself has the education and knowledge to fake the "science"

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@MirkoS77 said:
@Jacanuk said:

Well, then try to not let your hate for Trump cloud your opinion of a supreme court nominee just because he is nominated by Trump.

Also yes I support Kavanaugh and until clear evidence has been brought forward I will go by innocent until proven guilty, especially when the left has demonized and already said that this is the most important nominee in the world to stop. And Senator Feinstein has kept this from the process for months without bringing it forward so a proper investigation can be made.

So no I do not support this nominee regardless, so if next week the FBI comes forward with evidence that Ford is telling the truth, that the people who she said was there, were simply mistaken and that Kavanaugh actually did it, then I will stand by the burn him on the stake. Problem is that you and others will no matter what still see him as guilty.

First you ignore my reply to you in the other thread asking you on what basis you accept criticism of Trump when you can just write off what you find inconvenient as Trump Derangement Syndrome, then you predictably go on to do exactly that to my above post. No wonder you ignored my question, because to address it with any honesty would rob you of the ability to resort to such an intellectually lazy tactic. And further, don't pretend you are some bastion of objectivity and impartiality in your positions and that your opinions are any more valid because you're not filled with hate, you hate the Left and Democrats just as much as you accuse them of hating Trump. You're deranged just like the rest of us.

I don't hate or oppose Kavanaugh simply because Trump chose him. I don't have opposition to Gorsuch for example, who Trump also picked, and as I said, I held no particular feelings towards Kavanaugh until I saw him testify. And IIRC, I thought you stated in an above post he has been investigated by the FBI six times so why does he need to be now, and now you're talking about a "proper" investigation when Trump says one will be undertaken? But you STILL miss my point, so let me shout this as apparently it's the method that you and others find so effective:

THIS ISN'T ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT KAVANAUGH IS GUILTY OR NOT. IT IS ABOUT HOW HE CONDUCTED HIMSELF TOWARDS BOTH A PERSONAL AND PARTISAN MATTER, AND MY CONCERN IN HOW THAT WILL TRANSLATE TO HIS CONDUCT ON THE BENCH.

Never ignore a reply you made, did not see you made a reply and would not ignore a sensible debate.

And I accept and take any criticism of Trump to heart when it´s based on sensible data. Which is not a common thing, most of what is brought forward on these boards and on social media is nothing but pure hatred or based on nonsense. Also, I never claimed I am a bastion of objectivity, but compared to some of your posts and 100% of others on this board, I am definitely not as partisan.

As to the relative painless nomination of Gorsuch, there is a key difference here, He was not replacing Kennedy but Scalia and would not as the left has put it "destroy America for women for decades because he is clearly unable to deal with the law" and is pure evil as a senator said. The stakes are much much higher for the left. As to the FBI investigation, well I already said before Flake came out with his condition that I would be for an investigation, so don´t put this on Trump saying it much later. I welcome an FBI investigation when there is a clear deadline, this will ensure that the Democrats can´t stall this until 2021.

Also, do you have kids? do you have two kids at the same age as Kavanaugh? Because his reacting is actually far less than I would have done if my family had received death threats and also that my kids would forever be known as the "rapists daughters" just look at LJS´s and Zaryia's post, he is already convicted and judged to be guilty. His life is destroyed, he will never teach again at any university in America, he will never coach anyone and he will be seen as the judge who got away with rape. No matter where he goes.

So you may not like how his demeanour was but considering what he, if he is falsely accused, has lost. I am surprised at how calm he was.

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@LJS9502_basic said:

Once again an exchange is over your head. Do you not tire of making a fool of yourself?

Nice deflection.

Again based on what is he guilty.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@n64dd said:

@LJS9502_basic: They don’t remember proof?

Got it!

Oh so memory is proof?

Got it.

Your boy is guilty.

Based on what? you just said that memory is not proof.

But i think everyone on this board can see the partisan shit so you think he is guilty because it fits with your hate for the Republicans.

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@MirkoS77 said:

I'm not on the Left, I repudiate what they stand for. I would agree that they would never be satisfied, just as much as those who support Trump would never be. Just admit that you guys who support Kavanaugh have already absolved him simply because that fits your already established narrative and agenda. You formed your conclusion long before Kavanaugh even took the chair at the hearing. Easy, isn't it?

But it's not surprising to me that you and all others standing in Kavanaugh's defense are completely missing my point. This is he said/she said, I don't know the truth and neither do you. But what I do know is what I see of a man who is to possibly be a Supreme Court judge. If you see his personal rantings and partisan ravings as personal qualities you wish to have (as I recall in the past you preached to me about how only the law is relevant and not about feelings.....or perhaps that was Solar) as the final say of our judicial process, go right ahead. But who am I kidding? Of course you do.....it fits your agenda.

Well, then try to not let your hate for Trump cloud your opinion of a supreme court nominee just because he is nominated by Trump.

Also yes I support Kavanaugh and until clear evidence has been brought forward I will go by innocent until proven guilty, especially when the left has demonized and already said that this is the most important nominee in the world to stop. And Senator Feinstein has kept this from the process for months without bringing it forward so a proper investigation can be made.

So no I do not support this nominee regardless, so if next week the FBI comes forward with evidence that Ford is telling the truth, that the people who she said was there, were simply mistaken and that Kavanaugh actually did it, then I will stand by the burn him on the stake. Problem is that you and others will no matter what still see him as guilty.