Your gains from a 5900 to 5800x3d will vary depending on what you play, resolution/settings,what you have running in the background and how old and cluttered the windows install is etc. Those extra cores and threads do really help with multitasking and 1% lows in well multi threaded games.

I'm planning on upgrading to AM5 myself from my own 5900x. Thinking on grabbing the another *900 series and then wait for Zen 6 3d when they do release as the last upgrade for AM5 platform. My brother will be getting a sizable CPU upgrade when I do upgrade my cpu this year. Going from a Ryzen 5 1600AF(ie 2600) to a 5900x...

I think Arrow Lake is going to have some growing pains with it removing Hyper threading, and relying on pairing efficiency cores to basically act like HT for the normal performance cores. Intel will need some serious efficient coordination skills in hardware and windows scheduling to properly manage and avoid performance issues with programs and games.

Yea, AMD isnt updating the drivers anymore for games for the Ol' 580. Also see if you can find a deal on used gpu's in your area too. At least look for a RTX 2070/ RX 6600XT or better.

He could pick up a rtx 3060 12gb or a rx 6700 10gb for $280.

@ghosts4ever: What are your PC specs?

As long as you have a 3rd zen Ryzen 3600+ or Intel i7 8700 or better you should be ok on the cpu front. Now if you have Ryzen 2000 series on a b450/x470 board you can upgrade to a Ryzen 5700 fairly cheap. Not knowing your gpu neither is not helping what would be a good upgrade for you.

@thehig1: ram would be more of an issue with the older cpu and motherboard chipsets. Flashing the bios would set to the ram settings to defaults,which would actually help the cpus. Have you tried booting the system and looking at the ez debug led indicator on the motherboard? any lights cycle or get stuck on cpu, ram vga? Have you tried pulling the cmos battery out of the motherboard for a good 10 minutes after a bios flash?

You could also try thoroughly douse the cpu socket with 90%+ isopropyl alcohol and blow out the socket making sure all contacts are clean as well. But you could try use using the bios flash back through rear usb without any cpu in the socket. Download and place the first bios released version that supports 5800x3d.

Try to never use beta or latest bios, they can be finicky. I would just try the bios (7C91vA9) the one dated 2022-03-23, that adds first original 5800x3d support. Also I think that board will update the bios without a cpu in it was well.

The game does not lilke intel's big core little core design you need to disable the e-cores when you want to play this game to maximize stability.

where does it leave the 5900x owners? just royally screwed eh? lol

There's always a battle between price, power/cooling requirements. Sony will not create a console to lose money with every unit sold, minimum is to break even. Right there will limit what they will throw in it. Next the one rumored spec saying 20gb GDDR6X with 780gb/s 320bit is bull crap, cause 320bit bus with 20Gbp/s GDDR6 gets 800GB/s.

Now a 20 TFLOP based RDNA 3 is possible, that puts the gpu's compute in the range of RX 7600 which can do 21 TFLOPS. What brings down RX 7600 is all slimming down AMD did, memory bandwidth, RT cores, etc. So if Sony beefs up memory and RT etc it will do well enough to be a sub 200w gpu that could be quite a bit faster than PS5 especially with RT.

Now on to using Zen 4 is doubtful IMO, I think what they will do is keep the Zen 2 but increase clock rates a bit higher and increase the onboard L3 cache. Because in PS5 its Zen 2 with only 8mb of L3. If they increase that 32 or even 64mb would increase its performance quite a bit.