Bioshock's violence towards children

This is totally ridiculous! I really can't take people seriously when they start to dish games because of violence. Just because the Little Sisters LOOKS like little girl, they really aren't baby humans anymore. It's people like you who threatens the gaming industry's freedom. Games are art, just like music and movies are, yes they're interactive, but because you do something in a game, doesn't mean you'd do it in the real life. It's totally absurd that Manhunt 2 has been banned, Resident Evil 5 has been claimed to be a rascists game, and that Condemned 2 has been made more "gentle". Damnit.

STOP THIS THREAD.

LITTLE SISTERS ARE NOT, i repeat: NOT CHILDREN. this thread FAILS.

Yeah this thread needs to be locked and disposed of as fast as possible. Really, im tired of seeing it.

[QUOTE="RobbieH1234"][QUOTE="BounceDK"][QUOTE="REforever101"]

[QUOTE="Trickshot771"]You don't actually get to see your guy KILL the kid, and you can't shoot the kid either because they'll heal themselves. The game isn't about killing kids, you don't even have to do it. Get over yourself.mg25lax

dude that sucks, i actually wanted to bash the kids brains in.....

no matter how sick it sounds, same for me

I add Kudos to our sick lil way for entertaiment ;)

*I wanted to smash that lil girl in the demo, but I was to creeped out from all the noises.

Little Sister

Little Girl

WHAT is so hard to distinguish between the two?

Little Sister

Little Girl

WHAT is so hard to distinguish between the two?

Ghost_Warrior

I see you crying about this game yet I dont see you crying about the suffering.You see his sons covered with blood. Its just a game anyway. If you take this to the heart and soul maybe you should cry about something else. There's tons of poor kids out there dying everyday does that make you sick? Or do you have to control it over a video game that looks pretty damn good?

I think i've made my point.

[QUOTE="Ghost_Warrior"]

Little Sister

Little Girl

WHAT is so hard to distinguish between the two?

skrat_01

yeah I have and I thought it was awesome.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="Ghost_Warrior"]

Little Sister

Little Girl

WHAT is so hard to distinguish between the two?

Ghost_Warrior

yeah I have and I thought it was awesome.

The Little Sisters arent human, but throught the game you hear opposing opinions on whether or not you should 'kill' them.

We heard Atlas's opinion at the start ;)

There is a line being crossed here and it does not end here. At the moment games are in a kind of free zone with regard to content. The devs who are pretty young them selves for the most part are testing the boarders of what will be accepted. I have played MMO games for years now and I know that many players of these games are not children. I have also watch over time as the adults who play seem to be learning from the children rather than the other way around. I've experienced as others have some very rude and even abusive behavior from other players who like to say "its just a game".

Now take that to the view of npc characters and it goes further. The idea that anything is ok, now matter how horrible because its an npc and not real. Well its true they are not real but the ideas they represent are. I am not aware of popular movies or other current games that go this far. With that in mind perhaps we should consider how far the line can be pushed before the freedoms currently enjoyed by gamers becomes a more serious target by lawmakers. I've come across similar discussions in more innocent sounding games that are in development and its disturbing that there is an appetite for forbidden violence among patrons of gaming. In other words people on game forums are asking for children to kill.

Killing children is not ok. As part of a story line I can see it being represented but to offer players the option to behave like psychopaths is going to just hurt the industry in the long run.

This topic blows!!!

Lock this thread please before I take my frustrations out on REAL little girls.

Worse has been shown in films.

Who are you to stop them from creating such a fantastic game atmosphere? Without the ltitle sisters and big daddys it wouldn't be half as good as it is. It's not like they threw in children thinking NOW YOU CAN STAB KIDS, OMG AT LAST HAHAH it was a vital part to the extremely well written and presented story.

Oh so lame..get over it.

Whats the difference between "harvesting" a little sister and blowing people up with shotguns?

For those individuals who feel Bioshock is crossing the line...

I strongly suggest renting Bioshock to play it for yourselves to see what is or isn't actually happening in the game where the little sisters are concerned. Otherwise, please don't come to the forums preaching about that which you clearly seem to know nothing of.

This topic is about as stupid as the "Resident Evil is racist" threads. Regardless of what studies you claim to have read, I personally fail to see how exactly this "game" will affect me and my choices made in real life. I am 36 years old and I think I have seen enough horror movies, with much worse content then any game I have ever played, and yet I have grown up perfectly sane.(at least, I think I am sane but they keep telling me I'm not and they refuse to let me out of my padded room. Oddly, they keep giving me these awesome games to keep me entertained, so all is good.)

It's about time us adults get some adult games as games are not just for children anymore. As a parent of three, I monitor what my children see when it comes to entertainment, because that's my responsibility as aparent. I didn't care for the whole suicide scenes in Persona 3 so I chose not to make that purchase. This was a hard choice for me, mainly because I was a fan of the series but it wasa choice I had to stick by. I suggest, if you have issues with Bioshock or anyother game out there, then simply do as I did and make that choice for yourself. If you don't like it, don't buy it.

While I do feel that everyone is entitled to their opinion or freedom of speech, I do not feel making a post like this one serves any purpose what so ever.

That's my 2 cents, take it or leave it.

this t hread is so lame... this is the reason games get restricted cuz ppl like you'se think what u see in a video game u will do in real life. and then that will get use complaining then that will ghet the g ames restricted or baned. Wait..everyon go out and buy bioshock right now..b4 it hgets baned or re-shiped without the little sisters.. so lame and stupid

In a portionof one of thepreviews, we see a scene in which a man with a wrench approaches a little girl. His malevolent intentions are clearly evidenced by the way he is putting the wrench into and out of his left hand. The girl, to avoid the obvious result of his intentions, moves into an opening in the nearby wall, and the opening is about 5 feet off the ground. He grabs her by the hand and throws her down to the ground. Before he can inflict severe harm upon her, a big daddy approaches and intervenes.

Everyone who watches this chain of events should feel sick inside. This is very, very disturbing imagery. While violent gaming is, at least for now, the accepted norm, that does not imply that all forms of it should be tolerated. There is a limit, and Bioshock passed it. Even if the death of the little girl is the key to everyone's happiness in the game, I say: the ends do not justify the means, especially here. If the point is to show what happens when someone does this to a defenseless girl (the big daddy tries to kill him), it still goes too far. Numerous studies link violent imagery with violent behavior, and while I do not impute a malignant psychology toward anyone, images like this are just wrong, regardless of the context.

If you ask "why", I say, for one, out of many, many reasons, because it shows that despite the age of a person, if there is something that highlights the person as being different, than it is okay to inhumanely terminate her rights. Lastly, despite the possibly acceptable value of art and limited violence, don't forget: This is a CHILD!

thank you, and I appreciate comments.

theanalyzer411

olololloloollololololololol, talk about taking it out of context, and if im not mistaken she is like a child that runs around w/ that huge machine killing other people, yeah sry but if there was a kid that ran around killing others and it came to the point where it was threatening my life or the life of someone i cared about, that kids dead

I say it's America. Much worse stuff happens to people and children every day. Who's to say we shouldn't see it because it's immoral to a person or group of people? I personally think it's about time we see the gritty realistic violence as apposed to gallons of blood that wouldnt really exist. That's disturbing, yeah, but if you're a disturbed individual, that's the type of stuff that makes games and movies moving and intriguing. If you dont wanna see it, dont put yourself in that position. It's that easy. Well put.

And before anyone says it's not America in their country, then their country would just ban it. Have fun with that. I wanna be able to have the freedom to see that kinda stuff. I think they didnt go overboard, even if he killed the little girl. I think they're just showing the consumer what really can happen in this world. Earth isn't a joyous, harmonious place to live. It's chaotic and hectic and filled with evil people doing 'wrong' to help themselves. How you see it is your opinion. I think it's fresh that they're finally willing to put realistic events in games. If it makes you sick, they did what they wanted to do. We dont see movies like Hostel or Saw getting pulled. Why? Cuz if people dont wanna see that kinda **** they won't go see it. The same should start being applied to games. I wanna get games outta this whole "it's for kids; it's a toy" crap and into the adult's are welcome too media.

It's about damn time.

GodfatherStatik

This is the same as the first zombie in Dawn of the Dead (the remake).

The first zombie is a little girl, whose mouth was eaten by another zombie, it's a hard scene, but it's great.

Yeah man, I'm sure if you had a demonic cannibalistic little girl next to you you'dbe picking her up and holding it oh so dearly in your arms.

Give me a break man. If one of those girls were anywhere NEAR my general area i'd be figuring out how to slaughter their asses.

Chill out, dude.

[QUOTE="GodfatherStatik"]

I say it's America. Much worse stuff happens to people and children every day. Who's to say we shouldn't see it because it's immoral to a person or group of people? I personally think it's about time we see the gritty realistic violence as apposed to gallons of blood that wouldnt really exist. That's disturbing, yeah, but if you're a disturbed individual, that's the type of stuff that makes games and movies moving and intriguing. If you dont wanna see it, dont put yourself in that position. It's that easy. Well put.

And before anyone says it's not America in their country, then their country would just ban it. Have fun with that. I wanna be able to have the freedom to see that kinda stuff. I think they didnt go overboard, even if he killed the little girl. I think they're just showing the consumer what really can happen in this world. Earth isn't a joyous, harmonious place to live. It's chaotic and hectic and filled with evil people doing 'wrong' to help themselves. How you see it is your opinion. I think it's fresh that they're finally willing to put realistic events in games. If it makes you sick, they did what they wanted to do. We dont see movies like Hostel or Saw getting pulled. Why? Cuz if people dont wanna see that kinda **** they won't go see it. The same should start being applied to games. I wanna get games outta this whole "it's for kids; it's a toy" crap and into the adult's are welcome too media.

It's about damn time.

iamthemoneyj

I dissagree. We shouldnt show that kind of violence, because the only reaction it will garner form the average, healthy person is revulsion, while the disturbed sicko bastard will get off by it. All it is, is pandering to the disturbed and that is, in my opinion, wrong. If you want to see that kind of violenceI seriously think there is something wrong with you, and you should get help. Yes worse stuff goes on everyday in real life, but we should be working to stop it, not recreate it in the virtual realm.

In a portionof one of thepreviews, we see a scene in which a man with a wrench approaches a little girl. His malevolent intentions are clearly evidenced by the way he is putting the wrench into and out of his left hand. The girl, to avoid the obvious result of his intentions, moves into an opening in the nearby wall, and the opening is about 5 feet off the ground. He grabs her by the hand and throws her down to the ground. Before he can inflict severe harm upon her, a big daddy approaches and intervenes.

Everyone who watches this chain of events should feel sick inside. This is very, very disturbing imagery. While violent gaming is, at least for now, the accepted norm, that does not imply that all forms of it should be tolerated. There is a limit, and Bioshock passed it. Even if the death of the little girl is the key to everyone's happiness in the game, I say: the ends do not justify the means, especially here. If the point is to show what happens when someone does this to a defenseless girl (the big daddy tries to kill him), it still goes too far. Numerous studies link violent imagery with violent behavior, and while I do not impute a malignant psychology toward anyone, images like this are just wrong, regardless of the context.

If you ask "why", I say, for one, out of many, many reasons, because it shows that despite the age of a person, if there is something that highlights the person as being different, than it is okay to inhumanely terminate her rights. Lastly, despite the possibly acceptable value of art and limited violence, don't forget: This is a CHILD!

thank you, and I appreciate comments.

theanalyzer411

Where did you copy and paste this from??? the Jack Thompson forum???

[QUOTE="GodfatherStatik"]

I say it's America. Much worse stuff happens to people and children every day. Who's to say we shouldn't see it because it's immoral to a person or group of people? I personally think it's about time we see the gritty realistic violence as apposed to gallons of blood that wouldnt really exist. That's disturbing, yeah, but if you're a disturbed individual, that's the type of stuff that makes games and movies moving and intriguing. If you dont wanna see it, dont put yourself in that position. It's that easy. Well put.

And before anyone says it's not America in their country, then their country would just ban it. Have fun with that. I wanna be able to have the freedom to see that kinda stuff. I think they didnt go overboard, even if he killed the little girl. I think they're just showing the consumer what really can happen in this world. Earth isn't a joyous, harmonious place to live. It's chaotic and hectic and filled with evil people doing 'wrong' to help themselves. How you see it is your opinion. I think it's fresh that they're finally willing to put realistic events in games. If it makes you sick, they did what they wanted to do. We dont see movies like Hostel or Saw getting pulled. Why? Cuz if people dont wanna see that kinda **** they won't go see it. The same should start being applied to games. I wanna get games outta this whole "it's for kids; it's a toy" crap and into the adult's are welcome too media.

It's about damn time.

iamthemoneyj

same here

[QUOTE="iamthemoneyj"][QUOTE="GodfatherStatik"]

I say it's America. Much worse stuff happens to people and children every day. Who's to say we shouldn't see it because it's immoral to a person or group of people? I personally think it's about time we see the gritty realistic violence as apposed to gallons of blood that wouldnt really exist. That's disturbing, yeah, but if you're a disturbed individual, that's the type of stuff that makes games and movies moving and intriguing. If you dont wanna see it, dont put yourself in that position. It's that easy. Well put.

And before anyone says it's not America in their country, then their country would just ban it. Have fun with that. I wanna be able to have the freedom to see that kinda stuff. I think they didnt go overboard, even if he killed the little girl. I think they're just showing the consumer what really can happen in this world. Earth isn't a joyous, harmonious place to live. It's chaotic and hectic and filled with evil people doing 'wrong' to help themselves. How you see it is your opinion. I think it's fresh that they're finally willing to put realistic events in games. If it makes you sick, they did what they wanted to do. We dont see movies like Hostel or Saw getting pulled. Why? Cuz if people dont wanna see that kinda **** they won't go see it. The same should start being applied to games. I wanna get games outta this whole "it's for kids; it's a toy" crap and into the adult's are welcome too media.

It's about damn time.

RollingZeppelin

I dissagree. We shouldnt show that kind of violence, because the only reaction it will garner form the average, healthy person is revulsion, while the disturbed sicko bastard will get off by it. All it is, is pandering to the disturbed and that is, in my opinion, wrong. If you want to see that kind of violenceI seriously think there is something wrong with you, and you should get help. Yes worse stuff goes on everyday in real life, but we should be working to stop it, not recreate it in the virtual realm.

[QUOTE="iamthemoneyj"][QUOTE="GodfatherStatik"]

I say it's America. Much worse stuff happens to people and children every day. Who's to say we shouldn't see it because it's immoral to a person or group of people? I personally think it's about time we see the gritty realistic violence as apposed to gallons of blood that wouldnt really exist. That's disturbing, yeah, but if you're a disturbed individual, that's the type of stuff that makes games and movies moving and intriguing. If you dont wanna see it, dont put yourself in that position. It's that easy. Well put.

And before anyone says it's not America in their country, then their country would just ban it. Have fun with that. I wanna be able to have the freedom to see that kinda stuff. I think they didnt go overboard, even if he killed the little girl. I think they're just showing the consumer what really can happen in this world. Earth isn't a joyous, harmonious place to live. It's chaotic and hectic and filled with evil people doing 'wrong' to help themselves. How you see it is your opinion. I think it's fresh that they're finally willing to put realistic events in games. If it makes you sick, they did what they wanted to do. We dont see movies like Hostel or Saw getting pulled. Why? Cuz if people dont wanna see that kinda **** they won't go see it. The same should start being applied to games. I wanna get games outta this whole "it's for kids; it's a toy" crap and into the adult's are welcome too media.

It's about damn time.

RollingZeppelin

I dissagree. We shouldnt show that kind of violence, because the only reaction it will garner form the average, healthy person is revulsion, while the disturbed sicko bastard will get off by it. All it is, is pandering to the disturbed and that is, in my opinion, wrong. If you want to see that kind of violenceI seriously think there is something wrong with you, and you should get help. Yes worse stuff goes on everyday in real life, but we should be working to stop it, not recreate it in the virtual realm.

[QUOTE="iamthemoneyj"][QUOTE="GodfatherStatik"]

I say it's America. Much worse stuff happens to people and children every day. Who's to say we shouldn't see it because it's immoral to a person or group of people? I personally think it's about time we see the gritty realistic violence as apposed to gallons of blood that wouldnt really exist. That's disturbing, yeah, but if you're a disturbed individual, that's the type of stuff that makes games and movies moving and intriguing. If you dont wanna see it, dont put yourself in that position. It's that easy. Well put.

And before anyone says it's not America in their country, then their country would just ban it. Have fun with that. I wanna be able to have the freedom to see that kinda stuff. I think they didnt go overboard, even if he killed the little girl. I think they're just showing the consumer what really can happen in this world. Earth isn't a joyous, harmonious place to live. It's chaotic and hectic and filled with evil people doing 'wrong' to help themselves. How you see it is your opinion. I think it's fresh that they're finally willing to put realistic events in games. If it makes you sick, they did what they wanted to do. We dont see movies like Hostel or Saw getting pulled. Why? Cuz if people dont wanna see that kinda **** they won't go see it. The same should start being applied to games. I wanna get games outta this whole "it's for kids; it's a toy" crap and into the adult's are welcome too media.

It's about damn time.

RollingZeppelin

I dissagree. We shouldnt show that kind of violence, because the only reaction it will garner form the average, healthy person is revulsion, while the disturbed sicko bastard will get off by it. All it is, is pandering to the disturbed and that is, in my opinion, wrong. If you want to see that kind of violenceI seriously think there is something wrong with you, and you should get help. Yes worse stuff goes on everyday in real life, but we should be working to stop it, not recreate it in the virtual realm.

I see where yiu're coming from but I came from a private school :roll: and we were sheltered from everything. They tried to ignore and condense sex, drugs, violence, etc. by basically telling us to not talk about it. Now of course, its awlays the parents decision whether or not they can play this game, but if they're older then 17 they can choose for themselves. All I'm trying to say is how I saw it, its trying to make you disturbed. How these capable citizens went down to rapture took some adam, and then became insane lunatics. At least it makes you want to fight and want to kill evil people who are responsible for what happened down there. And also considering its impossible to kill a little sister unless you harvest them was a smart decision by the developers.

In a portionof one of thepreviews, we see a scene in which a man with a wrench approaches a little girl. His malevolent intentions are clearly evidenced by the way he is putting the wrench into and out of his left hand. The girl, to avoid the obvious result of his intentions, moves into an opening in the nearby wall, and the opening is about 5 feet off the ground. He grabs her by the hand and throws her down to the ground. Before he can inflict severe harm upon her, a big daddy approaches and intervenes.

Everyone who watches this chain of events should feel sick inside. This is very, very disturbing imagery. While violent gaming is, at least for now, the accepted norm, that does not imply that all forms of it should be tolerated. There is a limit, and Bioshock passed it. Even if the death of the little girl is the key to everyone's happiness in the game, I say: the ends do not justify the means, especially here. If the point is to show what happens when someone does this to a defenseless girl (the big daddy tries to kill him), it still goes too far. Numerous studies link violent imagery with violent behavior, and while I do not impute a malignant psychology toward anyone, images like this are just wrong, regardless of the context.

If you ask "why", I say, for one, out of many, many reasons, because it shows that despite the age of a person, if there is something that highlights the person as being different, than it is okay to inhumanely terminate her rights. Lastly, despite the possibly acceptable value of art and limited violence, don't forget: This is a CHILD!

thank you, and I appreciate comments.

theanalyzer411

I'd feel sick if I had some strange inability to tell the difference between a video game and the real world. I guess you wouldn't understand that if you don't play video games. Way to go about preaching to other people how they should feel, there's nothing self-righteous here. Why, you almost had me with your nice little touch of sensationalism at the end there.

Then I remembered that I don't care. I'm going to go kill kids in BioShock now. Bye bye!

This thread is still going on? wow, anywho, I saw what happens if you do harvest the Little sisters, it just shows a sign of struggle and then lights and alot of lights blind the screen...the sister is gone.

And you got adam!!!

Games like other forms of media can allow the users to experience things that in our normal lives, we just wouldn't do. I'm in no favor of child abuse or whatever, but you must look into the deeper meaning. I haven't played Bioshock other than the demo but there seems to be a purpose since as I've been told it has an excellent story. Books have been controversial - some banned, later removed.

Games are now entering that phase. Some of the best books that I've read have gone "over the line." I'm sure some of the best games will cross that line yet again.

In a portionof one of thepreviews, we see a scene in which a man with a wrench approaches a little girl. His malevolent intentions are clearly evidenced by the way he is putting the wrench into and out of his left hand. The girl, to avoid the obvious result of his intentions, moves into an opening in the nearby wall, and the opening is about 5 feet off the ground. He grabs her by the hand and throws her down to the ground. Before he can inflict severe harm upon her, a big daddy approaches and intervenes.

Everyone who watches this chain of events should feel sick inside. This is very, very disturbing imagery. While violent gaming is, at least for now, the accepted norm, that does not imply that all forms of it should be tolerated. There is a limit, and Bioshock passed it. Even if the death of the little girl is the key to everyone's happiness in the game, I say: the ends do not justify the means, especially here. If the point is to show what happens when someone does this to a defenseless girl (the big daddy tries to kill him), it still goes too far. Numerous studies link violent imagery with violent behavior, and while I do not impute a malignant psychology toward anyone, images like this are just wrong, regardless of the context.

If you ask "why", I say, for one, out of many, many reasons, because it shows that despite the age of a person, if there is something that highlights the person as being different, than it is okay to inhumanely terminate her rights. Lastly, despite the possibly acceptable value of art and limited violence, don't forget: This is a CHILD!

thank you, and I appreciate comments.

theanalyzer411

Wow..... Just wow..... Your not even a gamer I am sure. Your name is the analyzer411. 411 means information (for those of you who didn't know that) This leads me to believe that your just some person probably reporting for some kind of program or website or something, and you are just trying to get responses from people who actually play the games. And you are also trying to make them feel like they are sick people that are less of a person than as your self. You think this stuff is sick? How about that the fact that a girl that was friends with my friend was just murdered last weekend by the Devoe man? What about the girl that was a senior at my school a two days ago that just died in a car crash? That is sick. But for people to be getting upset over video games? Thats just sad. I have seen plent of movies that are extremely popular and contain violence. What do you think of the movie "HOTT FUZZ"? with the beating and abusing the elderly? Were you offended at all when the detective dropped kicked some ones Grandma in the face? Or how about when the priest comes out and its gets shot when he pulls two guns on the police? You are probably going to reply with something like "I am too mature for those moves" or something ridiculous like that. I don't believe that violent imagery will link to violent behavior at all. I just believe that when people do something stupid, they blame it on that. Most people I would say actually use video games with violence to get anger out and such, and plus it can just be damn fun. My friend even told me that when he gets pissed off, he dosn't grap a dammit doll or anything, he gets on Dead Rising and beats some damn zombies asses. i have not played Bioshock, but I have played the demo. I know that it is a great game, and I understand why people love it. You are able to do two things to "Little Sisters", A: You can harvest them or B: You can save them. You are unable to harm them during gameplay, if you choose to harvest them, nothing is shown. Like in a lot of movies like"Doom" for example; The Rock's character goes into a room with a bunch of men, women, and mainly children. What happens? It goes to the next seen, which makes the audience (us),assume that everyone in that room has been killed. Which does happen. (Im sorry if that spoiled anything for anybody, but it is actually nothing important in the movie except to show how demented his character becomes.) Were you at all offenden when the King Kong was killed on top of the empire state building? Some people (I MEAN CRAZY PEOPLE) would find that very offensive. I guess what I am trying to say is that you can't point out video games for being the only source of extreme violence. You suck.

BTW I am 15 years of age, so go ahead an say that I am immature and I need to watch my mouth.

I have this weird innate ability to determine what is reality and what is not. Crazy huh?YourLastDay86

i know really, like this time i thought i was playing bioshock and I was harvesting a little girl. it actually turned out that i was in the basement with thelights off and the little girl turned out to be my cat. i miss my cat already. lmao

I have this weird innate ability to determine what is reality and what is not. Crazy huh?YourLastDay86

WHAT YOU HAVE IT TOOO!!!! I FEEL LIKE I'M IN AN EPISODE FOR THE TWILIGHT ZONE 8p