PUSH's (critically) overrated games

[QUOTE="khoofia_pika"]For me, even in this generation, outside of RDR, Rockstar has been excellent. Especially GTA. I have over 300 hours of gameplay in Chinatown Wars (PSP and DS versions combined), GTA4, San Andreas, Vice City, Liberty City Stories (somehow) and Vice City Stories and I enjoy playing all of them even today.AcidThunder

Nope, 300 hundred each, I play GTA like crazy. Can't wait for 5.  

@Maro

Yeah, GTA3 is still fun, though it feels a bit barebones now. Vice City and San Andreas have aged extremely well, those games will never get boring.

And the thing with GTA is, it IS innovative at times. But the best part is that Rockstar actually implements it all pretty well and cohesively.  

[QUOTE="AcidThunder"][QUOTE="khoofia_pika"]For me, even in this generation, outside of RDR, Rockstar has been excellent. Especially GTA. I have over 300 hours of gameplay in Chinatown Wars (PSP and DS versions combined), GTA4, San Andreas, Vice City, Liberty City Stories (somehow) and Vice City Stories and I enjoy playing all of them even today.khoofia_pika

Nope, 300 hundred each, I play GTA like crazy. Can't wait for 5.  

Focking hell. I don't think I have played 1800 hours, all games I have ever played combined.AcidThunder

Wow. Guess I'm a total loser then.

If I had to guess, I'd say that during my first 20 years of gaming, I played an average of 4 hours daily. So if we do the math...

20 years x 365 days = 7300 days
7300 days x 4 hours per day = 29200 hours

So it's safe to ballpark my total video game play time anywhere from 27000 hours on up.

Yeah, I felt like doing math in my head so I made this post. 

@Maro

Yeah, GTA3 is still fun, though it feels a bit barebones now. Vice City and San Andreas have aged extremely well, those games will never get boring.

 

And the thing with GTA is, it IS innovative at times. But the best part is that Rockstar actually implements it all pretty well and cohesively.  

khoofia_pika

I dunno, GTA:SA was pretty well executed and so was Vice City. But if we look at GTA4, it seemed like they put too much effort in adding pointless, tedious minigames as opposed to good pacing, mission structure or mechanics.

That said, while GTA3 wasnt the first of its kind, it kinda set the bar for the Freeroam games.

[QUOTE="AcidThunder"]
Focking hell. I don't think I have played 1800 hours, all games I have ever played combined.Brown9

Wow. Guess I'm a total loser then.

If I had to guess, I'd say that during my first 20 years of gaming, I played an average of 4 hours daily. So if we do the math...

20 years x 365 days = 7300 days
7300 days x 4 hours per day = 29200 hours

So it's safe to ballpark my total video game play time anywhere from 27000 hours on up.

Yeah, I felt like doing math in my head so I made this post. 

Good, now put in some linear algebra and differential equations to that :D 

[QUOTE="AcidThunder"]
Focking hell. I don't think I have played 1800 hours, all games I have ever played combined.Brown9

Wow. Guess I'm a total loser then.

If I had to guess, I'd say that during my first 20 years of gaming, I played an average of 4 hours daily. So if we do the math...

20 years x 365 days = 7300 days
7300 days x 4 hours per day = 29200 hours

So it's safe to ballpark my total video game play time anywhere from 27000 hours on up.

Yeah, I felt like doing math in my head so I made this post. 

[QUOTE="Brown9"]

[QUOTE="AcidThunder"]
Focking hell. I don't think I have played 1800 hours, all games I have ever played combined.AcidThunder

Wow. Guess I'm a total loser then.

If I had to guess, I'd say that during my first 20 years of gaming, I played an average of 4 hours daily. So if we do the math...

20 years x 365 days = 7300 days
7300 days x 4 hours per day = 29200 hours

So it's safe to ballpark my total video game play time anywhere from 27000 hours on up.

Yeah, I felt like doing math in my head so I made this post. 

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]F*cking Rockstar in general sucks. khoofia_pika

Shut up champ, GTA is fun :x 

Fun POS.

The only Rockstar game I've played that didn't feel clunky as hell was Max Payne 3. 

Mistake: Portablejg4xchamp

Bioshock is another one. Great game but even after playing only like 5 hours of System Shock 2, it already feels lacking in comparison. Higher score my ass... of course its not entirely fair to judge it next to its other predecessors, but its hard not to.

As a game individually I still think its overrated though with its lazy ass combat, gunplay, and the whole entire voice diary thing gives it an artificial story that is in bits and pieces. Having to piece things together is cool and all, and can make a good story (moreso "experience") as a whole, but its still annoying for some people who don't really care about the hidden or implied story aspects of gaming, no matter how intriguing it could be. Whatever happened to having good old fashioned twists and turns? I would rather not have any heavily modified story pieced by those voice diaries. It just makes the whole "game having a good story" thing seem even less genuine. At least the atmosphere wasn't lacking, which was another big part of it.

My biggest gripe is the combat though mostly.That little rant was something else entirely. :P

Oh, so it's lolchamp'shandheldopinion, move along folks, the seals are on the other side of the circus.Blabadon

[QUOTE="Blabadon"]Oh, so it's lolchamp'shandheldopinion, move along folks, the seals are on the other side of the circus.spookykid143

Not to mention I'd like to give FES a shot, it looks like it has a lot of what P3P gimped actually in it. 

[QUOTE="Blabadon"]Oh, so it's lolchamp'shandheldopinion, move along folks, the seals are on the other side of the circus.spookykid143

I am curiuos to why it is the best version.

I havent gotten the game yet, and I want the best version for it. Since it is gonna take a while till SMT4 gets released here, might as well play Persona 3 too. Bloody Wintendo and their region locking.

[QUOTE="spookykid143"][QUOTE="Blabadon"]Oh, so it's lolchamp'shandheldopinion, move along folks, the seals are on the other side of the circus.Maroxad

I am curiuos to why it is the best version.

I havent gotten the game yet, and I want the best version for it. Since it is gonna take a while till SMT4 gets released here, might as well play Persona 3 too. Bloody Wintendo and their region locking.

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

[QUOTE="spookykid143"][QUOTE="Blabadon"]Oh, so it's lolchamp'shandheldopinion, move along folks, the seals are on the other side of the circus.Blabadon

I am curiuos to why it is the best version.

I havent gotten the game yet, and I want the best version for it. Since it is gonna take a while till SMT4 gets released here, might as well play Persona 3 too. Bloody Wintendo and their region locking.

Wow, that seems clunky.

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

[QUOTE="spookykid143"][QUOTE="Blabadon"]Oh, so it's lolchamp'shandheldopinion, move along folks, the seals are on the other side of the circus.Blabadon

I am curiuos to why it is the best version.

I havent gotten the game yet, and I want the best version for it. Since it is gonna take a while till SMT4 gets released here, might as well play Persona 3 too. Bloody Wintendo and their region locking.

Here, this is unspoilery. I'd just link it for you guys:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIMhezyhgFs&feature=youtu.be&t=4m56s

The PS2 version of Persona 3 had you running around as the main character through those hub areas. Even the school too (which was pretty large).

What Blab linked looks to be a streamlined way of doing things, but more of a clinical way that seems to rob the immediacy of running around an urban locale/town.

Here, this is unspoilery. I'd just link it for you guys:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIMhezyhgFs&feature=youtu.be&t=4m56s

Blabadon

While the audio log has kind of overstayed its welcome(as it really doesn't fit into a lot of games it shows up in) I much prefer the piece the story together route as oppose to having control taken away for me so the game can run its mouth off. It makes the process as a whole more interactive, and it sells the idea that you get from the game what you want out of it.

Bioshock's a weak game though no doubt. Poor gameplay, bad pacing, and a shitty final third on both a gameplay and narrative level. jg4xchamp

I'm glad I'm not the only one with this opinion. Overall I found the game incredibly lacking and overrated in just about every aspect. 

[QUOTE="Blabadon"]

Here, this is unspoilery. I'd just link it for you guys:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIMhezyhgFs&feature=youtu.be&t=4m56s

BrunoBRS

I remember hearing it was a necessary change to fit the game onto the UMD. I always enjoyed it more than actually running around the town, personally.

Even running around the dungeons could get boring. There's not much to do in them aside from fighting enemies. It's why I preferred the shorter dungeons of P4; more variety in aesthetics and even a bit more to the dungeon than just "go to staircase".

I do like the overall setting and feel of P3 better than P4, but like the cast of P4 far more than that of P3. Social links with the entire party made all the difference. 

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]While the audio log has kind of overstayed its welcome(as it really doesn't fit into a lot of games it shows up in) I much prefer the piece the story together route as oppose to having control taken away for me so the game can run its mouth off. It makes the process as a whole more interactive, and it sells the idea that you get from the game what you want out of it.

Bioshock's a weak game though no doubt. Poor gameplay, bad pacing, and a shitty final third on both a gameplay and narrative level. turtlethetaffer

I'm glad I'm not the only one with this opinion. Overall I found the game incredibly lacking and overrated in just about every aspect. 

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="Blabadon"]

Here, this is unspoilery. I'd just link it for you guys:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIMhezyhgFs&feature=youtu.be&t=4m56s

Brown9

I remember hearing it was a necessary change to fit the game onto the UMD. I always enjoyed it more than actually running around the town, personally.

Even running around the dungeons could get boring. There's not much to do in them aside from fighting enemies. It's why I preferred the shorter dungeons of P4; more variety in aesthetics and even a bit more to the dungeon than just "go to staircase".

I do like the overall setting and feel of P3 better than P4, but like the cast of P4 far more than that of P3. Social links with the entire party made all the difference. 

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]While the audio log has kind of overstayed its welcome(as it really doesn't fit into a lot of games it shows up in) I much prefer the piece the story together route as oppose to having control taken away for me so the game can run its mouth off. It makes the process as a whole more interactive, and it sells the idea that you get from the game what you want out of it.

Bioshock's a weak game though no doubt. Poor gameplay, bad pacing, and a shitty final third on both a gameplay and narrative level. jg4xchamp

I'm glad I'm not the only one with this opinion. Overall I found the game incredibly lacking and overrated in just about every aspect. 

I think one of the few things it had was the production values and, because of that, the atmosphere... The gameplay just felt clunky and lacked any sort of tension (lead to more frustration than anything) and I didn't find the story to be especially mind blowingly philisophical like some poeple did. Maybe it's because I played it just two years ago, rather than when it came out, but if that's why, then the game hasn't aged very well at all.

While the audio log has kind of overstayed its welcome(as it really doesn't fit into a lot of games it shows up in) I much prefer the piece the story together route as oppose to having control taken away for me so the game can run its mouth off. It makes the process as a whole more interactive, and it sells the idea that you get from the game what you want out of it.

Bioshock's a weak game though no doubt. Poor gameplay, bad pacing, and a shitty final third on both a gameplay and narrative level. jg4xchamp

 It's true that its based on what the player does, which is why I might be in the minority when it comes to the audio diary thing since I'm one to get bored of shitty ass mechanics in gameplay pretty easily (getting to Hephaestus was a chore, and god forbid the parts after it...). I didn't piece it together all that much since I was speeding through the experience, so it felt subpar in comparison to a regular story, which is probably why I feel so strongly about it being at least half gone from the game. Overall I feel that a good straighforward story (nothing too mouthy of course like you said :P) can help more than hinder depending on the game, and just based on my experience with Bioshock it would certainly help imo.

If they didn't have the crap, then maybe I might feel a little bit differently about the whole thing. Who knows though... I'm not going back to it any time soon. :P

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]While the audio log has kind of overstayed its welcome(as it really doesn't fit into a lot of games it shows up in) I much prefer the piece the story together route as oppose to having control taken away for me so the game can run its mouth off. It makes the process as a whole more interactive, and it sells the idea that you get from the game what you want out of it.

Bioshock's a weak game though no doubt. Poor gameplay, bad pacing, and a shitty final third on both a gameplay and narrative level. AznbkdX

 It's true that its based on what the player does, which is why I might be in the minority when it comes to the audio diary thing since I'm one to get bored of shitty ass mechanics in gameplay pretty easily (getting to Hephaestus was a chore, and god forbid the parts after it...). I didn't piece it together all that much since I was speeding through the experience, so it felt subpar in comparison to a regular story, which is probably why I feel so strongly about it being at least half gone from the game. Overall I feel that a good straighforward story (nothing too mouthy of course like you said :P) can help more than hinder depending on the game, and just based on my experience with Bioshock it would certainly help imo.

If they didn't have the crap, then maybe I might feel a little bit differently about the whole thing. Who knows though... I'm not going back to it any time soon. :P

It wasn't even like that for me... I don't mind piecing things together. It was just that I was expecting more.  Soooooooo many people said the story was among the best in games, deep and philisophical, and I've got to say that I didn't find it anything terribly special. 

I think one of the few things it had was the production values and, because of that, the atmosphere... The gameplay just felt clunky and lacked any sort of tension (lead to more frustration than anything) and I didn't find the story to be especially mind blowingly philisophical like some poeple did. Maybe it's because I played it just two years ago, rather than when it came out, but if that's why, then the game hasn't aged very well at all.

turtlethetaffer

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

I think one of the few things it had was the production values and, because of that, the atmosphere... The gameplay just felt clunky and lacked any sort of tension (lead to more frustration than anything) and I didn't find the story to be especially mind blowingly philisophical like some poeple did. Maybe it's because I played it just two years ago, rather than when it came out, but if that's why, then the game hasn't aged very well at all.

jg4xchamp

You just hit the nail on the head. Great ideas, but, as you said, none of the weapons felt powerful at all and lacked impact.  It made the game ridiculous to play near the end.  Enemies became too obnoxiously resilient, and crafting tools weren't hugely common, so you couldn't just use the ammo they were weak to.  Plus, fighting Big Daddys near the end was a huge exercise in trial and error.  It was, to me, at least, "run in, do as much damage as possible, die, repeat."  Sure, you could make electric shotgun shells, but they were almost never enough to finish the thing.

BTW I'm sure I've told you this before but I dig the Avy and sig :P 

Grand. Theft. Auto.bbkkristian

This. I can't play GTAIV without getting mad at its terrible controls. 

Persona 4 aka Baby's First SMT is okay. It's good if you enjoy weeaboo dating sims with shit dungeons and dumbed down mechanics.Aljosa23

I am playing Persona 4 atm, I like it, but I am seeing as more of an appetizer for the main course, which is Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne.

i am going to catch hate, but Bioshock and Half Life 1 & 2

This board still exists?

Hi

@Blabadon: Hello