Will a good console JRPG ever be made again?

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

Xenoblade???Valkyria chronicles and Last story looks superb

HFkami

xenoblade and last story havent that great graphics from what i have seen

i didnt know graphics makes a JRPG great or any game great at that

and oh yea Resonance of Fate is amazing

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

Lost Odyssey was as amazing as old FF games to me, so my best JRPG this generation by far

So, at least one has been made

Senor_Kami

off topic but your sig is brilliant. is that a game or a movie coming out?

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="felipebo"]

An RPG made in Japan... You're right, it is a WRPG.

Gxgear

Yup on Magna Carta 2.

Style is not only subjective, but also bears subtle differences from game to game on a spectrum. There is no way to draw a line in the middle based on style when so many games would have overlapping traits from both sides. Demon's Souls is one of them.

Again, W and J denotes their origin only.

This makes absolutely no sense. Genres aren't that subjective. FIFA and PES vary in styles, but the mechanics of both and the base origin make them both football games. It is absolutely undeniable that Demon's Souls is far more anchored in western RPGs than in Eastern. The origin of them is largely irrelevant when you are discussing two distinct genres like this and DS clearly falls within the WRPG genre.

The last good one I played was Fire Emblem.

Because neither FF13 nor Demon's Souls exist?

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Gxgear"]

Yup on Magna Carta 2.

Style is not only subjective, but also bears subtle differences from game to game on a spectrum. There is no way to draw a line in the middle based on style when so many games would have overlapping traits from both sides. Demon's Souls is one of them.

Again, W and J denotes their origin only.

Except most hack and slash games are from Japanese developers.

Even yourself use the phrase "plays like".

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] So is Magna Carta 2 a KRPG, it was made in Korea? Its about the style of the game more than what country its from.Chemical_Viking

Yup on Magna Carta 2.

Style is not only subjective, but also bears subtle differences from game to game on a spectrum. There is no way to draw a line in the middle based on style when so many games would have overlapping traits from both sides. Demon's Souls is one of them.

Again, W and J denotes their origin only.

DS clearly falls within the WRPG genre.

That might be true if WRPG was a genre in the first place.

[QUOTE="Chemical_Viking"]

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

Yup on Magna Carta 2.

Style is not only subjective, but also bears subtle differences from game to game on a spectrum. There is no way to draw a line in the middle based on style when so many games would have overlapping traits from both sides. Demon's Souls is one of them.

Again, W and J denotes their origin only.

Yangire

DS clearly falls within the WRPG genre.

That might be true if WRPG was a genre in the first place.

It is. It obviously is.

[QUOTE="Yangire"]

[QUOTE="Chemical_Viking"]

DS clearly falls within the WRPG genre.

Chemical_Viking

That might be true if WRPG was a genre in the first place.

It is. It obviously is.

The east also makes action RPGs, the west also makes turn based RPGs, and guess what? Those are already sub-genres, so how could a sub-genre be somehow within a sub-genre? Look at a gaming website with a sub-genre search, or even wikipedia it, WRPG/JRPG are not genres.

Also, you cannot go off of how they look because that does not factor into what makes a genre.

There's no reason for the terminology behind JRPG and WRPG if we base them on their countries of origina rather than gameplay style.

I think there is real use for these terms, but it has to be based on the gameplay, not the country. And what the country that developed them considers them to be.

Demon's Souls is considered to be an Action RPG in Japan. So there you go. Let's call it that.

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Demon Souls plays like a WRPG far more than it does a JRPG...its very similiar to Diablo and other hack and slash games.texasgoldrush

Except most hack and slash games are from Japanese developers.

Even yourself use the phrase "plays like".

That's interesting, because by that logic all RPGs would then be categorized as WRPGs.

There's no reason for the terminology behind JRPG and WRPG if we base them on their countries of origina rather than gameplay style.

I think there is real use for these terms, but it has to be based on the gameplay, not the country. And what the country that developed them considers them to be.

Demon's Souls is considered to be an Action RPG in Japan. So there you go. Let's call it that.

hakanakumono

Why do you think reviewers never categorize games as WRPGs or JRPGs? They're not sub-genres: it's not there to there to tell you what type of gameplay it has.

Well, tbh, it does seem like we call them JRPGs and WRPGs because WRPG fans get butthurt that anyone would call JRPGs "RPGs." Truthfully, I think the words are most useful as a baseline of communication between fans of Japnaese ****RPGs and Western ****RPGs for discussion, otherwise it devolves to "_ Japanese RPG isn't an RPG, doesn't do what an RPG should do, etc."

texasgoldrush:

"Except the West invented them."

That's interesting, because by that logic all RPGs would then be categorized as WRPGs.

Gxgear

Be careful.

Persona 5, the Tales games, the Paper Mario games, the Fire Emblem games, and maybe the Dragon Quest games are some series that have a lot of potential for continuing the tradition of good JRPGs on consoles. Resonance of Fate got good reviews and it's a JRPG, but I haven't tried it yet.

There are many good JRPG´s released this gen so I don´t see the problem.

Great JRPG´s however,that´s a very diferent story.

Tales of Vesperia was good. I enjoyed Eternal Sonata and Enchanted Arms was playable with Japanese voiceovers. Didn't like Folklore(sp?) and FF13 sucked balls. Lost Odyessy was good and very under-rated. But every system is lacking on the JRPG front.

Liked the art style of Atelier Rorona that I just seen but I have no idea what type of game that is.

FF Versus XIII.... this all i have to say :)

maybe, if they make blue dragon 2 on 360

monson21502

I don't think that will ever happen.Theres already sequals on the DS and they turn out to be rts rpg games.

There are many good JRPG´s released this gen so I don´t see the problem.

Great JRPG´s however,that´s a very diferent story.

Arach666

I wouldn't even go so far as to say that.

I haven't played a good JRPG since I played a remake of a remake. :(

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Gxgear"]

Except most hack and slash games are from Japanese developers.

Even yourself use the phrase "plays like".

Gxgear

That's interesting, because by that logic all RPGs would then be categorized as WRPGs.

[QUOTE="Arach666"]

There are many good JRPG´s released this gen so I don´t see the problem.

Great JRPG´s however,that´s a very diferent story.

hakanakumono

I wouldn't even go so far as to say that.

Actually there is many good ones but very few great ones.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="Arach666"]

There are many good JRPG´s released this gen so I don´t see the problem.

Great JRPG´s however,that´s a very diferent story.

Kashiwaba

I wouldn't even go so far as to say that.

Actually there is many good ones but very few great ones.

Like?

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="Arach666"]

There are many good JRPG´s released this gen so I don´t see the problem.

Great JRPG´s however,that´s a very diferent story.

I wouldn't even go so far as to say that.

Actually there is many good ones but very few great ones.

Didn't like Folklore(sp?)SexySasquatch11

Persona 5 when it comes out

[QUOTE="Arach666"]

There are many good JRPG´s released this gen so I don´t see the problem.

Great JRPG´s however,that´s a very diferent story.

hakanakumono

I wouldn't even go so far as to say that.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="Arach666"]

There are many good JRPG´s released this gen so I don´t see the problem.

Great JRPG´s however,that´s a very diferent story.

Arach666

I wouldn't even go so far as to say that.

I wouldn't consider that "many though." "Many" to me says 15+. Just a different view of things.

[QUOTE="Arach666"]

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

I wouldn't even go so far as to say that.

hakanakumono

I wouldn't consider that "many though." "Many" to me says 15+. Just a different view of things.

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

Um Demon's Souls?

Fightingfan

This is a thread complaining about there not being a "solid, innovative, and deep" JRPG. Someone points out just such a title and you want to discount it because you can't pigeon hole it into a narrow, self-depreciating stereotype? Jeez, talk about not being able to see the forest for the trees...

[QUOTE="Kashiwaba"]

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

I wouldn't even go so far as to say that.

hakanakumono

Actually there is many good ones but very few great ones.

Like?

FFXIII, VC and Demon's souls were great. Reasonance of fate, Fragile dreams, Lost odyssey, ToV and Xenoblade are good. WKC, SO4 and eternal Sonata were above average well thats from what i tried and remember, and i'm sure there is more. (I'm talking about home consoles only here because handhelds got many great JRPGs)

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Except the West invented them.texasgoldrush

That's interesting, because by that logic all RPGs would then be categorized as WRPGs.

Wow...there's no point in continuing on, if that's what you really think.