Why are so many games skipped for wiiU?

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#51 Posted by super600 (30657 posts) -

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

I would rather keep getting new IPs each generation than the shit for 3 decades.

StrongBlackVine

Ninty does produce new IP's, but they use new creative ideas for new entires in most of their fanchises.

What is Nintendo newest IP? Spin-offs that use exising characters do not count.

 

They have published games like HarmoKnight on the eshop, dillion rolling western and estern.

#52 Posted by MonsieurX (30221 posts) -

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

Nintendo is niche just like Apple makes niche computers. Dealwithit.

Michael0134567

Nintendo is niche? :lol:

I don't think he knows what that word means.

But it sounds cool tho
#53 Posted by Sphensen (755 posts) -

Image.

Because people think the Xbox and Playstation are "cooler"

with the Wii everyone likes to say because of hardware limitations ( it sold the most )

With the GC everyone said it failed because of no Third Party ( more powerful than PS2 )

with the Wii U everyone says it's because of the numbers ( more powerful than current gen )

In reality it's because of the Nintendo Image everyone has, xbox and PS think they're "Hardcore" or "Core" gamers when all they play is FPS

People like to say Nitendo is always rehashing Franchises.

How many CODs came out in one gen? or what about EA sports games every year ?

also Hipsters wea T Shirts with Old School Nintendo controllers on their shirts (which could be detrimental to the Nintendo image too )

#54 Posted by seanmcloughlin (38216 posts) -

[QUOTE="Zeviander"][QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]Wii was the exception to the rule. How many consoles has Nintendo sold since Sony entered the market? Wii U will be Gamecube status. Nice though.StrongBlackVine

The NES and SNES sold comparably to the Wii in their time. And the N64 and Gamecube both did over 20 million units. That is no slouch for any game console. And both were commercially successful for Nintendo. In business, making a profit is the number one goal, not winning a sales war.

Nintendo is niche just like Apple makes niche computers. Dealwithit.

So Niche that they created some of the best handhelds the world has ever seen, or some of the best selling consoles around. Yep tooootally niche

#55 Posted by Cranler (8809 posts) -
[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

So wiiU isn't really for core gamers at all then?

Core Gamer is a dumb term, just like Hardcore Gamer

So what terms should be used to differentiate the different types of gamers?
#56 Posted by Michael0134567 (28651 posts) -

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

So wiiU isn't really for core gamers at all then?

Cranler

Core Gamer is a dumb term, just like Hardcore Gamer

So what terms should be used to differentiate the different types of gamers?

Can't we just say "gamers"?

#57 Posted by Badosh (12733 posts) -
It sucks.
#58 Posted by seanmcloughlin (38216 posts) -

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

So wiiU isn't really for core gamers at all then?

Cranler

Core Gamer is a dumb term, just like Hardcore Gamer

So what terms should be used to differentiate the different types of gamers?

We're just fvcking gamers. All this stuff lately labelling what we actually are is stupid, women gamers, hardcore gamers, core gamers. In the end we all play games, some more than others. You shouldn't need a label to differentiate them, just talking to them will let you know what kind of gamer they are

#59 Posted by nameless12345 (15125 posts) -

I'm guessing this:

 

- hardware is specific and requires games to be made "ground-up" for it to take full advantage of. (direct ports with slapped-on motion control don't work that well)

- the userbase is small compared to the PS360 userbase and is growing slowly. (read: less sales)

- prejudice from the gaming community which also affects 3rd party treatment. (Nintendo always had a "kiddy" image and now also has a "casual" image)

 

When the "next-gen" systems arrive, the hardware limitations will also be a reason why many "big" 3rd parties will avoid it.

#60 Posted by Mrmedia01 (1917 posts) -

The wiiU just isn't powerful enough to entice core gamers, the people who actually BUY games.

The core gamers will go for the xbox, and the crapstation will get the scraps.

CallOfDutyRulez

 

Xbox will get Kinect/ Cable TV people. Sony will get the core gamer.

#61 Posted by Cranler (8809 posts) -
[QUOTE="Michael0134567"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

Core Gamer is a dumb term, just like Hardcore Gamer

So what terms should be used to differentiate the different types of gamers?

Can't we just say "gamers"?

So someone who enjoys playing Wii fit once a week and Angry birds on the train should be designated in the same way as someone who plays competitive mp on a daily basis?
#62 Posted by Michael0134567 (28651 posts) -

[QUOTE="Michael0134567"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"] So what terms should be used to differentiate the different types of gamers?Cranler

Can't we just say "gamers"?

So someone who enjoys playing Wii fit once a week and Angry birds on the train should be designated in the same way as someone who plays competitive mp on a daily basis?

If you play games, doesn't that make you a gamer?

#63 Posted by Cranler (8809 posts) -
[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

Core Gamer is a dumb term, just like Hardcore Gamer

So what terms should be used to differentiate the different types of gamers?

We're just fvcking gamers. All this stuff lately labelling what we actually are is stupid, women gamers, hardcore gamers, core gamers. In the end we all play games, some more than others. You shouldn't need a label to differentiate them, just talking to them will let you know what kind of gamer they are

When you find out what kind of gamer they are how would you describe that gamer to others? A long drawn out explanation is better than a one word description?
#64 Posted by Cranler (8809 posts) -
[QUOTE="Michael0134567"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="Michael0134567"]

Can't we just say "gamers"?

So someone who enjoys playing Wii fit once a week and Angry birds on the train should be designated in the same way as someone who plays competitive mp on a daily basis?

If you play games, doesn't that make you a gamer?

And if youre a person that makes you a person but we dont stop there do we? You have educated people, dumb people, psychotic people, lazy people etc.
#65 Posted by super600 (30657 posts) -

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

Nintendo sales have been weak other than the Wii. Xbox division is about to pass them unless they screw up royally. One fluke success won't make Nintendo a top console seller again.

 

StrongBlackVine

Xbox passing the Wii? :lol:

No 720 will outsell the Wii U...still laughing?

 

That is not guranteed.

#66 Posted by casharmy (6832 posts) -

is that really a question for wii u?  Nintendo has been like that ever since N64.  

#67 Posted by seanmcloughlin (38216 posts) -

When you find out what kind of gamer they are how would you describe that gamer to others? A long drawn out explanation is better than a one word description?Cranler

Considering people find it incredibly hard to define what a core gamer or hardcore gamer actually is, calling them either of those doesn't speed up the process

#68 Posted by StrongBlackVine (8418 posts) -

[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

[QUOTE="Zeviander"] The NES and SNES sold comparably to the Wii in their time. And the N64 and Gamecube both did over 20 million units. That is no slouch for any game console. And both were commercially successful for Nintendo. In business, making a profit is the number one goal, not winning a sales war.seanmcloughlin

Nintendo is niche just like Apple makes niche computers. Dealwithit.

So Niche that they created some of the best handhelds the world has ever seen, or some of the best selling consoles around. Yep tooootally niche

Wii is the only Nintendo console to do sell really well since Sony became a player.

#69 Posted by super600 (30657 posts) -

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

Nintendo is niche just like Apple makes niche computers. Dealwithit.

StrongBlackVine

So Niche that they created some of the best handhelds the world has ever seen, or some of the best selling consoles around. Yep tooootally niche

Wii is the only Nintendo console to do sell really well since Sony became a player.

Ninty obliterates sony in the handheld department anyway. And no one knows how well any of the next gen consoles will do.

#70 Posted by Sphensen (755 posts) -

[QUOTE="Michael0134567"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"] So what terms should be used to differentiate the different types of gamers?Cranler

Can't we just say "gamers"?

So someone who enjoys playing Wii fit once a week and Angry birds on the train should be designated in the same way as someone who plays competitive mp on a daily basis?

the person you described is not a gamer. the person playing COD daily is.

don't try to put a hardcore label on it to make it seem cooler than what it is.

#71 Posted by SuddenlySudden (666 posts) -

Is the software/hardare not compatiable? 

Jankarcop
More Nintendo threads! Yeah
#72 Posted by Badosh (12733 posts) -
[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

Is the software/hardare not compatiable? 

SuddenlySudden
More Nintendo threads! Yeah

love em'
#73 Posted by seanmcloughlin (38216 posts) -

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

Nintendo is niche just like Apple makes niche computers. Dealwithit.

StrongBlackVine

So Niche that they created some of the best handhelds the world has ever seen, or some of the best selling consoles around. Yep tooootally niche

Wii is the only Nintendo console to do sell really well since Sony became a player.

They make pretty damn good handhelds that far outsell Sony's 

And even if what you said was true, doesn't make them Niche

#74 Posted by Cranler (8809 posts) -
[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

Xbox passing the Wii? :lol:MonsieurX

No 720 will outsell the Wii U...still laughing?

 

That is not guranteed.

Xbox outsold Gamecube and Wiiu doesnt have the casuals like the Wii did. 720 and PS 4 are pretty much guaranteed to outsell wiuu.
#75 Posted by Cranler (8809 posts) -
[QUOTE="Sphensen"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="Michael0134567"]

Can't we just say "gamers"?

So someone who enjoys playing Wii fit once a week and Angry birds on the train should be designated in the same way as someone who plays competitive mp on a daily basis?

the person you described is not a gamer. the person playing COD daily is.

don't try to put a hardcore label on it to make it seem cooler than what it is.

Someone who plays 2 games on a regular basis isnt a gamer? Why would hardcore be associated with being cool?
#76 Posted by Cranler (8809 posts) -

[QUOTE="Cranler"]When you find out what kind of gamer they are how would you describe that gamer to others? A long drawn out explanation is better than a one word description?seanmcloughlin

Considering people find it incredibly hard to define what a core gamer or hardcore gamer actually is, calling them either of those doesn't speed up the process

I thought thats pretty simple. Isnt a core gamers someone who plays shooter, rpg's, strategy games while casuals play Angry Birds and Kinectimals? Isnt a hardcore gamer someone who who plays more than the average core gamer?
#77 Posted by Heil68 (44504 posts) -
WiiU is trying to copy MS and have no games?
#78 Posted by StrongBlackVine (8418 posts) -

[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"]Wonderful 101seanmcloughlin

Looks terrible. A cartoon with midget superheroes.

Terrible or not, that's personaly taste. Still counts as a new IP. Accept your failure and move on

LOL I have heard of Wonderful 101 before. I just wanted to which was the newest IP. Stay asshurt about Nintendo though.

Have heard of Pikmin too. Both are cartoons...no surprise.

#79 Posted by super600 (30657 posts) -

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

No 720 will outsell the Wii U...still laughing?

 

Cranler

That is not guranteed.

Xbox outsold Gamecube and Wiiu doesnt have the casuals like the Wii did. 720 and PS 4 are pretty much guaranteed to outsell wiuu.

No one knows how well those console will sell. If they are priced ot high for the market no one willl be interested in those consoles.

#80 Posted by Heil68 (44504 posts) -

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="super600"]

That is not guranteed.

super600

Xbox outsold Gamecube and Wiiu doesnt have the casuals like the Wii did. 720 and PS 4 are pretty much guaranteed to outsell wiuu.

No one knows how well those console will sell. If they are priced ot high for the market no one willl be interested in those consoles.

no one? What %? Lets see the math!
#81 Posted by FragTycoon (6430 posts) -

It's simple really. Developers have to weigh the cost to develop/port the game versus the potential profit form the known install base.

The WiiU install base is small... so why develop/port it if it cost more than possible returns?

That's why exclusives early on in a consoles life is so important, to build an install base so 3rd party developers don't overlook you.

Personaly, I think 3rd party developers notice that Nintendo fans buy more in-house games then ports anyway. Why make a game for a console when all they gonna do is sit on Mario and Zelda and never buy your game anyway? Who, other than die hard sheep, will honestly buy games like CoD or Skyrim on WiiU over other systems?

#82 Posted by emgesp (2146 posts) -

I'd assume it's because of the relatively small install base

josephl64

PS4 has zero install base, yet it has full support by third party studios.  Obviously, the small Wii U install base isn't the main factor on why it's not getting great third party support. 

1. Third Party AAA games just don't sell all that well on Nintendo platforms. 

2. Hardware is much weaker than the PS4/720.  The hardware is much closer to the PS3/360 than the PS4/720. 

#83 Posted by Jankarcop (9515 posts) -

So WiiU is being skipped for most major titles due to it being a niche market?

 

Do you mean like dance and Fitness games?  And not really core market?

#84 Posted by clr84651 (5446 posts) -

The wiiU just isn't powerful enough to entice core gamers, the people who actually BUY games.

The core gamers will go for the xbox, and the crapstation will get the scraps.

CallOfDutyRulez

If core gamers go for xbox then why have they sold the same worldwide?!:roll:

#85 Posted by StrongBlackVine (8418 posts) -

[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

[QUOTE="Zeviander"] The NES and SNES sold comparably to the Wii in their time. And the N64 and Gamecube both did over 20 million units. That is no slouch for any game console. And both were commercially successful for Nintendo. In business, making a profit is the number one goal, not winning a sales war.seanmcloughlin

Nintendo is niche just like Apple makes niche computers. Dealwithit.

So Niche that they created some of the best handhelds the world has ever seen, or some of the best selling consoles around. Yep tooootally niche

Nintendo console are generally not big sellers in the last 20 years. Wii fluked to success and now Nintendo is struggling move consoles again. Handhelds have nothing to do with this so don't try add that in when you got owned.

#86 Posted by OldSnakePS3 (310 posts) -

ninty sold out to the soccer moms and grammas 

it made them rich but it cost them the core gamers 

now they make a "core" system that nobody wants and the moms and grammas dont need another gimmick :lol:

#87 Posted by StrongBlackVine (8418 posts) -

So WiiU is being skipped for most major titles due to it being a niche market?

 

Do you mean like dance and Fitness games?  And not really core market?

Jankarcop

Niche for me in this case means htat if you don't like Mario and Zelda you have no reason to buy one. Even if you don't like M$ or Sony exclusives they have plenty of 3rd party to support to make it a worthwhile purchase.

#88 Posted by StrongBlackVine (8418 posts) -

ninty sold out to the soccer moms and grammas 

it made them rich but it cost them the core gamers 

now they make a "core" system that nobody wants and the moms and grammas dont need another gimmick :lol:

OldSnakePS3

Wii U is harldy a core system with tech from 2007.

#89 Posted by Rattlesnake_8 (18414 posts) -
If you want to play Mario you buy a WiiU. If you want to play anything else you buy another system.
#90 Posted by clr84651 (5446 posts) -

So WiiU is being skipped for most major titles due to it being a niche market?

 

Do you mean like dance and Fitness games?  And not really core market?

Jankarcop

The Wii U is being skipped due to it lacking in sales & lacking in truly being a next gen system hardwarewise & it's directed at a different aucience than people who  buy PS & xbox. Why would people buy the Wii U with so few games, current gen hardware, & has a stupid gamepad controller?! People can buy a 360 or PS3 that are better than the Wii U and have huge game libraries. The reason people buy new systems is for them to be technically advanced and have many new games to play on it. Nintendo F'd up big time. 

#91 Posted by super600 (30657 posts) -

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

So WiiU is being skipped for most major titles due to it being a niche market?

 

Do you mean like dance and Fitness games?  And not really core market?

clr84651

The Wii U is being skipped due to it lacking in sales & lacking in truly being a next gen system hardwarewise & it's directed at a different aucience than people who  buy PS & xbox. Why would people buy the Wii U with so few games, current gen hardware, & has a stupid gamepad controller?! People can buy a 360 or PS3 that are better than the Wii U and have huge game libraries. The reason people buy new systems is for them to be technically advanced and have many new games to play on it. Nintendo F'd up big time. 

No one knows how powerful it is, but it is stronger than the 360 and PS3.

#92 Posted by StrongBlackVine (8418 posts) -

[QUOTE="clr84651"]

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

So WiiU is being skipped for most major titles due to it being a niche market?

 

Do you mean like dance and Fitness games?  And not really core market?

super600

The Wii U is being skipped due to it lacking in sales & lacking in truly being a next gen system hardwarewise & it's directed at a different aucience than people who  buy PS & xbox. Why would people buy the Wii U with so few games, current gen hardware, & has a stupid gamepad controller?! People can buy a 360 or PS3 that are better than the Wii U and have huge game libraries. The reason people buy new systems is for them to be technically advanced and have many new games to play on it. Nintendo F'd up big time. 

No one knows how powerful it is, but it is stronger than the 360 and PS3.

That isn't saying much...again.

#93 Posted by clr84651 (5446 posts) -

[QUOTE="clr84651"]

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

So WiiU is being skipped for most major titles due to it being a niche market?

 

Do you mean like dance and Fitness games?  And not really core market?

super600

The Wii U is being skipped due to it lacking in sales & lacking in truly being a next gen system hardwarewise & it's directed at a different aucience than people who  buy PS & xbox. Why would people buy the Wii U with so few games, current gen hardware, & has a stupid gamepad controller?! People can buy a 360 or PS3 that are better than the Wii U and have huge game libraries. The reason people buy new systems is for them to be technically advanced and have many new games to play on it. Nintendo F'd up big time. 

No one knows how powerful it is, but it is stronger than the 360 and PS3.

The point is it's no where nearly powerful enough to make people want it & so few games & it's nowhere near as powerful as PS4. 

#94 Posted by StrongBlackVine (8418 posts) -

If you want to play Mario you buy a WiiU. If you want to play anything else you buy another system.Rattlesnake_8

Exactly...niche market...Mario Market...whatever.

#95 Posted by clr84651 (5446 posts) -

[QUOTE="Rattlesnake_8"]If you want to play Mario you buy a WiiU. If you want to play anything else you buy another system.StrongBlackVine

Exactly...niche market...Mario Market...whatever.

Niche market, hardly any games, barely more powerful ?!

#96 Posted by nameless12345 (15125 posts) -

[QUOTE="Rattlesnake_8"]If you want to play Mario you buy a WiiU. If you want to play anything else you buy another system.StrongBlackVine

Exactly...niche market...Mario Market...whatever.

 

Yeah, Mario is niche despite being the most recognizable video game character and sitting at the top of best-selling video game franchises... :P

#97 Posted by StrongBlackVine (8418 posts) -

[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

[QUOTE="Rattlesnake_8"]If you want to play Mario you buy a WiiU. If you want to play anything else you buy another system.nameless12345

Exactly...niche market...Mario Market...whatever.

 

Yeah, Mario is niche despite being the most recognizable video game character and sitting at the top of best-selling video game franchises... :P

Compare Sony console sales to Nintendo console sales since the PS1 was released...

#98 Posted by MonsieurX (30221 posts) -

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

Exactly...niche market...Mario Market...whatever.

StrongBlackVine

 

Yeah, Mario is niche despite being the most recognizable video game character and sitting at the top of best-selling video game franchises... :P

Compare Sony console sales to Nintendo console sales since the PS1 was released...

wat?
#99 Posted by clr84651 (5446 posts) -

Nintendo went about the Wii U in all the wrong ways. They screwed up worse with it than Sony did with PS3 by far. I really don't get how Nintendo came up with the Wii U as a viable successor to the Wii? Hardly any games, bad idea on controls, & not powerful enough to be what people would expect for the next gen of consoles. 

#100 Posted by Jankarcop (9515 posts) -

If you want to play Mario you buy a WiiU. If you want to play anything else you buy another system.Rattlesnake_8

oh wow bummer,

 

 

so its not a real next gen system like PS4 and XBOX720?

Will it not get titles like Witcher3, CyberPunk, and Dark Souls 2, Destiny, etc.?  Wow I dont think im buying one.