This is what I LOVE about PC GAMING Hardware that Consoles can only dream of....

First time I hear of this.

Lto_thaG

It's pretty old. News of this came out pretty soon after the 69xx cards were released. Still awesome though. Although I did hear that unlocking to 6970 and then OCing more is stupid.

waste of money

PCs are for... IN ORDER

Music/getting music

Interwebs

Facebook

Starcraft 2

School

Internet Games

PC Games

mejiseike

You mean PCs running Mac OS? :D

[QUOTE="mejiseike"]

waste of money

PCs are for... IN ORDER

Music/getting music

Interwebs

Facebook

Starcraft 2

School

Internet Games

PC Games

rpgs_shall_rule

You mean PCs running Mac OS? :D

no windows 7... there would be no gaming if it were a mac :) lol

and school would probly move up.... i would love to have a macbook pro!!

See what I LOVE about console gaming is I can just put the game in and it auto-updates and plays. I have no idea what the **** you are talking about in the OP and I don't care. I have no interested in modding or updating or any of that. I just want to play the game.

See what I LOVE about console gaming is I can just put the game in and it auto-updates and plays. I have no idea what the **** you are talking about in the OP and I don't care. I have no interested in modding or updating or any of that. I just want to play the game.

SpideR_CentS

pc games have had auto-updates for quite some time now.

And would'nt you want the choice of mods + free content as opposed to not having the choice?

[QUOTE="SpideR_CentS"]

See what I LOVE about console gaming is I can just put the game in and it auto-updates and plays. I have no idea what the **** you are talking about in the OP and I don't care. I have no interested in modding or updating or any of that. I just want to play the game.

Jankarcop

pc games have had auto-updates for quite some time now.

And would'nt you want the choice of mods + free content as opposed to not having the choice?

Meh, I play games to have fun, graphics and resolution aren't at the top of my list when I'm playing a game, it's story and gameplay.MushroomWig

I like having all of that at :)

have fun when it explodes.AiurProtoss

...and why would it do that? Have been using it for a month with no issues what so ever. Operates just like a XFX HD 6970. AMD basically took a HD 6970 and locked it to a HD 6950. I guess they forgot the part about "hard locking" the 6950's so that people can't flash it.

and its working fine under stress TC? maybe i should try flashing my 5850 with a 5870 bios. .....er then again maybe not for now at least.osan0

Yep. Working like a charm. It's just like a XFX HD 6970 which if I had brought it would have been cost me $100 more.

okay then... when are people going to realize pc and console gamers do the exact same thing? they just sit on their butts and play videogames i don't see the difference..

Chris_Williams

And have fun with all the new games that will now run and previously couldn't. Oh, wait ...

KiZZo1

I can now run Crysis and Crysis Warhead in FULL HD 1080P and get silky smooth frames. Also, those DX 11 effects and tesselation look gorgeous in Dirt 2. Dirt 2 easilly beats out GT5 in graphics with DX 11 + tesselation.

okay then... when are people going to realize pc and console gamers do the exact same thing?

Chris_Williams

No they don't do the same thing. Can I play Modern Warfare 2, Black Ops, in FULL HD 1080P? The list of games on the consoles that can't do FULL HD 1080P+ is over 200+ titles if not more. It's quite a rap sheet. Not to mention they have those horrible jagged edges while PC's can do 16X FSAA with 16X Anistrophic Filtering. Can consoles do the gorgeous DX 11 effects with tesselation in Dirt 2 and in Metro 2033? Didn't think so.

PC's romp ALL OVER the consoles in the graphics department and in exclusives.

[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"]

okay then... when are people going to realize pc and console gamers do the exact same thing?

Xtasy26

No they don't do the same thing. Can I play Modern Warfare 2, Black Ops, in FULL HD 1080P? The list of games on the consoles that can't do FULL HD 1080P+ is over 200+ titles if not more. It's quite a rap sheet. Can consoles do the gorgeous DX 11 effects with tesselation in Dirt 2 and in Metro 2033? Didn't think so.

PC's romp ALL OVER the consoles in the graphics department and in exclusives.

[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"]

okay then... when are people going to realize pc and console gamers do the exact same thing?

Xtasy26

No they don't do the same thing. Can I play Modern Warfare 2, Black Ops, in FULL HD 1080P? The list of games on the consoles that can't do FULL HD 1080P+ is over 200+ titles if not more. It's quite a rap sheet. Not to mention they have those horrible jagged edges while PC's can do 16X FSAA with 16X Anistrophic Filtering. Can consoles do the gorgeous DX 11 effects with tesselation in Dirt 2 and in Metro 2033? Didn't think so.

PC's romp ALL OVER the consoles in the graphics department and in exclusives.

No they don't do the same thing. Can I play Modern Warfare 2, Black Ops, in FULL HD 1080P? The list of games on the consoles that can't do FULL HD 1080P+ is over 200+ titles if not more. It's quite a rap sheet. Not to mention they have those horrible jagged edges while PC's can do 16X FSAA with 16X Anistrophic Filtering. Can consoles do the gorgeous DX 11 effects with tesselation in Dirt 2 and in Metro 2033? Didn't think so.

PC's romp ALL OVER the consoles in the graphics department and in exclusives.

Xtasy26

...with the exception of Black Ops. Oh, wow, was the PS3 version bad. But really, other than that, I'm good.

[QUOTE="Xtasy26"]

No they don't do the same thing. Can I play Modern Warfare 2, Black Ops, in FULL HD 1080P? The list of games on the consoles that can't do FULL HD 1080P+ is over 200+ titles if not more. It's quite a rap sheet. Not to mention they have those horrible jagged edges while PC's can do 16X FSAA with 16X Anistrophic Filtering. Can consoles do the gorgeous DX 11 effects with tesselation in Dirt 2 and in Metro 2033? Didn't think so.

PC's romp ALL OVER the consoles in the graphics department and in exclusives.

lowe0

...with the exception of Black Ops. Oh, wow, was the PS3 version bad. But really, other than that, I'm good.

Of course if you've got a smaller screen perhaps it's not as noticeable.

Thats pretty need. Can I mod by 5870 into a 6950 ? :PPPPP

Is this even legal?alexside1

Why not? It's your property with which you can do whatever you want.

[QUOTE="Xtasy26"]

No they don't do the same thing. Can I play Modern Warfare 2, Black Ops, in FULL HD 1080P? The list of games on the consoles that can't do FULL HD 1080P+ is over 200+ titles if not more. It's quite a rap sheet. Not to mention they have those horrible jagged edges while PC's can do 16X FSAA with 16X Anistrophic Filtering. Can consoles do the gorgeous DX 11 effects with tesselation in Dirt 2 and in Metro 2033? Didn't think so.

PC's romp ALL OVER the consoles in the graphics department and in exclusives.

lowe0

...with the exception of Black Ops. Oh, wow, was the PS3 version bad. But really, other than that, I'm good.

Actually the difference is quite significant. Going from 720P to 1080P is over 1+ million pixels? You don't think 1 million pixels is SIGNIFICANT? Most consoles games have horrible AA like 2X FSAA. With PC's you could 16X FSAA and 16X anistrophic filtering. Gaming in 1080P with 16X FSAA and 16X Anistrophic Filtering is a NIGHT and DAY difference especially if you have a big screen TV like a I do 50"+ or higher where playing games in low resoluiton like 720P with low FSAA makes the game look worse on a bigger screen.

Thanks for the info. No sarcasm or anything. Is there somewhere one could read up on this procedure? Does it work across all 6950's? Has AMD commented on this?McStrongfast

It works on prettty much all 6950's. Techpowerup actually has a list of the different brands and the success rate of BIOS flashing as well as how to do it. The procedure is quite smple.

http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/overclocking/vidcard/159

Some manufacturers like Gigabyte, Daimond, HIS, Visiontek all have 100% record doing this.

[QUOTE="lowe0"]

[QUOTE="Xtasy26"]

No they don't do the same thing. Can I play Modern Warfare 2, Black Ops, in FULL HD 1080P? The list of games on the consoles that can't do FULL HD 1080P+ is over 200+ titles if not more. It's quite a rap sheet. Not to mention they have those horrible jagged edges while PC's can do 16X FSAA with 16X Anistrophic Filtering. Can consoles do the gorgeous DX 11 effects with tesselation in Dirt 2 and in Metro 2033? Didn't think so.

PC's romp ALL OVER the consoles in the graphics department and in exclusives.

Xtasy26

...with the exception of Black Ops. Oh, wow, was the PS3 version bad. But really, other than that, I'm good.

Actually the difference is quite significant. Going from 720P to 1080P is over 1+ million pixels? You don't think 1 million pixels is SIGNIFICANT? Most consoles games have horrible AA like 2X FSAA. With PC's you could 16X FSAA and 16X anistrophic filtering. Gaming in 1080P with 16X FSAA and 16X Anistrophic Filtering is a NIGHT and DAY difference especially if you have a big screen TV like a I do 50"+ or higher where playing games in low resoluiton like 720P with low FSAA makes the game look worse on a bigger screen.

Where did you bring your Lambourghini?

Man I wish I could bring a Lambourghini.

why does it hurt your feelings so much that people enjoy console gaming or god forbid prefer it?:?

Graphics is about 5% of your enjoyment, and in my opinion it's not worth the effort to learn how to do this stuff or buy it.

[QUOTE="Blacklight2"][QUOTE="R3FURBISHED"]

I've never bought that a reason for PC gaming -- modding and overclocking and whatnot. Did installing Natural Mod 2009 for STALKER make it more enjoyable and much better looking experience? Sure, but just being able to chill on my couch and play my 360 or PS3 makes them the more immediate choice for me.

But thats just me.

R3FURBISHED

1. I'm not lugging my full tower into my living room and hooking it up to my TV.
2. I cannot "relax" and play a PC game, I have to be sitting up straight in my chair and playing.
3. I may prefer the controller over keyboard/mouse but I cannot play PC games without them -- last time I tried a console controller with PC game was Halo: Combat Evolved back in 2003 and it didn't work. Kinda bizarro there, but it is what it is

PC and consoles are too diferent of beasts for me. Plus, my PC is always going to be a computer before a video game player...even if I built mine with gaming in mind.

Both of my gaming laptop and external graphics card** are portable.

**DIY ViDock http://forum.notebookreview.com/gaming-software-graphics-cards/418851-diy-vidock-experiences.html

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A semi-portable gaming PC can be built from Shuttle Form Factor(SFF) i.e. Intel Core i5/i7(or AMD PII) + double slot GPU + 1X 1TB HD + BD-ROM.

[QUOTE="AiurProtoss"]have fun when it explodes.Xtasy26

...and why would it do that? Have been using it for a month with no issues what so ever. Operates just like a XFX HD 6970. AMD basically took a HD 6970 and locked it to a HD 6950. I guess they forgot the part about "hard locking" the 6950's so that people can't flash it.

AMD didn't forget about "hard locking" i.e. refer to Radeon HD 69X0's dual BIOS feature. The limit is the power supply and power connector issues.

Some 6950 includes 6970's 8 pin + 6 pin power connectors. 6950's (~225 watts) 6 pin power + 6 pin power connectors could be an issue i.e. additional load on the power rails when running 6970 mode.

[QUOTE="osan0"]and its working fine under stress TC? maybe i should try flashing my 5850 with a 5870 bios. .....er then again maybe not for now at least.Xtasy26

Yep. Working like a charm. It's just like a XFX HD 6970 which if I had brought it would have been cost me $100 more.

[QUOTE="Wii4Fun"]

[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"]

okay then... when are people going to realize pc and console gamers do the exact same thing? they just sit on their butts and play videogames i don't see the difference..

AncientDozer

LOL.

So true.

Do you know the name of this sub-forum?... your arguements seems kinda pointless.

If a systems games all look better, run better, and have mods - you can bet the fans of the system will brag.

People do that about every detail here.

I'm tired of arguing with facts against people who near-sighted or totally blind for that matter.

Lets leave at this; if you like being tied down and able to play games; Play on a Console.

If you like having control of your things, able to play games, and have the largest amount of variety in gaming; Play on a PC.

Millions of $$$ in Marketing Does Not = A Good Game.

You can play on your PC with a controller and on TV while sitting on your nice couch.

I was successful in influencing my "close-minded" friend into getting a PC, after he was throwing a bunch of random, non-backed opinions, quite the same as many console-only gamers on System Wars. But Since then, his PS3 hasn't turned on, he sold his 360, and has been playing on his PC 24/7.ShadowDeathX

It's too bad that he'll be missing out on a ton of great games that aren't coming out to PC. I would've kept at least either a 360 or a PS3 console as backup.

Edit: Never mind, he still has his PS3 system.

This is old news... I'm surprised ATI didn't fix it yet though.

[QUOTE="Wii4Fun"]

[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"]

okay then... when are people going to realize pc and console gamers do the exact same thing? they just sit on their butts and play videogames i don't see the difference..

AncientDozer

LOL.

So true.

[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]I'm tired of arguing with facts against people who near-sighted or totally blind for that matter.

Lets leave at this; if you like being tied down and able to play games; Play on a Console.

If you like having control of your things, able to play games, and have the largest amount of variety in gaming; Play on a PC.

Millions of $$$ in Marketing Does Not = A Good Game.

You can play on your PC with a controller and on TV while sitting on your nice couch.

I was successful in influencing my "close-minded" friend into getting a PC, after he was throwing a bunch of random, non-backed opinions, quite the same as many console-only gamers on System Wars. But Since then, he's PS3 hasn't turned on, he sold his 360, and has been playing on his PC 24/7.garland51

It's too bad that he'll be missing out on a ton of great games that aren't coming out to PC. I would've kept at least either a 360 or a PS3 console as backup.

[QUOTE="AncientDozer"][QUOTE="Wii4Fun"]

LOL.

So true.

Zaibach

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Wat, isn't there a high risk involved with that?Ringx55

But the priiiiiiiiiiize...

In all seriousness, not really. From what I know, the 6950 is essentially a 6970 downclocked to 6950 specs (with a slightly different PCB I think). Unlocking it to 6970 isn't that bad, but overclocking it further when it's not meant to support 6970 voltages and stuff is probably not a smart idea.

If you don't want to flash to 6970 specs, I believe there's a BIOS that just unlocks all the shaders.

[QUOTE="Xtasy26"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] Having seen the difference between PC and console first-hand on quite a few titles, I simply don't see the massive difference that you do. It's a nice increase, but not a deciding factor for me.

...with the exception of Black Ops. Oh, wow, was the PS3 version bad. But really, other than that, I'm good.

lowe0

Actually the difference is quite significant. Going from 720P to 1080P is over 1+ million pixels? You don't think 1 million pixels is SIGNIFICANT? Most consoles games have horrible AA like 2X FSAA. With PC's you could 16X FSAA and 16X anistrophic filtering. Gaming in 1080P with 16X FSAA and 16X Anistrophic Filtering is a NIGHT and DAY difference especially if you have a big screen TV like a I do 50"+ or higher where playing games in low resoluiton like 720P with low FSAA makes the game look worse on a bigger screen.

If you sit up close on a monitor going from 720P to 1080P is even more obvious. Even on a larger big screen it is more prevalent. Basically you are talking something in low rez such as 720P and blowing it up in a bigger screen like a 50"+ big screen.

[QUOTE="Xtasy26"]

[QUOTE="osan0"]and its working fine under stress TC? maybe i should try flashing my 5850 with a 5870 bios. .....er then again maybe not for now at least.ronvalencia

Yep. Working like a charm. It's just like a XFX HD 6970 which if I had brought it would have been cost me $100 more.

It is possible to do it on the modded ones too. You have to increase the voltage.

[QUOTE="Xtasy26"]

[QUOTE="AiurProtoss"]have fun when it explodes.ronvalencia

...and why would it do that? Have been using it for a month with no issues what so ever. Operates just like a XFX HD 6970. AMD basically took a HD 6970 and locked it to a HD 6950. I guess they forgot the part about "hard locking" the 6950's so that people can't flash it.

AMD didn't forget about "hard locking" i.e. refer to Radeon HD 69X0's dual BIOS feature. The limit is the power supply and power connector issues.

Some 6950 includes 6970's 8 pin + 6 pin power connectors. 6950's (~225 watts) 6 pin power + 6 pin power connectors could be an issue i.e. additional load on the power rails when running 6970 mode.

There's rumors about them "hard locking" in the future.

I didn't understand any of the technical stuff in the OP.

I was half expecting a thread making fun of RROD and YLOD. Blabadon

why does it hurt your feelings so much that people enjoy console gaming or god forbid prefer it?:?

Zaibach

No, why would it hurt my feelings? I have a superiour platform that is far more flexible than consoles. :?

Guess what PC elitists you and wii players ar eon the same footing, youre both playing games, get over yourselves

Zaibach

Some of us don't want to "play games" in consoles lame 720P instead of playing games in FULL HD 1080P. Just like people prefer to watch movies in Blu-ray 1080P instead of watching movies in DVD.

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Xtasy26"]

Actually the difference is quite significant. Going from 720P to 1080P is over 1+ million pixels? You don't think 1 million pixels is SIGNIFICANT? Most consoles games have horrible AA like 2X FSAA. With PC's you could 16X FSAA and 16X anistrophic filtering. Gaming in 1080P with 16X FSAA and 16X Anistrophic Filtering is a NIGHT and DAY difference especially if you have a big screen TV like a I do 50"+ or higher where playing games in low resoluiton like 720P with low FSAA makes the game look worse on a bigger screen.

If you sit up close on a monitor going from 720P to 1080P is even more obvious. Even on a larger big screen it is more prevalent. Basically you are talking something in low rez such as 720P and blowing it up in a bigger screen like a 50"+ big screen.