The whole DRM thing on the Xbox One is being overblown

[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"][QUOTE="NathanDrakeSwag"]

Do you think M$ would ever have sales like Steam does?

littlestreakier

I remember reading somewhere that they want XboxOne to be like Steam on steroids.  They also want to have sales like steam, that's one of their main goals. I'm going to let them prove that to me first though, I'm not going to be a day one supporter of it just on a hunch that this is what they will do...

[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"][QUOTE="NathanDrakeSwag"]

Do you think M$ would ever have sales like Steam does?

littlestreakier

I remember reading somewhere that they want XboxOne to be like Steam on steroids.  They also want to have sales like steam, that's one of their main goals. I'm going to let them prove that to me first though, I'm not going to be a day one supporter of it just on a hunch that this is what they will do...

As discussd in another thread, MS has no incentives to have sales like Steam.  They might lower the prices somewhat, but now where near Steam levels.  Especially not if they plan on bringing in royalties for each game sold.

No matter how good or bad something Microsoft does is: people will hate. Even if they do something that appears to be good people will make theories about Microsoft's World domination or something. People ALWAYS expect something bad from Microsoft.shadowchronicle

Come back when you have an argument to back up those hypothetical assumptions. 

"The whole DRM thing on the Xbox One is being overblown"

Seems to me that they are reacting like they should, the Xbox dOnes drm is way to agressive.

Guess what, discs aren't digital.McStrongfast

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="heeweesRus"]

qq moar

call_of_duty_10

You shouldn't be talking dude.

I don't like the DRM stuff either even though I can deal with it.MS has only revealed a part of their plan.They haven't revealed everything about how used games and the DRM works on the console yet.

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="NathanDrakeSwag"]

Look at shills like super600 try to defend M$. No shame at all.

Heil68

I said if the drm is not an anoyance to the consumer it's fine. In it's present form it's a giant annoyance,And reveal your real account dude.

Like I said in it's present form it's a giant annoyance for most people. I think MS still has more info to reveal about their DRM and used game policy.

My biggest issue is you can't play your game offline....simple reason to not buy this console. That is not overblown for me personally, it is a valid reason to not want to spend hundreds when I can get another box that plays almost all the same games for less money with no online requirements. Not a difficult decision.nightshade869

Yes!I agree with this.

No... No it's not... Funny thing is listening to that moron Major Nelson, he says we wont ever let you not play your game even when the servers go down. Yet when asked why they simply couldn't just turn the DRM off he got all pissy and said it are you a developer? Like it was impossible.

[QUOTE="McStrongfast"]Guess what, discs aren't digital.AD216

Inb4 the cows posts.

If the drm is more consumer friendly it will be okay.MS has until november to fix the issues with the xbox one.

super600

You realize if for any reaason you're banned on Xbox live your games are done for right ? 

People want innovation, but they don't want change. Xbox One is a connected console. You may not have a physical disk but you have the benefits of playing your game on any Xbox One when you're signed into it. Also you friends can "borrow" your games from your virtual library from anywhere in the country. Let's not be afraid to move the gaming industry forward.GravityX

same people tout steam, which is basically the same thing other than the sign in 24 hours. Microsoft wants to go this route it is their choice, I respect the innovation and vision, they are trying to push us into the future and predictable you see the masses cry about the change. If you dont like it, dont but it, but the experience on xbox 1 is going to be 2nd to none.

People want innovation, but they don't want change. Xbox One is a connected console. You may not have a physical disk but you have the benefits of playing your game on any Xbox One when you're signed into it. Also you friends can "borrow" your games from your virtual library from anywhere in the country. Let's not be afraid to move the gaming industry forward.GravityX

[QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"][QUOTE="super600"]

You shouldn't be talking dude.

super600

I don't like the DRM stuff either even though I can deal with it.MS has only revealed a part of their plan.They haven't revealed everything about how used games and the DRM works on the console yet.

Least Xbox One has one thing over Steam....... You can sell your games to gamestop or another retailer supported by MS. 

edit- Not bashing steam it's a great service. 

[QUOTE="GravityX"]People want innovation, but they don't want change. Xbox One is a connected console. You may not have a physical disk but you have the benefits of playing your game on any Xbox One when you're signed into it. Also you friends can "borrow" your games from your virtual library from anywhere in the country. Let's not be afraid to move the gaming industry forward.Mr720fan

same people tout steam, which is basically the same thing other than the sign in 24 hours. Microsoft wants to go this route it is their choice, I respect the innovation and vision, they are trying to push us into the future and predictable you see the masses cry about the change. If you dont like it, dont but it, but the experience on xbox 1 is going to be 2nd to none.

You realize if for any reaason you're banned on Xbox live your games are done for right ? 

Joedgabe

[QUOTE="GravityX"]People want innovation, but they don't want change. Xbox One is a connected console. You may not have a physical disk but you have the benefits of playing your game on any Xbox One when you're signed into it. Also you friends can "borrow" your games from your virtual library from anywhere in the country. Let's not be afraid to move the gaming industry forward.Mr720fan

same people tout steam, which is basically the same thing other than the sign in 24 hours. Microsoft wants to go this route it is their choice, I respect the innovation and vision, they are trying to push us into the future and predictable you see the masses cry about the change. If you dont like it, dont but it, but the experience on xbox 1 is going to be 2nd to none.

[QUOTE="Joedgabe"]

You realize if for any reaason you're banned on Xbox live your games are done for right ? 

superclocked

[QUOTE="Joedgabe"]

You realize if for any reaason you're banned on Xbox live your games are done for right ? 

superclocked

Anyone who bought DLC on OG Xbox Live who can say if that's still accessible, allowed to be backed up or whatever?

[QUOTE="superclocked"][QUOTE="Joedgabe"]

You realize if for any reaason you're banned on Xbox live your games are done for right ? 

GravityX

[QUOTE="superclocked"][QUOTE="Joedgabe"]

You realize if for any reaason you're banned on Xbox live your games are done for right ? 

McStrongfast

Anyone who bought DLC on OG Xbox Live who can say if that's still accessible, allowed to be backed up or whatever?

Or like PS2 games. 

[QUOTE="GravityX"][QUOTE="superclocked"]Major Nelson said that you will not lose access to your games if you are banned from XBox Live...superclocked

[QUOTE="superclocked"][QUOTE="GravityX"] Well, don't get banned.GravityX

Not the single player part of your games. 

[QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

[QUOTE="GravityX"]People want innovation, but they don't want change. Xbox One is a connected console. You may not have a physical disk but you have the benefits of playing your game on any Xbox One when you're signed into it. Also you friends can "borrow" your games from your virtual library from anywhere in the country. Let's not be afraid to move the gaming industry forward.GravityX

same people tout steam, which is basically the same thing other than the sign in 24 hours. Microsoft wants to go this route it is their choice, I respect the innovation and vision, they are trying to push us into the future and predictable you see the masses cry about the change. If you dont like it, dont but it, but the experience on xbox 1 is going to be 2nd to none.

[QUOTE="GravityX"][QUOTE="superclocked"]I think that you should read that again...xhawk27

Not the single player part of your games. 

Yes, you do. If you get banned on Xbone you lose everything. The console turns into a brick.

[QUOTE="GravityX"][QUOTE="superclocked"]I think that you should read that again...xhawk27

Not the single player part of your games. 

[QUOTE="xhawk27"]

[QUOTE="GravityX"] Yeah, I think Major Nelson is mistaken, you will lose your games if you get banned.argetlam00

Not the single player part of your games. 

Yes, you do. If you get banned on Xbone you lose everything. The console turns into a brick.

Stop with the BS and Lies. They can't do that it's illegal. 

[QUOTE="GravityX"][QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

same people tout steam, which is basically the same thing other than the sign in 24 hours. Microsoft wants to go this route it is their choice, I respect the innovation and vision, they are trying to push us into the future and predictable you see the masses cry about the change. If you dont like it, dont but it, but the experience on xbox 1 is going to be 2nd to none.

McStrongfast

reguardless of how anyone buys their game, two consoles allow you to freely trade purchased games at the owners discretiion, the same way it has been since the inception of the modern day video game... one console does not....

if Microsoft wants to put its emphasis on digital distribution they should've been absolute about it.  Actively pestering and hindering a consumer about a feature that has been standard for 30 years is not valid and it is being done out of greed and not out of protection or love of the consumer. 

I'd like to congratulate MS on attempting to build a console around the success of steam... I hope they have sales and offer all the benefits that go along with a pricing structure to that of steam.  That doesnt explain why choosing to play trade and borrow or even sell a disk sould be such a bitch slap.... gamers won't stand for that.

In Soviet XBox, game own you.

Shewgenja

[QUOTE="McStrongfast"]

[QUOTE="GravityX"] Yeah that 24 hr check in blown out of proportion too. You have to sign into Steam, however the with Xbox One simply checks if your online. I thinks it's just a quick ping to the console. Any in my case my console is always connected via WiFi and i'm sure a lot of you have it set up like this as well, so I don't know what the big idea is.GravityX

If Microsoft wants to say "f*** you people and your money" then that's Microsoft's prerogative.
"F*** Poland and Portugal for some reason".
"F*** the army too."

People have already been supporting DRM by buying games digitally. So that means the PS3 and Xbox 360 already has had and been supporting full DRM. When you buy a game on the Ipad or other Smartphone guess what? You download it digitally so therefor there is no trading or selling the game you just bought. That is the case for every device that has digital downloads.

This whole thing is being way overblown! I can't believe people are actually trying to use that as a negative towards the Xbox One it's just stupid. If people were really that concerned about DRM why just now start complaining about it? It just makes no sense to bash the Xbox One for it.

whitetiger3521

no

Uhm a lot of people don't buy games online? I only buy indie games online. Who does it benefit?The_Last_Ride

Same here

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"] No,he should talk. YOU are the one who shouldn't talk,shill!How much is M$ paying you anyway?FIipMode

I don't like the DRM stuff either even though I can deal with it.MS has only revealed a part of their plan.They haven't revealed everything about how used games and the DRM works on the console yet.

Major nelson will be answering people's questions before the console launches.They will also talk about the console more before it launches.

[QUOTE="tdkmillsy"]The 24 hour check in is to allow you to install the game, not require the disk again and share with your friends. As soon as you can run without disk you need some form of protection. I for one agree the DRM is well over bashed and given the choice I'd take the DRM in its current state over needing disks and not being able to share with friends With them playing at same time as me (1 at a time plus me). menes777

I think they should combine the DRMs.  Have the 24 hour check if you don't have the disc in.  But if you have the disc than it doesn't need the online verification.  That fixes it for everyone.  Either you deal with discs or you have the internet.

Obvious thing to do would be to make the installing process optional and make that the action which turns your discbased game into a digital one. Don't install and you can do whatever you want with the disc, give, trade, sell, lend, put on head etc, the disc is always in the tray and acts as verification. But since the license is not tied to your account you won't get any of the benefits associated with that.

That's being designed for flexibility, Major Nelson, you silly man.

The only potential downside would be if it has a negative impact on loading/streaming. I'd imagine not really, 6xblu-ray is up to 36mb per second and all consoles will have a hard drive for caching, or if it just goes straight to RAM now that there's a bit more of it. Average 2.5" HDD transfer rate seems to be 37.5mb per second. I'm not a very technical talking guy.

[QUOTE="nightshade869"]My biggest issue is you can't play your game offline....simple reason to not buy this console. That is not overblown for me personally, it is a valid reason to not want to spend hundreds when I can get another box that plays almost all the same games for less money with no online requirements. Not a difficult decision.superclocked

For me its purely the fact that the xbox one is so corporate focused and publisher focues that it is very unfriendly for the concumer by making us jump through hooops just to play our games. I paid for it, I shouldnt have to jump through any hoops or have to put up with any of it. So for me its about the total disregard for the customer.

After all the DRM scandal and all microsoft has to say is "deal with it" or they try and explain why all of their screwing of the customer is ok because they can rationalize it.

After that came to whole "The idea of ownership is morphing" where they explained why and told us why we wont really be owning our games and products. Essentially saying that its ok for us to share ownership of a product we buy with them.

I will not support a company that thinks and acts like that

For me its purely the fact that the xbox one is so corporate focused and publisher focues that it is very unfriendly for the concumer by making us jump through hooops just to play our games. I paid for it, I shouldnt have to jump through any hoops or have to put up with any of it. So for me its about the total disregard for the customer.

 

After all the DRM scandal and all microsoft has to say is "deal with it" or they try and explain why all of their screwing of the customer is ok because they can rationalize it.

 

After that came to whole "The idea of ownership is morphing" where they explained why and told us why we wont really be owning our games and products. Essentially saying that its ok for us to share ownership of a product we buy with them.

 

I will not support a company that thinks and acts like that

Gargus