The struggle that is PC gaming...

So you're going to believe a guy who was lying on a gaming forum over factual analysis by Digital Foundry?

Game not working...hours of installing...And $2,000? You can stop with the early 2000's talking point lies.

Oh noes... 4 games out of 352 sitting in my library have issues! PC gaming sucks!

nice troll thread btw :)

@Gue1 said:

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Out of the 4 PC games I have I had to google for fixes to 3 of them.

-Metal Gear Rising for for some reason upscales to 1080p when I activate any kind of AA. My TV is 768p native and even though it supports 1080p inputs because is not native it makes everything looks worse.

-Deus Ex HR Director's Cut has multiple issues with Nvidia cards in general and no matter the frame-rate there is judder everywhere to the point the game's unplayable unless you go to regedit to change the value of "Thread Optimization" to 0 to disable it completely. And even then, the judder is not gone, only reduced. Vsync like with every PC game causes a lot of lag too but if you disable it the frame-rate goes crazy over 100 frames. And this is only the tip of the iceberg of the multiple issues present in game alone...

-Now Ground Zeroes has this issue that it crashes at startup that I have still not been able to solve but it seems pretty widespread. https://steamcommunity.com/app/311340/discussions/0/619574421284555292/#p1

-Batman Arkham Asylum is the only one that did not give me any issues. It's a bit laggy with Vsync enabled though but since the idiots capped the game at 62 instead of 60 then it's pretty much mandatory for the sake of both: screen tear and judder.

Seriously, how can you herms give up consoles for this shit? All 4 of them maxed out don't even look that much better than the console versions to begin with. And not to mention that games like Batman, that weren't made for 60fps are not only just as laggy as 30fps on consoles but animations don't even look right. It's like the game is interpolated instead of real 60fps. And I say this because the difference between Batman and Rising when it comes to frame-rate and smoothness are astronomical.

this reminds me of battlefield 3 on my ps3, it crashed every 2 hours for all the life after so many patches, also the sound was on only 50% of the time, nothing wrong with my brand new ps3, it was a wide spread ps3 issue on bf3

i also remenber constant crashes on my wii games and also constant crashes on any PS2 game with decent graphics or big sandbox world

You've got to take the good with the bad. PC gaming is more of a hassle and can lead to a lot of frustration, but at it's best it's a far superior experience to what you find on consoles. It's up to the individual to decide whether it's worth the hassle or not.

those are overtly bias against PC games....

You would expect gaming journalist to own each console, a pc, OS, android, virtual reality......so they can give a well rounded opinion. They don't

@stuff238: Don't know who you've been talking too but unless you intentionally trying to mod a game, or crack it so you don't have to pay for it, there is literally nothing else needed besides your hardware's drivers, windows with DirectX 10-11 or an equivalent API installed though games generally have both in file. As well as the game (and in some cases a steam like service). You make it sound harder then it is, when all the answers and fixes are literally on the first page Google pops up as long as you search the right keywords.

Don't play pirated games.

Never had problems while playing them on my sub-par gaming rig when it was working, except for DE:HR DC, cos I played the original, not the Director's cut.

Not that I'm saying that there's no problem in PC gaming(All platforms have problems), but most of the time it's the developer's fault, not the end-user's fault.

Yeah because Console games never crash. :|

Look, you can run into issues with PC gaming just as much as Console Gaming. Recently I decided to get Fallout 3 on Steam and found some issues. First the game seems to want Games for Windows live as it's now defunct. Google searching led me to find that their is a mod for this and disables the GFWL from the game. Then setting the game for XP compatibility fixed the rest. After that it wall all learning how to mod and configure. PC gaming it more technical if you want it to be. If I just wanted the game to work then I would have been done at disabling GFWL, but I continued so I could use mods to make the the game so much better. After playing a bit the weather mod alone is worth it. I loved being in megaton during a rainstorm and hearing the thunder booming and the rain. Also loved how it adjusted to when I was indoors and sounded correct then.

We live in the days of Google searching, where you can find solutions to most issues very shortly (especially on old games, you can find whole forums about it).

I'm not criticizing on anyone who would rather just get the vanilla game to work and get on playing. I'm just saying you are rewarded for a little extra work that some quick Google searches would help you solve it.

EDIT* But I worked for a PC repair store for a while only just having our Store leave our town due to a stupid lease recently and am not anymore, and I do understand many people just don't have the intellect and just don't know how to read and follow directions. I can't even tell you how many people don't even know how to work the basics of windows let alone get a game working other than hitting install. ALOT of people don't even know how to get to the control panel or IE settings. Most of these people also have a hard time working a game console or even a blu ray player to update it's firmware for playing the latest movies.

My point it is you can learn to fix this stuff or you can be ignorant about it and fail to learn. I'm not bashing consoles either, I have all of them and they have many good merits as well and most of these people even fail to work these machines. What I am frustrated about is society and it's people that are completely devoid of intelligence and the unwillingness to learn something new.

This a 100 times.

I've been playing TLOU Remastered back in the summer and my PS4 would randomly turn off.

Quick google search revealed 2 possible solutions:

1. Don't play for too long.

2. Get a new PS4 ( if problem persists go to option 1 ).

Like, what the actual ****?

This. TC must be doing something wrong.

The last time I remember having a crash was when trying to boot Skyrim with some conflicting mods and then having to sift through about 50 of them to find the conflict.

TC. Get some anti-virus and anti-malware software.

I don't have issues on any sort of a large scale, nor does anybody who keeps the basic level of maintenance on their PCs, understands their PC's capabilities, and buys legitimate copies of their games.

PCs are extremely easy to keep up on yet the people who have these kind of problems always fail to do so. Simply keeping up with the drivers, keeping up with basic Windows updates, and actually buying the games instead of pirating them is going to result in a mostly smooth experience. Issues do crop up, but that comes down to a game-by-game basis and are usually addressed pretty quickly.

Of course if you choose to play nothing but Kickstarted betas, early access titles, or just betas for games, you're going to have a lot of very rocky experiences.

Console gaming is getting further and further away from plug and play. You can't just insert the disk and have full access to a game now. You have to install the game to the device's limited HDD and install day 1 patches and updates to get online...plus you have the online gaming charge on the PS4 and Xboxone.

Still easier then building a gaming pc and doing the work yourself, but it's far from plug and play now a days.

I've had a bunch of crashes/errors with multiple PS4 games. Most recently was FFXIV, but before that was Dying Light/Far Cry 4/Dragon Age Inquisition/Assassin's Creed Unity/Lords of the Fallen.

You should check the error history on that thing, because it's hilarious. Shit, it even shows when you can't login to PSN due to "maintenance."

@Gue1: Out of 198 steam games and a god knows how many more outside of steam i have the last 10-12 years for PC ... Very very very few times i had errors and craps like that.

How is possible for you to have 4 games and out of 4 , 3 of them having problems ...is beyond me when i got almost 200 on steam alone with zero problems with windows 8 ( not even 8.1 let alone 7 ) as of now.

Its either you trolling or you dont own the original copies of games. IF some games having problems its not because of PCs , more likely because of their studios side. Dont forget how many fixes consoles games had the last few years as well thru patching. That doesnt mean that consoles are problematic ...

Never had a problem with any of those games. The last game that gave me issues was Lords of the Fallen at launch with random CTD's but that was fixed soon after.

Edit: Also as others have said Ground Zeroes runs flawlessly for me too, it's a good example of a port done well.

He's pure trolling. Look at his past posts.

After The Order flopped, he's gone into meltdown mode and is going around making up lies.

Here is a Digital Foundry quote on Ground Zeroes:

Having proven its technical mettle on console already, Ground Zeroes on PC continues a very strong run for Kojima's latest. Rather than rest on its laurels with fixed, console-grade graphics, it caters to most needs with a string of worthwhile visual upgrades. The boldest of these is its broadened object LODs and added lights - each pushing past what's possible on PS4 - and only slightly let down by a missing option to run above 60fps. With so many options to hand, this ranks as a very clean, solid conversion.

But without a doubt the most impressive part is its scalability. The game looks superb on its default settings and the notion of getting 60fps gameplay from entry-level enthusiast graphics cards at HD resolutions is highly commendable. At just 3GB in size, Ground Zeroes is a nimble and polished sample of the Fox Engine on PC - it takes the excellent PlayStation 4 game and provides enough in the way of upgrades to make us eagerly await a more thorough work-out for the technology in The Phantom Pain.

Man, guess I'm just lucky. I always hear these PC horror stories on on gaming forums, but never experience them for myself. It's only when I go crazy with tons of mods that issues arise. Even then, it's a quick fix to get things back to normal.

More specifically, Ground Zeroes? I've run the game on workstation GPUs, beastly gaming rigs, complete pos laptops... all sorts of different hardware configs, never seen an issue. Really, that game runs well on just about anything, I have no idea wtf you could be doing wrong.

as a pc gamer I admit it, pc gaming is buggy as hell

Sometimes I wonder why I ever bothered to start posting in this forum. If, like me, you're one of the millions around the world that buy PC games legitimately, it's highly unlikely that you'll ever have any serious issues running them these days. The OP is clearly a troll and I'm pretty sure he/she posted a screenshot of an error from someone who'd pirated Ground Zeroes, particularly given the fact that it's one of the most flawless PC ports for years.

I think I've had one game crash since I got my new PC a year ago. Obviously, that game was BF4. Perhaps OP needs help using a computer.

Name one system that gets as many aaa/aa/a as PC or the best version of almost all multiplats.

Nah, a 386 with a turbo button. Monster.

Been a PC gamer for just over a year and not had any problems with any normal games. Only had issues with Skyrim conflicting mods and Fallout 3/New Vegas again because of installing conflicting mods.

No, I was not aware you could smoke crack out of a pop can thanks for sharing.

You can get a very capable PC for under a grand.

Though I agree it's nice that consoles just work. Plug and play, even though now patches are usually mandatory. I'll usually always get the console version first and then buy the PC version later on the cheap to take advantage of mods and slight performance bumps. Mods are where the value lies for me in PC gaming. That and M/KB which benefits genres like FPSes and RTSes.

There isn't really any struggle, just stupid TCs.

Yeah, you're not fooling anyone.

Looking at some of these replies, holy shit console gamers are you all under the age of 18? Ya PC gamers also love to bash consoles but at least they use some form of evidence.

pc gets garbage no one knows about or cares about. consoles get the big name games. **** pc. been there done that, headache.

I agree totally with stuff238. the minor res/fps bumps aren't even noticeable. atleast consoles get their games on time. RDR the best game of last gen still isn't out on pc. like 6 years? lol you have to pray that you're alive by the time pc gets a port. consoles rule, period.

Best game of last gen?

lolwat?

The consoles are so starved for games Microsoft spent $2.5 billion to acquire Minecraft.

But seriously what does the XBox One have that gets you so hot and heavy:

Sunset Overdrive (GS: 8, MC: 81), Forza Horizon 2 (GS: 8, MC: 86), Forza Motorsport 5 (GS: 9, MC: 79), Minecraft (GS: 9, MC: 88), GTA V (GS: 9, MC: 97)

Compared to PC with:

The Talos Principle (GS: 9, MC: 86), Legend of Grimrock II (GS: 9, MC: 86), Divinity: Original Sin (GS: 9, MC: 87), Path of Exile (GS: 9, MC: 86), Dota 2 (GS: 9, MC: 90)

By what criteria are we judging games now? If your point is only about GTA V then whoopdedoo XBox1 gets it 4 months before PC.

Well it's a good thing I can afford to have all. No choice to make, and benefits from every angle.

Shut up and take your damn medication.

thread should be renamed to "The struggle that is a weak PC"

/thread

*console gets the big flops

So Op seeing as you clearly have badass set up made for gaming and have no reason to have problems, would you mind telling us your specs?

Anyone wanna play bingo?

@wis3boi:

That chart is missing my favorite one: "The difference between 900p and 1080p is only 180 pixels."

This, it doesn't happen often at all for me and I too have an Nvidia card. The only game that crashes for me is an early access game which clearly isn't finished. Also my 360 is a cluster **** now, in which I consider it a success if I finish a session and turn it off with my own free will. And now games on consoles are being released unfinished. I've had more experiences there with games that have crashed me back to the home screen.

Also, if you have an Nvidia card, turn off v-sync in all games and then turn on 'adaptive v-sync' in the driver options, it's much better. It works by only turning on when your frame rate gets to 60, then it caps it. It just looks much smoother than in-game v-sync, but it only works when you turn it off in game first.

fixed.

Most don't even spend half that amount on a PC. Installing on the PC takes a few minutes. When was the last time you used one? I take it CD keys were still a big thing.

Hmm console gaming is soooooo much easier. Put in disc, wait 15min to install. Right, time to play, now wait for and install a 1GB update.

Also lol at minor FPS and res bumps. Consoles games mostly run at 30fps, PC games most run at 60fps.

console gamers are so cute

@effec_tor said:

console gamers are so cute

lol, when was this?

Yes pc gaming can be a headache at times.

But my basic advice is to make sure windows and graphics drivers are up to date.