The NSA and the PATRIOT Act have nothing on Sony

"Updates to terms of online service prohibit players from giving out names online, allow communication to be monitored, give Sony free rein to sell user-created content.

While it has yet to be seen if the PlayStation Network is ready to handle the traffic that will accompany next week's launch of Little Big Planet and its sharing tools for user-generated content, Sony Computer Entertainment America has made sure its online service is ready to go from a legal standpoint.

Last week SCEA sent out amendments to its PlayStation Network terms of service and user agreement. PlayStation 3 and PlayStation Portable users will need to agree to the new rules if they want to play their games online, participate in Home, buy games from the PlayStation Store, subscribe to a game, or download a patch or other game update.

The amendments include a number of eyebrow-raising new provisions dealing with player privacy and user-created content. Under the "Code of Conduct" section, SCEA added a provision that players can't tell anyone their real names or "any other personally identifying information." The rule also applies to names of other people or businesses.

And while gamers can't go spreading their names around, the user agreement stats that Sony can share gamers' personal information with third parties "for the purpose of providing... access to PSN content." It does not specify if that content includes advertising as well as games, movies, and other downloadable offerings.

The code of conduct also now specifies that anyone who uses PSN gives SCEA "express consent to monitor and record" their activities, and that the company may do so as it sees fit. And while the terms state that SCEA can turn over user information like an Online ID and IP address to "the appropriate authorities," they also state there is no requirement or expectation that the company monitor or record any activity over the network, and that SCEA can remove content or communication from the service without notifying users.

That's not the only thing SCEA can do without notification (or consequence) under the new agreement.

"Some content may be provided automatically without notice when you sign into PSN," the agreement reads. "Such content may include automatic updates or upgrades which may change your current operating system, cause a loss of data or content or cause a loss of functionalities or utilities. You authorize SCEA to provide such content and agree that SCEA shall not be liable for any damages arising from provision of such content or maintenance services. It is recommended that you regularly back up any data located on the hard disk that is of a type that can be backed up."

Finally, SCEA added a new section on "user material and information" that allows the company to provide "others" with information about users' communication and gameplay over PSN. Further, the company can distribute or publish that information "for any legitimate business purpose" without payment to the users. The example given is for tournaments or ranking purposes.

The section also deals more directly with users' creations, which presumably includes everything from custom-made levels in Little Big Planet to songs penned using the Guitar Hero World Tour studio mode.

"To the extent permitted by law, you authorize and license SCEA a royalty free and perpetual right to use, distribute, copy, modify, display, and publish your User Material for any reason without any restrictions or payments to you or any third parties," the agreement states. "You further agree that SCEA may sublicense its rights to any third party, including its affiliates and subsidiaries. You hereby waive all claims, including any moral rights, against SCEA, its affiliates and subsidiaries for SCEA or any other third party's use of User Material to the extent permitted by applicable law."

Representatives with Sony did not return GameSpot's request for comment."

Updates to terms of online service prohibit players from giving out names online, allow communication to be monitored, give Sony free rein to sell user-created content.

I don't remember reading any of this in the term of service besides the allow communications to be monitored

They are just safety's for sony not to get in trouble, they won't be used.

"Updates to terms of online service prohibit players from giving out names online, allow communication to be monitored, give Sony free rein to sell user-created content.

While it has yet to be seen if the PlayStation Network is ready to handle the traffic that will accompany next week's launch of Little Big Planetand its sharing tools for user-generated content, Sony Computer Entertainment America has made sure its online service is ready to go from a legal standpoint.

Last week SCEA sent out amendments to its PlayStation Network terms of service and user agreement. PlayStation 3 and PlayStation Portable users will need to agree to the new rules if they want to play their games online, participate in Home, buy games from the PlayStation Store, subscribe to a game, or download a patch or other game update.

The amendments include a number of eyebrow-raising new provisions dealing with player privacy and user-created content. Under the "Code of Conduct" section, SCEA added a provision that players can't tell anyone their real names or "any other personally identifying information." The rule also applies to names of other people or businesses.

And while gamers can't go spreading their names around, the user agreement stats that Sony canshare gamers' personal information with third parties "for the purpose of providing... access to PSN content." It does not specify if that content includes advertising as well as games, movies, and other downloadable offerings.

The code of conduct also now specifies that anyone who uses PSN gives SCEA "express consent to monitor and record" their activities, and that the company may do so as it sees fit. And while the terms state that SCEA can turn over user information like an Online ID and IP address to "the appropriate authorities," they also state there is no requirement or expectation that the company monitor or record any activity over the network, and that SCEA can remove content or communication from the service without notifying users.

That's not the only thing SCEA can do without notification (or consequence) under the new agreement.

"Some content may be provided automatically without notice when you sign into PSN," the agreement reads. "Such content may include automatic updates or upgrades which may change your current operating system, cause a loss of data or content or cause a loss of functionalities or utilities. You authorize SCEA to provide such content and agree that SCEA shall not be liable for any damages arising from provision of such content or maintenance services. It is recommended that you regularly back up any data located on the hard disk that is of a type that can be backed up."

Finally, SCEA added a new section on "user material and information" that allows the company to provide "others" with information about users' communication and gameplay over PSN. Further, the company can distribute or publish that information "for any legitimate business purpose" without payment to the users. The example given is for tournaments or ranking purposes.

The section also deals more directly with users' creations, which presumably includes everything from custom-made levels in Little Big Planet to songs penned using the Guitar Hero World Tour studio mode.

"To the extent permitted by law, you authorize and license SCEA a royalty free and perpetual right to use, distribute, copy, modify, display, and publish your User Material for any reason without any restrictions or payments to you or any third parties," the agreement states. "You further agree that SCEA may sublicense its rights to any third party, including its affiliates and subsidiaries. You hereby waive all claims, including any moral rights, against SCEA, its affiliates and subsidiaries for SCEA or any other third party's use of User Material to the extent permitted by applicable law."

Representatives with Sony did not return GameSpot's request for comment."

usmcjdk6

95% of the terms you mentioned above are also on LIVE

or did you forget to read them?

Google,Yahoo, and MSN and now Facebook have been doing this for years..nothing new.Burning_Sun

Google, Yahoo, MSN and Facebook don't allow you to share your name?

They can wiretap you without a court order?

Interesting.

[QUOTE="usmcjdk6"]

"Updates to terms of online service prohibit players from giving out names online, allow communication to be monitored, give Sony free rein to sell user-created content.

While it has yet to be seen if the PlayStation Network is ready to handle the traffic that will accompany next week's launch of Little Big Planetand its sharing tools for user-generated content, Sony Computer Entertainment America has made sure its online service is ready to go from a legal standpoint.

Last week SCEA sent out amendments to its PlayStation Network terms of service and user agreement. PlayStation 3 and PlayStation Portable users will need to agree to the new rules if they want to play their games online, participate in Home, buy games from the PlayStation Store, subscribe to a game, or download a patch or other game update.

The amendments include a number of eyebrow-raising new provisions dealing with player privacy and user-created content. Under the "Code of Conduct" section, SCEA added a provision that players can't tell anyone their real names or "any other personally identifying information." The rule also applies to names of other people or businesses.

And while gamers can't go spreading their names around, the user agreement stats that Sony canshare gamers' personal information with third parties "for the purpose of providing... access to PSN content." It does not specify if that content includes advertising as well as games, movies, and other downloadable offerings.

The code of conduct also now specifies that anyone who uses PSN gives SCEA "express consent to monitor and record" their activities, and that the company may do so as it sees fit. And while the terms state that SCEA can turn over user information like an Online ID and IP address to "the appropriate authorities," they also state there is no requirement or expectation that the company monitor or record any activity over the network, and that SCEA can remove content or communication from the service without notifying users.

That's not the only thing SCEA can do without notification (or consequence) under the new agreement.

"Some content may be provided automatically without notice when you sign into PSN," the agreement reads. "Such content may include automatic updates or upgrades which may change your current operating system, cause a loss of data or content or cause a loss of functionalities or utilities. You authorize SCEA to provide such content and agree that SCEA shall not be liable for any damages arising from provision of such content or maintenance services. It is recommended that you regularly back up any data located on the hard disk that is of a type that can be backed up."

Finally, SCEA added a new section on "user material and information" that allows the company to provide "others" with information about users' communication and gameplay over PSN. Further, the company can distribute or publish that information "for any legitimate business purpose" without payment to the users. The example given is for tournaments or ranking purposes.

The section also deals more directly with users' creations, which presumably includes everything from custom-made levels in Little Big Planet to songs penned using the Guitar Hero World Tour studio mode.

"To the extent permitted by law, you authorize and license SCEA a royalty free and perpetual right to use, distribute, copy, modify, display, and publish your User Material for any reason without any restrictions or payments to you or any third parties," the agreement states. "You further agree that SCEA may sublicense its rights to any third party, including its affiliates and subsidiaries. You hereby waive all claims, including any moral rights, against SCEA, its affiliates and subsidiaries for SCEA or any other third party's use of User Material to the extent permitted by applicable law."

Representatives with Sony did not return GameSpot's request for comment."

micky4889

95% of the terms you mentioned above are also on LIVE

or did you forget to read them?

Proof?

Proof?

usmcjdk6

Just go read the terms of service, you will see that they are there

Updates to terms of online service prohibit players from giving out names online, allow communication to be monitored, give Sony free rein to sell user-created content.

I don't remember reading any of this in the term of service besides the allow communications to be monitored

They are just safety's for sony not to get in trouble, they won't be used.

All_that_is_Man

[QUOTE="usmcjdk6"]

Proof?

All_that_is_Man

Just go read the terms of service, you will see that they are there

Burden of proof isn't on me kiddy. Retrieve the proof that 95% of the above is also on Xbox Live or go back to moo-ing.

[QUOTE="All_that_is_Man"][QUOTE="usmcjdk6"]

Proof?

usmcjdk6

Just go read the terms of service, you will see that they are there

Burden of proof isn't on me kiddy. Retrieve the proof that 95% of the above is also on Xbox Live or go back to moo-ing.

Why does he have to prove anything to you. He told you where to go and get the info. Now if you want to do it is up to you.

Google,Yahoo, and MSN and now Facebook have been doing this for years..nothing new.Burning_Sun

Google has been monitoring you voice comunications? Google has been re-selling your user created content? Did you even read the article?

[QUOTE="micky4889"][QUOTE="usmcjdk6"]

"Updates to terms of online service prohibit players from giving out names online, allow communication to be monitored, give Sony free rein to sell user-created content.

While it has yet to be seen if the PlayStation Network is ready to handle the traffic that will accompany next week's launch of Little Big Planetand its sharing tools for user-generated content, Sony Computer Entertainment America has made sure its online service is ready to go from a legal standpoint.

Last week SCEA sent out amendments to its PlayStation Network terms of service and user agreement. PlayStation 3 and PlayStation Portable users will need to agree to the new rules if they want to play their games online, participate in Home, buy games from the PlayStation Store, subscribe to a game, or download a patch or other game update.

The amendments include a number of eyebrow-raising new provisions dealing with player privacy and user-created content. Under the "Code of Conduct" section, SCEA added a provision that players can't tell anyone their real names or "any other personally identifying information." The rule also applies to names of other people or businesses.

And while gamers can't go spreading their names around, the user agreement stats that Sony canshare gamers' personal information with third parties "for the purpose of providing... access to PSN content." It does not specify if that content includes advertising as well as games, movies, and other downloadable offerings.

The code of conduct also now specifies that anyone who uses PSN gives SCEA "express consent to monitor and record" their activities, and that the company may do so as it sees fit. And while the terms state that SCEA can turn over user information like an Online ID and IP address to "the appropriate authorities," they also state there is no requirement or expectation that the company monitor or record any activity over the network, and that SCEA can remove content or communication from the service without notifying users.

That's not the only thing SCEA can do without notification (or consequence) under the new agreement.

"Some content may be provided automatically without notice when you sign into PSN," the agreement reads. "Such content may include automatic updates or upgrades which may change your current operating system, cause a loss of data or content or cause a loss of functionalities or utilities. You authorize SCEA to provide such content and agree that SCEA shall not be liable for any damages arising from provision of such content or maintenance services. It is recommended that you regularly back up any data located on the hard disk that is of a type that can be backed up."

Finally, SCEA added a new section on "user material and information" that allows the company to provide "others" with information about users' communication and gameplay over PSN. Further, the company can distribute or publish that information "for any legitimate business purpose" without payment to the users. The example given is for tournaments or ranking purposes.

The section also deals more directly with users' creations, which presumably includes everything from custom-made levels in Little Big Planet to songs penned using the Guitar Hero World Tour studio mode.

"To the extent permitted by law, you authorize and license SCEA a royalty free and perpetual right to use, distribute, copy, modify, display, and publish your User Material for any reason without any restrictions or payments to you or any third parties," the agreement states. "You further agree that SCEA may sublicense its rights to any third party, including its affiliates and subsidiaries. You hereby waive all claims, including any moral rights, against SCEA, its affiliates and subsidiaries for SCEA or any other third party's use of User Material to the extent permitted by applicable law."

Representatives with Sony did not return GameSpot's request for comment."

usmcjdk6

95% of the terms you mentioned above are also on LIVE

or did you forget to read them?

Proof?

We do not routinely monitor your use of the messaging features of the Service. However, to the maximum extent permitted by law, we may monitor your messages and may disclose information about you, including contents of messages, if we deem it necessary to:

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/live/legal/

can i say OWNED now?

[QUOTE="All_that_is_Man"][QUOTE="usmcjdk6"]

Proof?

usmcjdk6

Just go read the terms of service, you will see that they are there

Burden of proof isn't on me kiddy. Retrieve the proof that 95% of the above is also on Xbox Live or go back to moo-ing.

well if your to lazy to go read the terms of service for a service that you signed up for, thats on you

I for one have read the live and PSN terms of service so that I don't just click away my kidneys to sony or microsoft

[QUOTE="usmcjdk6"][QUOTE="All_that_is_Man"][QUOTE="usmcjdk6"]

Proof?

Krigon

Just go read the terms of service, you will see that they are there

Burden of proof isn't on me kiddy. Retrieve the proof that 95% of the above is also on Xbox Live or go back to moo-ing.

Why does he have to prove anything to you. He told you where to go and get the info. Now if you want to do it is up to you.

Because his statement is both ill-informed and unture.

[QUOTE="usmcjdk6"][QUOTE="All_that_is_Man"][QUOTE="usmcjdk6"]

Proof?

Krigon

Just go read the terms of service, you will see that they are there

Burden of proof isn't on me kiddy. Retrieve the proof that 95% of the above is also on Xbox Live or go back to moo-ing.

Why does he have to prove anything to you. He told you where to go and get the info. Now if you want to do it is up to you.

That's not how it works. You make a claim... you should be able to back it up... at the very least with a link, if not posting the actual information that you are making.

[QUOTE="usmcjdk6"][QUOTE="micky4889"][QUOTE="usmcjdk6"]

"Updates to terms of online service prohibit players from giving out names online, allow communication to be monitored, give Sony free rein to sell user-created content.

While it has yet to be seen if the PlayStation Network is ready to handle the traffic that will accompany next week's launch of Little Big Planetand its sharing tools for user-generated content, Sony Computer Entertainment America has made sure its online service is ready to go from a legal standpoint.

Last week SCEA sent out amendments to its PlayStation Network terms of service and user agreement. PlayStation 3 and PlayStation Portable users will need to agree to the new rules if they want to play their games online, participate in Home, buy games from the PlayStation Store, subscribe to a game, or download a patch or other game update.

The amendments include a number of eyebrow-raising new provisions dealing with player privacy and user-created content. Under the "Code of Conduct" section, SCEA added a provision that players can't tell anyone their real names or "any other personally identifying information." The rule also applies to names of other people or businesses.

And while gamers can't go spreading their names around, the user agreement stats that Sony canshare gamers' personal information with third parties "for the purpose of providing... access to PSN content." It does not specify if that content includes advertising as well as games, movies, and other downloadable offerings.

The code of conduct also now specifies that anyone who uses PSN gives SCEA "express consent to monitor and record" their activities, and that the company may do so as it sees fit. And while the terms state that SCEA can turn over user information like an Online ID and IP address to "the appropriate authorities," they also state there is no requirement or expectation that the company monitor or record any activity over the network, and that SCEA can remove content or communication from the service without notifying users.

That's not the only thing SCEA can do without notification (or consequence) under the new agreement.

"Some content may be provided automatically without notice when you sign into PSN," the agreement reads. "Such content may include automatic updates or upgrades which may change your current operating system, cause a loss of data or content or cause a loss of functionalities or utilities. You authorize SCEA to provide such content and agree that SCEA shall not be liable for any damages arising from provision of such content or maintenance services. It is recommended that you regularly back up any data located on the hard disk that is of a type that can be backed up."

Finally, SCEA added a new section on "user material and information" that allows the company to provide "others" with information about users' communication and gameplay over PSN. Further, the company can distribute or publish that information "for any legitimate business purpose" without payment to the users. The example given is for tournaments or ranking purposes.

The section also deals more directly with users' creations, which presumably includes everything from custom-made levels in Little Big Planet to songs penned using the Guitar Hero World Tour studio mode.

"To the extent permitted by law, you authorize and license SCEA a royalty free and perpetual right to use, distribute, copy, modify, display, and publish your User Material for any reason without any restrictions or payments to you or any third parties," the agreement states. "You further agree that SCEA may sublicense its rights to any third party, including its affiliates and subsidiaries. You hereby waive all claims, including any moral rights, against SCEA, its affiliates and subsidiaries for SCEA or any other third party's use of User Material to the extent permitted by applicable law."

Representatives with Sony did not return GameSpot's request for comment."

micky4889

95% of the terms you mentioned above are also on LIVE

or did you forget to read them?

Proof?

We do not routinely monitor your use of the messaging features of the Service. However, to the maximum extent permitted by law, we may monitor your messages and may disclose information about you, including contents of messages, if we deem it necessary to:

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/live/legal/

can i say OWNED now?

Yes, yes you can. (I think)

Do people really agree on terms and policies without reading them?Krigon

[QUOTE="All_that_is_Man"][QUOTE="usmcjdk6"][QUOTE="All_that_is_Man"][QUOTE="usmcjdk6"]

Proof?

usmcjdk6

Just go read the terms of service, you will see that they are there

Burden of proof isn't on me kiddy. Retrieve the proof that 95% of the above is also on Xbox Live or go back to moo-ing.

I have no idea what I'm talking about to I'll just type this instead.

Interesting.

Under 9. in the LIVE TOS

You should not expect any level of privacy concerning your use of the live communication features of the Service. These communications may be monitored

Under 8.

Your use of the Service is subject to the Code of Conduct. You also agree not to do any of the following while being connected to the Service:

-Publish, distribute, or disseminate any inappropriate, profane, defamatory, infringing, obscene, indecent, or unlawful topic, name, material, file or information.

And LIVE doesn't allow user created content in general, so I didn't bother looking for it, but it probably still has a paragraph regarding it

[QUOTE="usmcjdk6"][QUOTE="All_that_is_Man"][QUOTE="usmcjdk6"][QUOTE="All_that_is_Man"][QUOTE="usmcjdk6"]

Proof?

All_that_is_Man

Just go read the terms of service, you will see that they are there

Burden of proof isn't on me kiddy. Retrieve the proof that 95% of the above is also on Xbox Live or go back to moo-ing.

I have no idea what I'm talking about to I'll just type this instead.

Interesting.

Under 9. in the LIVE TOS

You should not expect any level of privacy concerning your use of the live communication features of the Service. These communications may be monitored

Under 8.

Your use of the Service is subject to the Code of Conduct. You also agree not to do any of the following while being connected to the Service:

-Publish, distribute, or disseminate any inappropriate, profane, defamatory, infringing, obscene, indecent, or unlawful topic, name, material, file or information.

And LIVE doesn't allow user created content in general, so I didn't bother looking for it, but it probably still has a paragraph regarding it

9 makes sense. But you have no idea what 8 means. Your english comprehension fails. This is tort spiel you noob, notice how the first half of the sentence are adjectives and the last half are nouns? Yeah go figure, huh?

FAILURE.

If Sony even THINKS about enforcing any of these new rules and practices, they will have lost a PS3 owner. Guaranteed. Gaming has no place for quasi-gestapo tactics and draconian measures. I WILL tell my name and information to whomever I see fit. I WILL raise hell if Sony dared use something I worked hard to create stolen, packaged and sold without compensation to me. I WILL raise hell if Sony sells my information to someone and I start getting junk mail as a result.

It's all simply unacceptable. Simply unacceptable. Not only would I sell my PS3, but I'll actively campaign on forums and Youtube against Sony, along with my other more potent means of getting the word out. Screw the gamers, Sony, and you'll find out that this is the 21st centruy...and we have the tools necessary to screw ya back. and it'll only hurt you, and your developers.

We're at 50% buddy.

You've got to step your game up.

:lol:

If Sony even THINKS about enforcing any of these new rules and practices, they will have lost a PS3 owner. Guaranteed. Gaming has no place for quasi-gestapo tactics and draconian measures. I WILL tell my name and information to whomever I see fit. I WILL raise hell if Sony dared use something I worked hard to create stolen, packaged and sold without compensation to me. I WILL raise hell if Sony sells my information to someone and I start getting junk mail as a result.

It's all simply unacceptable. Simply unacceptable. Not only would I sell my PS3, but I'll actively campaign on forums and Youtube against Sony, along with my other more potent means of getting the word out. Screw the gamers, Sony, and you'll find out that this is the 21st centruy...and we have the tools necessary to screw ya back. and it'll only hurt you, and your developers.

Dreams-Visions

LIVE has been using all these terms since day 1

lol @ cows deperately trying to justify and damage control the Sony facism.usmcjdk6

how so ? i proved you wrong on the first page

[QUOTE="usmcjdk6"]lol @ cows deperately trying to justify and damage control the Sony facism.micky4889

how so ? i proved you wrong on the first page

The claim was NINETY FIVE PERCENT.

You pointed out one. 5 more to go, chop chop ;)

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

If Sony even THINKS about enforcing any of these new rules and practices, they will have lost a PS3 owner. Guaranteed. Gaming has no place for quasi-gestapo tactics and draconian measures. I WILL tell my name and information to whomever I see fit. I WILL raise hell if Sony dared use something I worked hard to create stolen, packaged and sold without compensation to me. I WILL raise hell if Sony sells my information to someone and I start getting junk mail as a result.

It's all simply unacceptable. Simply unacceptable. Not only would I sell my PS3, but I'll actively campaign on forums and Youtube against Sony, along with my other more potent means of getting the word out. Screw the gamers, Sony, and you'll find out that this is the 21st centruy...and we have the tools necessary to screw ya back. and it'll only hurt you, and your developers.

micky4889

LIVE has been using all these terms since day 1

2.) I've never been policed by Microsoft for telling someone my real name on LIVE.

3.) I've never made anything for LIVE that was snatched by Microsoft and packaged into something that they later sold to gamers.

4.) When did we start talking about LIVE? that's "off topic" at best. some kind of strange moral relativism at worst.

those were my 3 "I WILL RAISE HELL" points. As long as nobody does those things, I'm fine. Microsoft has never policed me in any of those ways, no matter what their TOS might say. So your point means absolutely nothing to me. It's nothing but words being used to perhaps cover MS's butt. But this is new territory for SONY. If they actually do seek to enforce this stuff, it'll incur the wrath of many gamers.

And if any of the manufacturers seek to actually start DOING any of the stuff, I'll raise hell. And if they don't enforce the stuff, we'll not have any problems at all.

clear?

[QUOTE="micky4889"]

[QUOTE="usmcjdk6"]lol @ cows deperately trying to justify and damage control the Sony facism.usmcjdk6

how so ? i proved you wrong on the first page

The claim was NINETY FIVE PERCENT.

You pointed out one. 5 more to go, chop chop ;)

Are you serious ? I don't have time to be reading through 20+ pages of LIVE terms

The fact is YES LIVE do monitor what you do online they also (and this one is not on the psns terms) Read the contents of your messages

[QUOTE="micky4889"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

If Sony even THINKS about enforcing any of these new rules and practices, they will have lost a PS3 owner. Guaranteed. Gaming has no place for quasi-gestapo tactics and draconian measures. I WILL tell my name and information to whomever I see fit. I WILL raise hell if Sony dared use something I worked hard to create stolen, packaged and sold without compensation to me. I WILL raise hell if Sony sells my information to someone and I start getting junk mail as a result.

It's all simply unacceptable. Simply unacceptable. Not only would I sell my PS3, but I'll actively campaign on forums and Youtube against Sony, along with my other more potent means of getting the word out. Screw the gamers, Sony, and you'll find out that this is the 21st centruy...and we have the tools necessary to screw ya back. and it'll only hurt you, and your developers.

Dreams-Visions

LIVE has been using all these terms since day 1

2.) I've never been policed by Microsoft for telling someone my real name on LIVE.

3.) I've never made anything for LIVE that was snatched by Microsoft and packaged into something that they later sold to gamers.

4.) When did we start talking about LIVE? that's "off topic" at best. some kind of strange moral relativism at worst.

those were my 3 "I WILL RAISE HELL" points. As long as nobody does those things, I'm fine. Microsoft has never policed me in any of those ways, no matter what their TOS might say. So your point means absolutely nothing to me. It's nothing but words being used to perhaps cover MS's butt. But this is new territory for SONY. If they actually do seek to enforce this stuff, it'll incur the wrath of many gamers.

And if any of the manufacturers seek to actually start DOING any of the stuff, I'll raise hell. And if they don't enforce the stuff, we'll not have any problems at all.

clear?

I've never gotten any of these either from sony, People don't really understand how TOS work, because you clearly don't, They are just making it so they are not liable for anything happens on PSN, its for their own protection most of them they won't enforce and have no way of really inforcing.

It just so you don't sue them for something stupid, but hearing you, you probably would try

How would they know if I'm lieing about my name or not? How do they know the name I registered under my PSN account is my real name? :o

I really don't think Sony could do what they are saying to ALL PSN users. This must be a cautionary revision for future possible suits or something of the sort. If it were applied to all users, and suddenly when I'm playing online with my friend and call him by his first name then suddenly I'm pulled out my game, banned, locked and refrained from playing PSN for disclosing information... will I be mad? Sure...

1.) I've never gotten one piece of junk mail by way of LIVE.

2.) I've never been policed by Microsoft for telling someone my real name on LIVE.

3.) I've never made anything for LIVE that was snatched by Microsoft and packaged into something that they later sold to gamers.

4.) When did we start talking about LIVE? that's "off topic" at best. some kind of strange moral relativism at worst.

those were my 3 "I WILL RAISE HELL" points. As long as nobody does those things, I'm fine. Microsoft has never policed me in any of those ways, no matter what their TOS might say. So your point means absolutely nothing to me. It's nothing but words being used to perhaps cover MS's butt. But this is new territory for SONY. If they actually do seek to enforce this stuff, it'll incur the wrath of many gamers.

And if any of the manufacturers seek to actually start DOING any of the stuff, I'll raise hell. And if they don't enforce the stuff, we'll not have any problems at all.

clear?

Dreams-Visions

I have had none of 1,2,3,4 on PSN either

And chances are Sony are just doing this to cover their butts too just like MS

The fact of the matter is PSN's terms and LIVE's terms are pretty much copies of each other so what was the point in this thread?

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="micky4889"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

If Sony even THINKS about enforcing any of these new rules and practices, they will have lost a PS3 owner. Guaranteed. Gaming has no place for quasi-gestapo tactics and draconian measures. I WILL tell my name and information to whomever I see fit. I WILL raise hell if Sony dared use something I worked hard to create stolen, packaged and sold without compensation to me. I WILL raise hell if Sony sells my information to someone and I start getting junk mail as a result.

It's all simply unacceptable. Simply unacceptable. Not only would I sell my PS3, but I'll actively campaign on forums and Youtube against Sony, along with my other more potent means of getting the word out. Screw the gamers, Sony, and you'll find out that this is the 21st centruy...and we have the tools necessary to screw ya back. and it'll only hurt you, and your developers.

All_that_is_Man

LIVE has been using all these terms since day 1

2.) I've never been policed by Microsoft for telling someone my real name on LIVE.

3.) I've never made anything for LIVE that was snatched by Microsoft and packaged into something that they later sold to gamers.

4.) When did we start talking about LIVE? that's "off topic" at best. some kind of strange moral relativism at worst.

those were my 3 "I WILL RAISE HELL" points. As long as nobody does those things, I'm fine. Microsoft has never policed me in any of those ways, no matter what their TOS might say. So your point means absolutely nothing to me. It's nothing but words being used to perhaps cover MS's butt. But this is new territory for SONY. If they actually do seek to enforce this stuff, it'll incur the wrath of many gamers.

And if any of the manufacturers seek to actually start DOING any of the stuff, I'll raise hell. And if they don't enforce the stuff, we'll not have any problems at all.

clear?

I've never gotten any of these either from sony, People don't really understand how TOS work, because you clearly don't, They are just making it so they are not liable for anything happens on PSN, its for their own protection most of them they won't enforce and have no way of really inforcing.

It just so you don't sue them for something stupid, but hearing you, you probably would try

and for the record:

1.) This is a NEW TOS. so of course certain things wouldn't have happened to you before. some policies are brand new, smart guy.

2.) you point about them "not being liable for anything that happens" simply does not fly for every new amendment added here. Like the possibility of them taking my work and selling it. that's not "liability". that's greed. If it happens, the world will know it.

Not that they will enforce the no giving out names act, but the reason for it is because a girl on myspace gave out her information got killed than her parents sued myspace

So, by making it against the rules to give out personal information, the blame is on you and you have to recognize its your fault for giving out the information in the first place

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

1.) I've never gotten one piece of junk mail by way of LIVE.

2.) I've never been policed by Microsoft for telling someone my real name on LIVE.

3.) I've never made anything for LIVE that was snatched by Microsoft and packaged into something that they later sold to gamers.

4.) When did we start talking about LIVE? that's "off topic" at best. some kind of strange moral relativism at worst.

those were my 3 "I WILL RAISE HELL" points. As long as nobody does those things, I'm fine. Microsoft has never policed me in any of those ways, no matter what their TOS might say. So your point means absolutely nothing to me. It's nothing but words being used to perhaps cover MS's butt. But this is new territory for SONY. If they actually do seek to enforce this stuff, it'll incur the wrath of many gamers.

And if any of the manufacturers seek to actually start DOING any of the stuff, I'll raise hell. And if they don't enforce the stuff, we'll not have any problems at all.

clear?

micky4889

I have had none of 1,2,3,4 on PSN either

And chances are Sony are just doing this to cover their butts too just like MS

The fact of the matter is PSN's terms and LIVE's terms are pretty much copies of each other so what was the point in this thread?

They better tread wisely.

I've never gotten any of these either from sony, People don't really understand how TOS work, because you clearly don't, They are just making it so they are not liable for anything happens on PSN, its for their own protection most of them they won't enforce and have no way of really inforcing.

It just so you don't sue them for something stupid, but hearing you, you probably would try

All_that_is_Man

what user created content have you ever made on PSN ....None? ...exactly

They will never sell it, without your consent and I doubt they will ever sell your user created content period

Not that they will enforce the no giving out names act, but the reason for it is because a girl on myspace gave out her information got killed than her parents sued myspace

So, by making it against the rules to give out personal information, the blame is on you and you have to recognize its your fault for giving out the information in the first place

All_that_is_Man

sorry. that has nothing to do with safety or "covering their butts". that's setting up a potential moneygrab. I do not like it. But as long as they don't do anything shady like that, It's all good. but I don't like the positioning and posturing at all.

what user created content have you ever made on PSN ....None?

All_that_is_Man

what user created content have you ever made on PSN ....None? ...exactly

They will never sell it, without your consent and I doubt they will ever sell your user created content period

All_that_is_Man

[QUOTE="All_that_is_Man"]

what user created content have you ever made on PSN ....None? ...exactly

They will never sell it, without your consent and I doubt they will ever sell your user created content period

blue_hazy_basic

[QUOTE="All_that_is_Man"]

Not that they will enforce the no giving out names act, but the reason for it is because a girl on myspace gave out her information got killed than her parents sued myspace

So, by making it against the rules to give out personal information, the blame is on you and you have to recognize its your fault for giving out the information in the first place

Dreams-Visions

sorry. that has nothing to do with safety or "covering their butts". that's setting up a potential moneygrab. I do not like it. But as long as they don't do anything shady like that, It's all good. but I don't like the positioning and posturing at all.

well you obviously weren't able to pick up on the fact that I was talking about the

You may not provide anyone with your name or any other personally identifying information other than your own Online ID, or the name, password or personally identifying information of any other person or business through any means, including messaging, chat or any other form of PSN communication.

and not the one stating that they can sell you user created content

I love how fanboys try to defend such a blatant privacy invasion by pointing out that other fanboys have to deal with it also.

They don't even try to attack the company for invading their privacy in the first place.

When have you made something in LBP? never exactly because its not even out yet, and that is threw LBP and not psn

and dream visions do you know what this means?

"To the extent permitted by law, you authorize and license SCEA a royalty free and perpetual right to use, distribute, copy, modify, display, and publish your User Material for any reason without any restrictions or payments to you or any third parties," the agreement states. "You further agree that SCEA may sublicense its rights to any third party, including its affiliates and subsidiaries. You hereby waive all claims, including any moral rights, against SCEA, its affiliates and subsidiaries for SCEA or any other third party's use of User Material to the extent permitted by applicable law."

It means that they can use your user created content in commercial's or trailers they make for the game, it in no way means that they are gonna sell it, all it is saying that if they use it by any means in an advertisement or video you can't sue them

I love how fanboys try to defend such a blatant privacy invasion by pointing out that other fanboys have to deal with it also.

They don't even try to attack the company for invading their privacy in the first place.

waffle57

PSN is a free network, and its not your right, you have a choice to accept it or not it isn't an invasion of privacy its the right of sony and microsoft for providing these functions in the first place.

If you don't like the terms then you should agree to them and go play else where

[QUOTE="waffle57"]

I love how fanboys try to defend such a blatant privacy invasion by pointing out that other fanboys have to deal with it also.

They don't even try to attack the company for invading their privacy in the first place.

All_that_is_Man

PSN is a free network, and its not your right, you have a choice to accept it or not it isn't an invasion of privacy its the right of sony and microsoft for providing these functions in the first place.

If you don't like the terms then you should agree to them and go play else where

I don't own a PS3, I'm just looking at this from the privacy and individual freedom angle.

Yes, it is their network, but people have to draw the line somewhere. What next? Our ISPs checking if we're terrorists and reporting it to the government?