Seller of Durango devkit says Durango info is old, better than Orbis (MEGATON) !

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#51 Posted by StrongBlackVine (8418 posts) -

Someone should put LoosingEnds on suicide watch before the final specs of the NextBox and PS4 are revealed

Peredith

Natural Selection...

#52 Posted by percech (5237 posts) -
If MS is going all out with hardware then this means we're going to get games we want and not kinect rubbish.
#53 Posted by delta3074 (18615 posts) -
[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="gpuking"]I'm sorry but lherre the real insider who's seen all these said the spec hasn't changed and he's been consistent with a few other insiders too. gpuking

The "real insider"

LOL, good one

LOL !!!! LOL

I cant stop laughing sorry

"Who has seen the specs"

 

LOL !!!!!

Do you realize the fundamental of the system design is all set and any major change would have drastically delay the launch lol? MS is not gonna throw in a 680gtx all of a sudden, nor will the TDP allow such change. A slight gpu core frequency boost is the most they can do for now.

Because you are an expert right? Microsoft changed a hell of a lot About the 360 AFTER the design wa finalised, Read Dean Takeshi's book about the Xbox 360, The HDD was added after the designs where approved, more RAM was added (courtesy of EPIC games) and the intitial build had Heatsink/ Fan combination for Cooling, if you read the book you would realise that the intial design was a solid piece of kit but management KEPT changing it After the design was finalised and Many MS engineers where frustrated by this because the HDD blocked a major air intake and changed the airflow in the system completely. 'Microsoft decided late to add a hard disk drive to most of the machines. It also came up late with a plan to add wireless controllers; all of the previous consoles shipped with wired controllers. The hard drive blocked a lot of the air flow on one side of the machine. And the wireless modules had to have enough of their own space to ensure that there was no electrical interference. In the end, the machine was a series of compromises. The gigantic power supply needed to run the machine sat outside in the power cord, while the console shell was poked full of holes on the sides to ensure air flow.' It turned out in the end that this was all going too far, too fast, said one source. They were adding too many features after things were locked down. That incremental feature adding just made it fragile. Read more at http://venturebeat.com/2008/09/05/xbox-360-defects-an-inside-history-of-microsofts-video-game-console-woes/#8K2GmDYlDKpGKsV1.99
#54 Posted by delta3074 (18615 posts) -

[QUOTE="delta3074"]F*** the hardware, what about the games?Speedzilla

Games? LOL good one

What?
#55 Posted by layton2012 (3653 posts) -
More rumors, lets wait for real confirmed info before getting too excited.
#56 Posted by loosingENDS (11881 posts) -

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="gpuking"]I'm sorry but lherre the real insider who's seen all these said the spec hasn't changed and he's been consistent with a few other insiders too. gpuking

The "real insider"

LOL, good one

LOL !!!! LOL

I cant stop laughing sorry

"Who has seen the specs"

 

LOL !!!!!

Do you realize the fundamental of the system design is all set and any major change would have drastically delay the launch lol? MS is not gonna throw in a 680gtx all of a sudden, nor will the TDP allow such change. A slight gpu core frequency boost is the most they can do for now.

I dont think anything

Xbox 360 was finilized a few months before release

Enough said

Also all specs so far are rumors, do you know what a rumor is ? Something that can be 100% false or based on old kits or just about anything

#57 Posted by StrongBlackVine (8418 posts) -

[QUOTE="gpuking"][QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

The "real insider"

LOL, good one

LOL !!!! LOL

I cant stop laughing sorry

"Who has seen the specs"

 

LOL !!!!!

loosingENDS

Do you realize the fundamental of the system design is all set and any major change would have drastically delay the launch lol? MS is not gonna throw in a 680gtx all of a sudden, nor will the TDP allow such change. A slight gpu core frequency boost is the most they can do for now.

I dont think anything

Xbox 360 was finilized a few months before release

Enough said

Also all specs so far are rumors, do you know what a rumor is ? Something that can be 100% false or based on old kits or just about anything

Backtracking already...

#58 Posted by loosingENDS (11881 posts) -

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="gpuking"] Do you realize the fundamental of the system design is all set and any major change would have drastically delay the launch lol? MS is not gonna throw in a 680gtx all of a sudden, nor will the TDP allow such change. A slight gpu core frequency boost is the most they can do for now. StrongBlackVine

I dont think anything

Xbox 360 was finilized a few months before release

Enough said

Also all specs so far are rumors, do you know what a rumor is ? Something that can be 100% false or based on old kits or just about anything

Backtracking already...

Just having fun, a lot of it :)

#59 Posted by Pray_to_me (2962 posts) -

So the dude was willing to sell his Lulango devkit on ebay but he's not willing to divulge any information? 

 

God Lemmings are so braindead. 

#60 Posted by faizan_faizan (7867 posts) -
Rumors and more rumors.
#61 Posted by Douevenlift_bro (5248 posts) -

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=511871

Seller of Durango devkit says Durango info is old, and is actually better than Orbis

.

"If only you knew" !!!!

"If only you knew" !!!!

"If only you knew" !!!!

.

BOOM !!!!

MEGATON !!!!!!!

loosingENDS

Except he actually didnt say that lol System Wars...

 

He could be hinting at anything. You should be equal parts terrified and optimistic.

#62 Posted by DerekLoffin (8799 posts) -
[QUOTE="gpuking"][QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

The "real insider"

LOL, good one

LOL !!!! LOL

I cant stop laughing sorry

"Who has seen the specs"

 

LOL !!!!!

delta3074
Do you realize the fundamental of the system design is all set and any major change would have drastically delay the launch lol? MS is not gonna throw in a 680gtx all of a sudden, nor will the TDP allow such change. A slight gpu core frequency boost is the most they can do for now.

Because you are an expert right? Microsoft changed a hell of a lot About the 360 AFTER the design wa finalised, Read Dean Takeshi's book about the Xbox 360, The HDD was added after the designs where approved, more RAM was added (courtesy of EPIC games) and the intitial build had Heatsink/ Fan combination for Cooling, if you read the book you would realise that the intial design was a solid piece of kit but management KEPT changing it After the design was finalised and Many MS engineers where frustrated by this because the HDD blocked a major air intake and changed the airflow in the system completely. 'Microsoft decided late to add a hard disk drive to most of the machines. It also came up late with a plan to add wireless controllers; all of the previous consoles shipped with wired controllers. The hard drive blocked a lot of the air flow on one side of the machine. And the wireless modules had to have enough of their own space to ensure that there was no electrical interference. In the end, the machine was a series of compromises. The gigantic power supply needed to run the machine sat outside in the power cord, while the console shell was poked full of holes on the sides to ensure air flow.' It turned out in the end that this was all going too far, too fast, said one source. They were adding too many features after things were locked down. That incremental feature adding just made it fragile. Read more at http://venturebeat.com/2008/09/05/xbox-360-defects-an-inside-history-of-microsofts-video-game-console-woes/#8K2GmDYlDKpGKsV1.99

There is a difference between the fundamentals of a system and those things. They didn't change the CPU or GPU, the memory architecture and really anything fundamental. They changed how it was assembled, little else. The biggest change was memory, but all that amounts to is standard memory chip swap or addition. The issue right now is that to make a 2013 deadline, they already have to be pumping out the components. You can stall final assembly quite a while, but you need the components long before full assembly begins. So, when it comes to the major component, probably both Sony and MS are locked in by now. Best they can do is alter the clock on those. Memory is probably the one thing of substance they can mess with only because those component are more universal and not specific to the consoles.
#63 Posted by percech (5237 posts) -

So the dude was willing to sell his Lulango devkit on ebay but he's not willing to divulge any information? 

 

God Lemmings are so braindead. 

Pray_to_me
Would you like an ointment for that butthurt? WE BEST GRAPHICS NOW! CONFIRMED XBOX TO BE ALPHA AND PS4 TO BE BETA.
#64 Posted by Gue1 (10713 posts) -

we got 2 rumors:

 

1) the first one is a complete spec sheet stating that Orbis is more powerul than Durango

2) the other one is just a quote stating: "if only you knew" that TC translates as "Durango is more powerful than Orbis"

 

:roll:

#65 Posted by ReadingRainbow4 (14737 posts) -

we got 2 rumors:

1) the first one is a complete spec sheet stating that Orbis is more powerul than Durango

2) the other one is just a quote stating: "if only you knew" that TC translates as "Durango is more powerful than Orbis"

:roll:

Gue1

lol

#66 Posted by Neon_Noir (1503 posts) -

we got 2 rumors:

 

1) the first one is a complete spec sheet stating that Orbis is more powerul than Durango

2) the other one is just a quote stating: "if only you knew" that TC translates as "Durango is more powerful than Orbis"

 

:roll:

Gue1
he also said that said sheet is outdated.
#67 Posted by ultraking (6904 posts) -
Hey LoosingEnds. Hows youre game going btw? (serious question)
#68 Posted by gpuking (3026 posts) -
[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"][QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="gpuking"] Do you realize the fundamental of the system design is all set and any major change would have drastically delay the launch lol? MS is not gonna throw in a 680gtx all of a sudden, nor will the TDP allow such change. A slight gpu core frequency boost is the most they can do for now.

Because you are an expert right? Microsoft changed a hell of a lot About the 360 AFTER the design wa finalised, Read Dean Takeshi's book about the Xbox 360, The HDD was added after the designs where approved, more RAM was added (courtesy of EPIC games) and the intitial build had Heatsink/ Fan combination for Cooling, if you read the book you would realise that the intial design was a solid piece of kit but management KEPT changing it After the design was finalised and Many MS engineers where frustrated by this because the HDD blocked a major air intake and changed the airflow in the system completely. 'Microsoft decided late to add a hard disk drive to most of the machines. It also came up late with a plan to add wireless controllers; all of the previous consoles shipped with wired controllers. The hard drive blocked a lot of the air flow on one side of the machine. And the wireless modules had to have enough of their own space to ensure that there was no electrical interference. In the end, the machine was a series of compromises. The gigantic power supply needed to run the machine sat outside in the power cord, while the console shell was poked full of holes on the sides to ensure air flow.' It turned out in the end that this was all going too far, too fast, said one source. They were adding too many features after things were locked down. That incremental feature adding just made it fragile. Read more at http://venturebeat.com/2008/09/05/xbox-360-defects-an-inside-history-of-microsofts-video-game-console-woes/#8K2GmDYlDKpGKsV1.99

There is a difference between the fundamentals of a system and those things. They didn't change the CPU or GPU, the memory architecture and really anything fundamental. They changed how it was assembled, little else. The biggest change was memory, but all that amounts to is standard memory chip swap or addition. The issue right now is that to make a 2013 deadline, they already have to be pumping out the components. You can stall final assembly quite a while, but you need the components long before full assembly begins. So, when it comes to the major component, probably both Sony and MS are locked in by now. Best they can do is alter the clock on those. Memory is probably the one thing of substance they can mess with only because those component are more universal and not specific to the consoles.

Exactly. Plus this SuperDae dude has no technical knowledge to tell exactly what he's seeing. After all he couldn't even tell which class that nvidia graphics card belongs to inside his Alpha dev kit. He had a conversation with a Beyond3d regular Rangers/Special guy on the first alpha dev kit, and from his comments you can simply tell he doesn't know what he's talking about.
#69 Posted by KarateeeChop (4666 posts) -

gotta love it when cows resort to sonydefenseforce. just like the good days.

#70 Posted by ReadingRainbow4 (14737 posts) -

gotta love it when cows resort to sonydefenseforce. just like the good days.

KarateeeChop

what about lemmings with obscure twitter quotes, rofl.

#71 Posted by percech (5237 posts) -
[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"][QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="gpuking"] Do you realize the fundamental of the system design is all set and any major change would have drastically delay the launch lol? MS is not gonna throw in a 680gtx all of a sudden, nor will the TDP allow such change. A slight gpu core frequency boost is the most they can do for now.

Because you are an expert right? Microsoft changed a hell of a lot About the 360 AFTER the design wa finalised, Read Dean Takeshi's book about the Xbox 360, The HDD was added after the designs where approved, more RAM was added (courtesy of EPIC games) and the intitial build had Heatsink/ Fan combination for Cooling, if you read the book you would realise that the intial design was a solid piece of kit but management KEPT changing it After the design was finalised and Many MS engineers where frustrated by this because the HDD blocked a major air intake and changed the airflow in the system completely. 'Microsoft decided late to add a hard disk drive to most of the machines. It also came up late with a plan to add wireless controllers; all of the previous consoles shipped with wired controllers. The hard drive blocked a lot of the air flow on one side of the machine. And the wireless modules had to have enough of their own space to ensure that there was no electrical interference. In the end, the machine was a series of compromises. The gigantic power supply needed to run the machine sat outside in the power cord, while the console shell was poked full of holes on the sides to ensure air flow.' It turned out in the end that this was all going too far, too fast, said one source. They were adding too many features after things were locked down. That incremental feature adding just made it fragile. Read more at http://venturebeat.com/2008/09/05/xbox-360-defects-an-inside-history-of-microsofts-video-game-console-woes/#8K2GmDYlDKpGKsV1.99

There is a difference between the fundamentals of a system and those things. They didn't change the CPU or GPU, the memory architecture and really anything fundamental. They changed how it was assembled, little else. The biggest change was memory, but all that amounts to is standard memory chip swap or addition. The issue right now is that to make a 2013 deadline, they already have to be pumping out the components. You can stall final assembly quite a while, but you need the components long before full assembly begins. So, when it comes to the major component, probably both Sony and MS are locked in by now. Best they can do is alter the clock on those. Memory is probably the one thing of substance they can mess with only because those component are more universal and not specific to the consoles.

if they make the 2013 deadline. IF. Who says 2013 is suppose to be the release?
#72 Posted by seanmcloughlin (38218 posts) -

Seems legit.

I can't wait for the final specs to be released by MS and Sony so all this speculation can fvcking end. I just hope people aren't disappointed by the final specs.

Although then we have to deal with people claiming ownage over tech demos :|

#74 Posted by ultraking (6904 posts) -

Yay more rumours! :D And lol @ lemmings who have been saying exactly what I've just said about all PS4 rumours, now suddenly taking them as true :lol: So much for being better then cows eh? :P

Desmonic
The whole cows are the worst fanboys thing is really absurd. every fanboy faction is bad
#76 Posted by ultraking (6904 posts) -

[QUOTE="ultraking"][QUOTE="Desmonic"]

Yay more rumours! :D And lol @ lemmings who have been saying exactly what I've just said about all PS4 rumours, now suddenly taking them as true :lol: So much for being better then cows eh? :P

Desmonic

The whole cows are the worst fanboys thing is really absurd. every fanboy faction is bad

Pretty much. But there are some "preachers of truth" which are convinced otherwise :lol:

too true.
#77 Posted by walkingdream (4883 posts) -

[QUOTE="ultraking"][QUOTE="Desmonic"]

Yay more rumours! :D And lol @ lemmings who have been saying exactly what I've just said about all PS4 rumours, now suddenly taking them as true :lol: So much for being better then cows eh? :P

Desmonic

The whole cows are the worst fanboys thing is really absurd. every fanboy faction is bad

Pretty much. But there are some "preachers of truth" which are convinced otherwise :lol:

In my experience all fanboys are bad.. but guess which ones far outweigh the other with ridiculous threads and terminology?
#78 Posted by ultraking (6904 posts) -
[QUOTE="Desmonic"]

[QUOTE="ultraking"]The whole cows are the worst fanboys thing is really absurd. every fanboy faction is badwalkingdream

Pretty much. But there are some "preachers of truth" which are convinced otherwise :lol:

In my experience all fanboys are bad.. but guess which ones far outweigh the other with ridiculous threads and terminology?

The fanboy group you want to see?
#79 Posted by BigBoss255 (3539 posts) -
Good news. We need at least one console to be good. I'm not gonna hope that MS release a console with crappy hardware just so I can laugh at strangers on the Internet.
#80 Posted by DISSESHOWEDO (1775 posts) -

we got 2 rumors:

 

1) the first one is a complete spec sheet stating that Orbis is more powerul than Durango

2) the other one is just a quote stating: "if only you knew" that TC is wetting his pants as he translates as "Durango is more powerful than Orbis" 

 

:roll:

Gue1

 

Pretty much this !

#81 Posted by emgesp (2452 posts) -

Specs cannot change that drastically this late in the game. If these consoles are indeed shipping this year then specs are basically finalized by now. Only thing they can really change is clockspeeds. 

#82 Posted by PAL360 (27090 posts) -

Great, more rumors! Just show Durango and Orbis, already :evil:

#83 Posted by zeeshanhaider (2771 posts) -

It would be funny if all those rumours turned out to be false and nextbox and ps4 were just WiiU 1.5. :D

#84 Posted by ZombieKiller7 (6255 posts) -

I would not be surprised if multiplats played better on the "inferior" Durango next gen.

Just like the "inferior" 360.

We won't known until the products are out and we get some reviews.

I hope they are both good products, and I hope they give each other alot of good competition.

#85 Posted by ultraking (6904 posts) -

Great, more rumors! Just show Durango and Orbis, already :evil:

PAL360
is your avatar from Out Of This World?
#86 Posted by AcidThunder (2332 posts) -

i thought this thread was legit but then i saw loosingends....

#88 Posted by clyde46 (46999 posts) -
Ah looosy, still havent got a grasp on reality I see.
#89 Posted by PAL360 (27090 posts) -

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

Great, more rumors! Just show Durango and Orbis, already :evil:

ultraking

is your avatar from Out Of This World?

Yep, from the intro.

#90 Posted by ultraking (6904 posts) -

[QUOTE="ultraking"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

Great, more rumors! Just show Durango and Orbis, already :evil:

PAL360

is your avatar from Out Of This World?

Yep, from the intro.

amazing game! that and Flashback
#91 Posted by PAL360 (27090 posts) -

amazing game! that and Flashbackultraking

Agreed, both were amazing games!

#92 Posted by tormentos (19287 posts) -

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=511871

Seller of Durango devkit says Durango info is old, and is actually better than Orbis

.

"If only you knew" !!!!

"If only you knew" !!!!

"If only you knew" !!!!

.

BOOM !!!!

MEGATON !!!!!!!

loosingENDS
He is a troll he has been tag like so on Neogaf..:lol: "" lherre: Because the specs didn't change. Simply as that. Alpha kits -> Beta kits -> Final kits Beta kits are more or less final kits (final silicon)."" http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=47371564&postcount=2881 The specs haven't change he is just trolling..
#93 Posted by ultraking (6904 posts) -
[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=511871

Seller of Durango devkit says Durango info is old, and is actually better than Orbis

.

"If only you knew" !!!!

"If only you knew" !!!!

"If only you knew" !!!!

.

BOOM !!!!

MEGATON !!!!!!!

tormentos
He is a troll he has been tag like so on Neogaf..:lol: "" lherre: Because the specs didn't change. Simply as that. Alpha kits -> Beta kits -> Final kits Beta kits are more or less final kits (final silicon)."" http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=47371564&postcount=2881 The specs haven't change he is just trolling..

....if you only knew
#94 Posted by Malta_1980 (11470 posts) -

Funny how most well know fanboys in here never trust rumors unless it favors somehow the company/upcoming console they support !!

When it favors their console brand rumors suddenly become legit / facts !!

#95 Posted by PAL360 (27090 posts) -

All this rumor war, and fanboys don't even realise that Xbox 3 being powerful would also help Sony and vice versa.

Durango and Orbis being similar and powerful will help devs, and consequently gamers. The only reason 360 and PS3 games ended up looking as good as they do, in ancient handware, was because the were comparable and both companies spent all gen trying to push their systems to their max.

#96 Posted by campzor (34932 posts) -

If MS is going all out with hardware then this means we're going to get games we want and not kinect rubbish.percech

 

#97 Posted by jun_aka_pekto (16819 posts) -

Must be fun being an insider at AMD with all these rumors....... :lol:

#98 Posted by ronvalencia (15268 posts) -

It would be funny if all those rumours turned out to be false and nextbox and ps4 were just WiiU 1.5. :D

zeeshanhaider

AMD Radeon HD 8790M (GCN) @ 384 stream processors murders Radeon HD 7690M (VLIW5) @ 480 stream processors.

bf3.jpg

dogs.jpg

fc3.jpg

AMD GCN has improved it's effective performance over the older VLIW5 based Radeon HDs. The Wii U's GPU is based on the old the slower VLIW5 design i.e. similar to Radeon HD 5550.

AMD plans to market AMD GCN (Graphics Core Next) separately from the rest of Radeon HDs.

AMD_GCN_zps91f053f0.png

http://www.nordichardware.com/CPU-Chipset/amd-kaveri-graphics-performance-on-par-with-radeon-hd-7750.html

Q4 2013's AMD Kaveri APU has Radeon HD 7750 (512 stream processor with GCN) level GPU.

AMD GCN is a class above Radeon HDs with VLIW designs.

Xbox Next and PS4 can't go worst than AMD's 2013 Q4 baseline APU.

AMD-0241.jpg

#99 Posted by campzor (34932 posts) -

gotta love it when cows resort to sonydefenseforce. just like the good days.

KarateeeChop
 on a side note: how is everyone getting the coloured names all of a sudden?
#100 Posted by Stevo_the_gamer (43168 posts) -
on a side note: how is everyone getting the coloured names all of a sudden?campzor
Because Gamespot removed the Subscriber service giving the benefits of such to everyone.