[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="lowe0"]I point it out because it's contradictory to the claim that PC gamers aren't elitist, and it amuses me to point out contradictions.lowe0Why imply otherwise that arrogant fanboys don't exist everywhere, platform specific fanboys or not? Painting gamers in general platform specific or not with broad strokes, let alone by System Wars of all places isn't doing your rational any favours. It's a view expressed very frequently, and not just within System Wars. It's reasonable to assume that its the view of the community as a whole. No that's not reasonable at all, on the contrary it's anything but - and is more telling about how you want to judge people based on the idiocy of any vocal bunch, practically willingly putting on blinkers to the idiots everywhere else in order to make an assumption about a 'community'. Which in itself isn't very smart. Also, videogames, because you're losing sight of that.
Reasons Why Consolites Don't Care About PC Gaming
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[QUOTE="R4gn4r0k"][QUOTE="clyde46"]
I love how Miketheman claims to be a musician but thinks remixing music is wrong :roll:
[QUOTE="Miketheman83"] Its the same thing as modifying music or movies to suit your taste. It's wrong and not the way games should be played.Miketheman83
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Remixing music with the permission of the copywrite holder is fine. I still can't think of an instance where a remix album it's better than the source material. Then you should know that alot of developers release mod tools and SDK for their games to the public. You do know why they do it ?[QUOTE="Rocker6"]
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Wow, I think I've seen a thread like this with exactly the same points before.
R4gn4r0k
Yeah, you see a few PC bashing threads, they all start to look the same... just a troll trying to pass off his opinions as facts, and going with the "you can't prove my vague statement wrong, which makes it correct" crap...
Rarely someone does PC criticism right...
Most of the time it's:
"PC has nothing but MMO and RTS"
or
"I only have to combine three or more systems to show that PC isn't that good"
Don't forget the "Mods don't count"! :P
After all, ITT we have a fine example of a troll's idiotic anti-mod argument falling apart!
My point is that people want to play the original content/listen to the original song. The mods/remixes are not better than the original material, they wouldn't exist without the original material, and are completely devoid of any artistic merit.Miketheman83
How do mods stop people from playing the original content ? How do remixes stop people from hearing the original song ?
If you really believe that last sentence you wrote, than you should get out of the music industry.
It's a view expressed very frequently, and not just within System Wars. It's reasonable to assume that its the view of the community as a whole.[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="skrat_01"] Why imply otherwise that arrogant fanboys don't exist everywhere, platform specific fanboys or not? Painting gamers in general platform specific or not with broad strokes, let alone by System Wars of all places isn't doing your rational any favours.Bebi_vegeta
In that case we can assume the same for console gamers... and pretty much all of the internet people and why not the world while we're at it.
If you had any evidence that console gamers make elitist statements at anywhere near the same rate, then that would be a valid argument.[QUOTE="R4gn4r0k"][QUOTE="clyde46"] Call On Me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_fCqg92qksMiketheman83
There are lots of examples. Search "Damian Marley - It Was written" in youtube and you will see the chasing shadows remix has way more views. I prefer the original more, but whatever.
That's not your point in the first place miketheman. So what does popularity have to do with anything ? :?
yeah sure after i finish skyrim unmodded its a bad think if i mod the hell out of it to have a different experience in my 2nd play through. Is not like the devs released mod tools to make mods for the game.
Ohhh wait they actually did that
Then you should know that alot of developers release mod tools and SDK for their games to the public. You do know why they do it ?adamosmaki
Or what about devs that do modding contests or mapping contests? Devs that actively push the community to mod their game :?
Don't forget the "Mods don't count"! :P
After all, ITT we have a fine example of a troll's idiotic anti-mod argument falling apart!
Rocker6
Most console fanboys can't even deny that mods offer a lot. From simple fixes the devs never bothered to do to entire new games.
The only people that I've seen downplay mods on here are clear trolls like shadowmoses and TC. :P
[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="lowe0"] It's a view expressed very frequently, and not just within System Wars. It's reasonable to assume that its the view of the community as a whole.lowe0
In that case we can assume the same for console gamers... and pretty much all of the internet people and why not the world while we're at it.
If you had any evidence that console gamers make elitist statements at anywhere near the same rate, then that would be a valid argument.Oh no, I have evidence they make stupid statement... should I generalize the whole community like that.
The example you stated wasn't elistism, it was plain ignorance and stupid.
[QUOTE="Miketheman83"]My point is that people want to play the original content/listen to the original song. The mods/remixes are not better than the original material, they wouldn't exist without the original material, and are completely devoid of any artistic merit.R4gn4r0k
How do mods stop people from playing the original content ? How do remixes stop people from hearing the original song ?
If you really believe that last sentence you wrote, than you should get out of the music industry.
I never said it did. Art = creation. Mods/remixes do not create, they alter. Mods are horrible, remixes are horrible, and remakes are horrible. Nobody wants them, nobody pays for them.[QUOTE="R4gn4r0k"][QUOTE="Miketheman83"]My point is that people want to play the original content/listen to the original song. The mods/remixes are not better than the original material, they wouldn't exist without the original material, and are completely devoid of any artistic merit.Miketheman83
How do mods stop people from playing the original content ? How do remixes stop people from hearing the original song ?
If you really believe that last sentence you wrote, than you should get out of the music industry.
I never said it did. Art = creation. Mods/remixes do not create, they alter. Mods are horrible, remixes are horrible, and remakes are horrible. Nobody wants them, nobody pays for them.People donate money to mod creators, and game remakes sell, from full remakes, to only HD remastering of a last gen game...
[QUOTE="R4gn4r0k"][QUOTE="Miketheman83"]My point is that people want to play the original content/listen to the original song. The mods/remixes are not better than the original material, they wouldn't exist without the original material, and are completely devoid of any artistic merit.Miketheman83
How do mods stop people from playing the original content ? How do remixes stop people from hearing the original song ?
If you really believe that last sentence you wrote, than you should get out of the music industry.
I never said it did. Art = creation. Mods/remixes do not create, they alter. Mods are horrible, remixes are horrible, and remakes are horrible. Nobody wants them, nobody pays for them. Mods are not horrible, only someone as dulsional as you could claim that. Mods are used to enhance a game. I'd make rather download and install a mod that improves my game experience that pay for overpriced DLC that doesnt.[QUOTE="R4gn4r0k"][QUOTE="Miketheman83"]My point is that people want to play the original content/listen to the original song. The mods/remixes are not better than the original material, they wouldn't exist without the original material, and are completely devoid of any artistic merit.Miketheman83
How do mods stop people from playing the original content ? How do remixes stop people from hearing the original song ?
If you really believe that last sentence you wrote, than you should get out of the music industry.
I never said it did. Art = creation. Mods/remixes do not create, they alter. Mods are horrible, remixes are horrible, and remakes are horrible. Nobody wants them, nobody pays for them.I like remixes, I like mods... hell what is a DLC.
[QUOTE="Miketheman83"]
Most of us have lives outside of gaming.
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Yeah, posting sh!t on gaming forum is a pretty cool example of console gamer lifestyle superiority.
No actually this place is 80% PC fans who either circle jerk each other or they to debate with console gamers about a subject we don't care about.Miketheman83
What you're seeing here is called a CONSENSUS.
PC gaming right now is in a very good place, lack of demand from the highly successful console campaigns has driven PC game prices to all time lows, hardware is cheaper and more powerful than ever before, Steam has made it more accessable and convenient and Valve is really a great company that gives a schit (or at least, gives more of a schit than Microsuck or Ken Wassabe or whatever the f*ck his name was.)
While I salute your enthusiasm and share your views that "console gaming is just plain more fun and I'd like to beat the schit out of Cows without Hermits jumping in" you have to realize that many people here are not really that enthusiastic about any 1 platform and will discuss power, performance, price, the existance of fresh original IP's, etc in an objective manner.
And within that level of objectivity (not taste, not flavor, not opinion, not "fun") desktop PC's win in every department.
Again, this is not the opinion of 100 Hermit "invaders" but the general CONSENSUS of the regular users of the forum who come from every gaming background.
Just now I was clicking thru Steam and saw an ad for a game called Omerta.
Dude...if this was Xbox exclusive...you would be screaming about it and bumping the thread all DAY "YEAH B*TCH PS3 SUCKS WE HAVE OMERTA HAHAHAHAHA SONY GOING BANKRUPT HAHAHAHAHA."
But the truth is these fresh IP's come out on the PC open platform every DAY, why? Because anybody can get a box of pizza and code, they don't have to get permission from Microsloth or The Sony or pay them a million dollars and get lawyers and make contracts.
Combine that with the powerful hardware, openness and the fact that you can do EVERYTHING IN YOUR LIFE on 1 desktop computer, no online fees like XBL, no vaseline graphics like PS3, etc.
I'm not trying to tell you that console gaming is bad and PC gaming is good.
That's not my message here, and my personal tastes are the opposite of that.
I'm trying to explain to you that so many people are hermits NOT because they are fanboys, but exactly because they are the opposite, they are un-fanboys who don't give a damn about any corporation or flag and just stick to the generic un-inspired soulless platform which is PC Gaming (or console gaming as the taste may be.)
I've had more fun in the last 4 years on consoles than I had the previous 20 on PC and I will take that to my grave.
That being said, a forum for PC and Console gamers can't work.
Objectively it will always be the "PC is better forum" BECAUSE nobody has ever found a way to measure fun.
If we could objectively measure "fun" as a benchmark, console gaming would be a GTX690 and PC gaming would be a ATI 5850 with a failing heat sink.
But we can't, all we can measure is CPU, GPU, RAM, cost, exclusives score, that's it.
And in that methodology, it's impossible for consoles to win.
[QUOTE="R4gn4r0k"][QUOTE="Miketheman83"]My point is that people want to play the original content/listen to the original song. The mods/remixes are not better than the original material, they wouldn't exist without the original material, and are completely devoid of any artistic merit.Miketheman83
How do mods stop people from playing the original content ? How do remixes stop people from hearing the original song ?
If you really believe that last sentence you wrote, than you should get out of the music industry.
I never said it did. Art = creation. Mods/remixes do not create, they alter. Mods are horrible, remixes are horrible, and remakes are horrible. Nobody wants them, nobody pays for them. While DLC which is a fancy word for modifying your game and charge you $5 for 2 new enemies and 1 new weapon is a great think while a total conversion mod that adds a great amount of new content is a bad think ? You should also know some mods did actually made it to actual game releases for money ( yes they were that good )I never said it did. Art = creation. Mods/remixes do not create, they alter. Mods are horrible, remixes are horrible, and remakes are horrible. Nobody wants them, nobody pays for them.[QUOTE="Miketheman83"][QUOTE="R4gn4r0k"]
How do mods stop people from playing the original content ? How do remixes stop people from hearing the original song ?
If you really believe that last sentence you wrote, than you should get out of the music industry.
Bebi_vegeta
I like remixes, I like mods... hell what is a DLC.
fancy word for paying modsWhile DLC which is a fancy word for modifying your game and charge you $5 for 2 new enemies and 1 new weapon is a great think while a total conversion mod that adds a great amount of new content is a bad think ? You should also know some mods did actually made it to actual game releases for money ( yes they were that good ) adamosmaki
Almost every weapon in Team Fortress 2 is made by the community.
A good deal of devs see the advantages that mods bring (more interest in the base game for example, lots of people got to know arma because of dayz) and welcome the modding community with open arms.
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[QUOTE="Miketheman83"]No actually this place is 80% PC fans who either circle jerk each other or they to debate with console gamers about a subject we don't care about.LazySloth718
What you're seeing here is called a CONSENSUS.
PC gaming right now is in a very good place, lack of demand from the highly successful console campaigns has driven PC game prices to all time lows, hardware is cheaper and more powerful than ever before, Steam has made it more accessable and convenient and Valve is really a great company that gives a schit (or at least, gives more of a schit than Microsuck or Ken Wassabe or whatever the f*ck his name was.)
While I salute your enthusiasm and share your views that "console gaming is just plain more fun and I'd like to beat the schit out of Cows without Hermits jumping in" you have to realize that many people here are not really that enthusiastic about any 1 platform and will discuss power, performance, price, the existance of fresh original IP's, etc in an objective manner.
And within that level of objectivity (not taste, not flavor, not opinion, not "fun") desktop PC's win in every department.
Again, this is not the opinion of 100 Hermit "invaders" but the general CONSENSUS of the regular users of the forum who come from every gaming background.
Just now I was clicking thru Steam and saw an ad for a game called Omerta.
Dude...if this was Xbox exclusive...you would be screaming about it and bumping the thread all DAY "YEAH B*TCH PS3 SUCKS WE HAVE OMERTA HAHAHAHAHA SONY GOING BANKRUPT HAHAHAHAHA."
But the truth is these fresh IP's come out on the PC open platform every DAY, why? Because anybody can get a box of pizza and code, they don't have to get permission from Microsloth or The Sony or pay them a million dollars and get lawyers and make contracts.
Combine that with the powerful hardware, openness and the fact that you can do EVERYTHING IN YOUR LIFE on 1 desktop computer, no online fees like XBL, no vaseline graphics like PS3, etc.
I'm not trying to tell you that console gaming is bad and PC gaming is good.
That's not my message here, and my personal tastes are the opposite of that.
I'm trying to explain to you that so many people are hermits NOT because they are fanboys, but exactly because they are the opposite, they are un-fanboys who don't give a damn about any corporation or flag and just stick to the generic un-inspired soulless platform which is PC Gaming (or console gaming as the taste may be.)
I've had more fun in the last 4 years on consoles than I had the previous 20 on PC and I will take that to my grave.
That being said, a forum for PC and Console gamers can't work.
Objectively it will always be the "PC is better forum" BECAUSE nobody has ever found a way to measure fun.
If we could objectively measure "fun" as a benchmark, console gaming would be a GTX690 and PC gaming would be a ATI 5850 with a failing heat sink.
But we can't, all we can measure is CPU, GPU, RAM, cost, exclusives score, that's it.
And in that methodology, it's impossible for consoles to win.
My argument is not that consoles are better, my argument is that they are not in competition with PC's. Consolites simply don't care enough about it for there to even be debate about it. PC gamers should understand this.If you had any evidence that console gamers make elitist statements at anywhere near the same rate, then that would be a valid argument.[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]
In that case we can assume the same for console gamers... and pretty much all of the internet people and why not the world while we're at it.
Bebi_vegeta
Oh no, I have evidence they make stupid statement... should I generalize the whole community like that.
The example you stated wasn't elistism, it was plain ignorance and stupid.
As frequently?[QUOTE="LazySloth718"][QUOTE="Miketheman83"]No actually this place is 80% PC fans who either circle jerk each other or they to debate with console gamers about a subject we don't care about.Miketheman83
What you're seeing here is called a CONSENSUS.
PC gaming right now is in a very good place, lack of demand from the highly successful console campaigns has driven PC game prices to all time lows, hardware is cheaper and more powerful than ever before, Steam has made it more accessable and convenient and Valve is really a great company that gives a schit (or at least, gives more of a schit than Microsuck or Ken Wassabe or whatever the f*ck his name was.)
While I salute your enthusiasm and share your views that "console gaming is just plain more fun and I'd like to beat the schit out of Cows without Hermits jumping in" you have to realize that many people here are not really that enthusiastic about any 1 platform and will discuss power, performance, price, the existance of fresh original IP's, etc in an objective manner.
And within that level of objectivity (not taste, not flavor, not opinion, not "fun") desktop PC's win in every department.
Again, this is not the opinion of 100 Hermit "invaders" but the general CONSENSUS of the regular users of the forum who come from every gaming background.
Just now I was clicking thru Steam and saw an ad for a game called Omerta.
Dude...if this was Xbox exclusive...you would be screaming about it and bumping the thread all DAY "YEAH B*TCH PS3 SUCKS WE HAVE OMERTA HAHAHAHAHA SONY GOING BANKRUPT HAHAHAHAHA."
But the truth is these fresh IP's come out on the PC open platform every DAY, why? Because anybody can get a box of pizza and code, they don't have to get permission from Microsloth or The Sony or pay them a million dollars and get lawyers and make contracts.
Combine that with the powerful hardware, openness and the fact that you can do EVERYTHING IN YOUR LIFE on 1 desktop computer, no online fees like XBL, no vaseline graphics like PS3, etc.
I'm not trying to tell you that console gaming is bad and PC gaming is good.
That's not my message here, and my personal tastes are the opposite of that.
I'm trying to explain to you that so many people are hermits NOT because they are fanboys, but exactly because they are the opposite, they are un-fanboys who don't give a damn about any corporation or flag and just stick to the generic un-inspired soulless platform which is PC Gaming (or console gaming as the taste may be.)
I've had more fun in the last 4 years on consoles than I had the previous 20 on PC and I will take that to my grave.
That being said, a forum for PC and Console gamers can't work.
Objectively it will always be the "PC is better forum" BECAUSE nobody has ever found a way to measure fun.
If we could objectively measure "fun" as a benchmark, console gaming would be a GTX690 and PC gaming would be a ATI 5850 with a failing heat sink.
But we can't, all we can measure is CPU, GPU, RAM, cost, exclusives score, that's it.
And in that methodology, it's impossible for consoles to win.
My argument is not that consoles are better, my argument is that they are not in competition with PC's. Consolites simply don't care enough about it for there to even be debate about it. PC gamers should understand this. Correct me if i'm wrong. Arent you in a place called system wars ? Also isnt it you who started this whole think ? You made a few claims about pc gaming which ( aside the games which is an opinion what are the best games on what platform ) are factually proven wrong and you expect to not get answers ?Lol at people comparing DLC with mods. DLC is made by professionals who created the game, not some nobody who thinks the game should be different.Miketheman83
So that is why a lot of mods are better than DLC. Because of professionalism :roll:
And how is a developer adding a costume for a character to a game and charging 5 dollars for it better than a modder doing it for free ?
3. Games- PC games just don't have the big budgets as top tier console games. PC games often feel amateurish and outdated. While I love games like Left 4 Dead and The Witcher they are very unpolished games compared to console games, and that is because of small dev teams and low budgets.
5. Comfort- Sitting on the couch with a big screen television is the way video games are meant to be played. Sitting at a computer desk with a small monitor is  killing the fun in my opinion. The argument that you can connect your PC to your television and play with a controller is a poor argument because in reality you are just trying to make your PC like a console.
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These are wrong. The others I can understand.
It's hardly a poor argument, because it's still a PC.
Lol at people comparing DLC with mods. DLC is made by professionals who created the game, not some nobody who thinks the game should be different.Miketheman83then what about mod teams that sometimes are get hired by devs and make their mods a fully fledged game. Like valve does from time to time ? What about devs that hold competitions and giving price about the best mods/maps ? What about mods that outgrow even their respective game in popularity and help the game sell more ( like Dayz did with arma ) You really dont know what you talk about dont you ?
Lol at people comparing DLC with mods. DLC is made by professionals who created the game, not some nobody who thinks the game should be different.Miketheman83
Shut up troll. Â You do realize that if the mods are good, the creators often get picked up by developers, making them professionals.
[QUOTE="LazySloth718"][QUOTE="Miketheman83"]No actually this place is 80% PC fans who either circle jerk each other or they to debate with console gamers about a subject we don't care about.Miketheman83
What you're seeing here is called a CONSENSUS.
PC gaming right now is in a very good place, lack of demand from the highly successful console campaigns has driven PC game prices to all time lows, hardware is cheaper and more powerful than ever before, Steam has made it more accessable and convenient and Valve is really a great company that gives a schit (or at least, gives more of a schit than Microsuck or Ken Wassabe or whatever the f*ck his name was.)
While I salute your enthusiasm and share your views that "console gaming is just plain more fun and I'd like to beat the schit out of Cows without Hermits jumping in" you have to realize that many people here are not really that enthusiastic about any 1 platform and will discuss power, performance, price, the existance of fresh original IP's, etc in an objective manner.
And within that level of objectivity (not taste, not flavor, not opinion, not "fun") desktop PC's win in every department.
Again, this is not the opinion of 100 Hermit "invaders" but the general CONSENSUS of the regular users of the forum who come from every gaming background.
Just now I was clicking thru Steam and saw an ad for a game called Omerta.
Dude...if this was Xbox exclusive...you would be screaming about it and bumping the thread all DAY "YEAH B*TCH PS3 SUCKS WE HAVE OMERTA HAHAHAHAHA SONY GOING BANKRUPT HAHAHAHAHA."
But the truth is these fresh IP's come out on the PC open platform every DAY, why? Because anybody can get a box of pizza and code, they don't have to get permission from Microsloth or The Sony or pay them a million dollars and get lawyers and make contracts.
Combine that with the powerful hardware, openness and the fact that you can do EVERYTHING IN YOUR LIFE on 1 desktop computer, no online fees like XBL, no vaseline graphics like PS3, etc.
I'm not trying to tell you that console gaming is bad and PC gaming is good.
That's not my message here, and my personal tastes are the opposite of that.
I'm trying to explain to you that so many people are hermits NOT because they are fanboys, but exactly because they are the opposite, they are un-fanboys who don't give a damn about any corporation or flag and just stick to the generic un-inspired soulless platform which is PC Gaming (or console gaming as the taste may be.)
I've had more fun in the last 4 years on consoles than I had the previous 20 on PC and I will take that to my grave.
That being said, a forum for PC and Console gamers can't work.
Objectively it will always be the "PC is better forum" BECAUSE nobody has ever found a way to measure fun.
If we could objectively measure "fun" as a benchmark, console gaming would be a GTX690 and PC gaming would be a ATI 5850 with a failing heat sink.
But we can't, all we can measure is CPU, GPU, RAM, cost, exclusives score, that's it.
And in that methodology, it's impossible for consoles to win.
My argument is not that consoles are better, my argument is that they are not in competition with PC's. Consolites simply don't care enough about it for there to even be debate about it. PC gamers should understand this.Â
Then why can I enjoy gaming without even needing a console. Then why can I play all those multiplats games wihtout ever needing a console. There's competition for sure. Gamers do care, you may not... but others do.
threads like these just make my day
[QUOTE="Miketheman83"][QUOTE="LazySloth718"]My argument is not that consoles are better, my argument is that they are not in competition with PC's. Consolites simply don't care enough about it for there to even be debate about it. PC gamers should understand this. Correct me if i'm wrong. Arent you in a place called system wars ? Also isnt it you who started this whole think ? You made a few claims about pc gaming which ( aside the games which is an opinion what are the best games on what platform ) are factually proven wrong and you expect to not get answers ? That's my point. Consolites come here to debate consoles, not PC. We don't care about the PC, if I wanted to pay games in my PC I could. PC gamers are constantly trying to prove why PC gaming is better...to people who have no interest in it. It's like having a conversation about the 360 /PS3 and a Vita fan constantly coming in and saying it's better because it's mobile to people who have no interest in handheld gaming.What you're seeing here is called a CONSENSUS.
PC gaming right now is in a very good place, lack of demand from the highly successful console campaigns has driven PC game prices to all time lows, hardware is cheaper and more powerful than ever before, Steam has made it more accessable and convenient and Valve is really a great company that gives a schit (or at least, gives more of a schit than Microsuck or Ken Wassabe or whatever the f*ck his name was.)
While I salute your enthusiasm and share your views that "console gaming is just plain more fun and I'd like to beat the schit out of Cows without Hermits jumping in" you have to realize that many people here are not really that enthusiastic about any 1 platform and will discuss power, performance, price, the existance of fresh original IP's, etc in an objective manner.
And within that level of objectivity (not taste, not flavor, not opinion, not "fun") desktop PC's win in every department.
Again, this is not the opinion of 100 Hermit "invaders" but the general CONSENSUS of the regular users of the forum who come from every gaming background.
Just now I was clicking thru Steam and saw an ad for a game called Omerta.
Dude...if this was Xbox exclusive...you would be screaming about it and bumping the thread all DAY "YEAH B*TCH PS3 SUCKS WE HAVE OMERTA HAHAHAHAHA SONY GOING BANKRUPT HAHAHAHAHA."
But the truth is these fresh IP's come out on the PC open platform every DAY, why? Because anybody can get a box of pizza and code, they don't have to get permission from Microsloth or The Sony or pay them a million dollars and get lawyers and make contracts.
Combine that with the powerful hardware, openness and the fact that you can do EVERYTHING IN YOUR LIFE on 1 desktop computer, no online fees like XBL, no vaseline graphics like PS3, etc.
I'm not trying to tell you that console gaming is bad and PC gaming is good.
That's not my message here, and my personal tastes are the opposite of that.
I'm trying to explain to you that so many people are hermits NOT because they are fanboys, but exactly because they are the opposite, they are un-fanboys who don't give a damn about any corporation or flag and just stick to the generic un-inspired soulless platform which is PC Gaming (or console gaming as the taste may be.)
I've had more fun in the last 4 years on consoles than I had the previous 20 on PC and I will take that to my grave.
That being said, a forum for PC and Console gamers can't work.
Objectively it will always be the "PC is better forum" BECAUSE nobody has ever found a way to measure fun.
If we could objectively measure "fun" as a benchmark, console gaming would be a GTX690 and PC gaming would be a ATI 5850 with a failing heat sink.
But we can't, all we can measure is CPU, GPU, RAM, cost, exclusives score, that's it.
And in that methodology, it's impossible for consoles to win.
adamosmaki
Marvelous troll post. I almost responded but I had you figured at point 3. That was rilly good. ::applauds::
Lol at people comparing DLC with mods. DLC is made by professionals who created the game, not some nobody who thinks the game should be different.Miketheman83
This has got to be one of the worst argument i've seen in a while.
Miketheman would rather pay capcom for costumes in SFIV than get them for free with mods. And all that because 'it was made by the people who made the original game' not even a question of quality or anything. The costumes could even be better quality than the developer made ones but he doesn't even care about that :lol:
Hilarious.
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[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="lowe0"] If you had any evidence that console gamers make elitist statements at anywhere near the same rate, then that would be a valid argument.lowe0
Oh no, I have evidence they make stupid statement... should I generalize the whole community like that.
The example you stated wasn't elistism, it was plain ignorance and stupid.
As frequently?Lowe0 are you serious !?!?!?!? You can spot elitism but you can't spot ignorant/idiot statements ? Even though you seem to mix both ?
threads like these just make my day
AcidThunder
Funny that you equate DLC to cosmetic changes.Miketheman would rather pay capcom for costumes in SFIV than get them for free with mods. And all that because 'it was made by the people who made the original game' not even a question of quality or anything. The costumes could even be better quality than the developer made ones but he doesn't even care about that :lol:
Hilarious.
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R4gn4r0k
[QUOTE="R4gn4r0k"][QUOTE="Miketheman83"]My point is that people want to play the original content/listen to the original song. The mods/remixes are not better than the original material, they wouldn't exist without the original material, and are completely devoid of any artistic merit.Miketheman83
How do mods stop people from playing the original content ? How do remixes stop people from hearing the original song ?
If you really believe that last sentence you wrote, than you should get out of the music industry.
I never said it did. Art = creation. Mods/remixes do not create, they alter. Mods are horrible, remixes are horrible, and remakes are horrible. Nobody wants them, nobody pays for them. 10s of millions of skyrim mod downloads contradicts your pathetic theory.[QUOTE="LazySloth718"][QUOTE="Miketheman83"]No actually this place is 80% PC fans who either circle jerk each other or they to debate with console gamers about a subject we don't care about.Miketheman83
What you're seeing here is called a CONSENSUS.
PC gaming right now is in a very good place, lack of demand from the highly successful console campaigns has driven PC game prices to all time lows, hardware is cheaper and more powerful than ever before, Steam has made it more accessable and convenient and Valve is really a great company that gives a schit (or at least, gives more of a schit than Microsuck or Ken Wassabe or whatever the f*ck his name was.)
While I salute your enthusiasm and share your views that "console gaming is just plain more fun and I'd like to beat the schit out of Cows without Hermits jumping in" you have to realize that many people here are not really that enthusiastic about any 1 platform and will discuss power, performance, price, the existance of fresh original IP's, etc in an objective manner.
And within that level of objectivity (not taste, not flavor, not opinion, not "fun") desktop PC's win in every department.
Again, this is not the opinion of 100 Hermit "invaders" but the general CONSENSUS of the regular users of the forum who come from every gaming background.
Just now I was clicking thru Steam and saw an ad for a game called Omerta.
Dude...if this was Xbox exclusive...you would be screaming about it and bumping the thread all DAY "YEAH B*TCH PS3 SUCKS WE HAVE OMERTA HAHAHAHAHA SONY GOING BANKRUPT HAHAHAHAHA."
But the truth is these fresh IP's come out on the PC open platform every DAY, why? Because anybody can get a box of pizza and code, they don't have to get permission from Microsloth or The Sony or pay them a million dollars and get lawyers and make contracts.
Combine that with the powerful hardware, openness and the fact that you can do EVERYTHING IN YOUR LIFE on 1 desktop computer, no online fees like XBL, no vaseline graphics like PS3, etc.
I'm not trying to tell you that console gaming is bad and PC gaming is good.
That's not my message here, and my personal tastes are the opposite of that.
I'm trying to explain to you that so many people are hermits NOT because they are fanboys, but exactly because they are the opposite, they are un-fanboys who don't give a damn about any corporation or flag and just stick to the generic un-inspired soulless platform which is PC Gaming (or console gaming as the taste may be.)
I've had more fun in the last 4 years on consoles than I had the previous 20 on PC and I will take that to my grave.
That being said, a forum for PC and Console gamers can't work.
Objectively it will always be the "PC is better forum" BECAUSE nobody has ever found a way to measure fun.
If we could objectively measure "fun" as a benchmark, console gaming would be a GTX690 and PC gaming would be a ATI 5850 with a failing heat sink.
But we can't, all we can measure is CPU, GPU, RAM, cost, exclusives score, that's it.
And in that methodology, it's impossible for consoles to win.
My argument is not that consoles are better, my argument is that they are not in competition with PC's. Consolites simply don't care enough about it for there to even be debate about it. PC gamers should understand this.The forum name is "system wars" means everything.
It's literally anarchy.
Until Gamespot pulls their head out of their ass and realize that such a forum cannot be productive, what you will get is a big trainwreck of butthurt.
Every time I say "PC = dead platform" I can feel 10 hermits drinking Pepto Bismol and getting heart palpitations.
That is how you must view this place to be happy.
It is a place to troll. Not a place to have intelligent conversation.
[QUOTE="Miketheman83"][QUOTE="R4gn4r0k"]I never said it did. Art = creation. Mods/remixes do not create, they alter. Mods are horrible, remixes are horrible, and remakes are horrible. Nobody wants them, nobody pays for them.10s of millions of skyrim mod downloads contradicts your pathetic theory.How do mods stop people from playing the original content ? How do remixes stop people from hearing the original song ?
If you really believe that last sentence you wrote, than you should get out of the music industry.
MBirdy88
I never said mods couldn't be amusing. Giving everyone a giant head can be pretty funny sure, but it's not the way the game was intended to be played.
My argument is not that consoles are better, my argument is that they are not in competition with PC's. Consolites simply don't care enough about it for there to even be debate about it. PC gamers should understand this.[QUOTE="Miketheman83"][QUOTE="LazySloth718"]
What you're seeing here is called a CONSENSUS.
PC gaming right now is in a very good place, lack of demand from the highly successful console campaigns has driven PC game prices to all time lows, hardware is cheaper and more powerful than ever before, Steam has made it more accessable and convenient and Valve is really a great company that gives a schit (or at least, gives more of a schit than Microsuck or Ken Wassabe or whatever the f*ck his name was.)
While I salute your enthusiasm and share your views that "console gaming is just plain more fun and I'd like to beat the schit out of Cows without Hermits jumping in" you have to realize that many people here are not really that enthusiastic about any 1 platform and will discuss power, performance, price, the existance of fresh original IP's, etc in an objective manner.
And within that level of objectivity (not taste, not flavor, not opinion, not "fun") desktop PC's win in every department.
Again, this is not the opinion of 100 Hermit "invaders" but the general CONSENSUS of the regular users of the forum who come from every gaming background.
Just now I was clicking thru Steam and saw an ad for a game called Omerta.
Dude...if this was Xbox exclusive...you would be screaming about it and bumping the thread all DAY "YEAH B*TCH PS3 SUCKS WE HAVE OMERTA HAHAHAHAHA SONY GOING BANKRUPT HAHAHAHAHA."
But the truth is these fresh IP's come out on the PC open platform every DAY, why? Because anybody can get a box of pizza and code, they don't have to get permission from Microsloth or The Sony or pay them a million dollars and get lawyers and make contracts.
Combine that with the powerful hardware, openness and the fact that you can do EVERYTHING IN YOUR LIFE on 1 desktop computer, no online fees like XBL, no vaseline graphics like PS3, etc.
I'm not trying to tell you that console gaming is bad and PC gaming is good.
That's not my message here, and my personal tastes are the opposite of that.
I'm trying to explain to you that so many people are hermits NOT because they are fanboys, but exactly because they are the opposite, they are un-fanboys who don't give a damn about any corporation or flag and just stick to the generic un-inspired soulless platform which is PC Gaming (or console gaming as the taste may be.)
I've had more fun in the last 4 years on consoles than I had the previous 20 on PC and I will take that to my grave.
That being said, a forum for PC and Console gamers can't work.
Objectively it will always be the "PC is better forum" BECAUSE nobody has ever found a way to measure fun.
If we could objectively measure "fun" as a benchmark, console gaming would be a GTX690 and PC gaming would be a ATI 5850 with a failing heat sink.
But we can't, all we can measure is CPU, GPU, RAM, cost, exclusives score, that's it.
And in that methodology, it's impossible for consoles to win.
LazySloth718
The forum name is "system wars" means everything.
It's literally anarchy.
Until Gamespot pulls their head out of their ass and realize that such a forum cannot be productive, what you will get is a big trainwreck of butthurt.
Every time I say "PC = dead platform" I can feel 10 hermits drinking Pepto Bismol and getting heart palpitations.
That is how you must view this place to be happy.
It is a place to troll. Not a place to have intelligent conversation.
As if it would of change anything is this was just a place of console system... what a joke.
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[QUOTE="Miketheman83"] No PC games on the list, pal. Except APB.
http://digitalbattle.com/2010/02/20/top-10-most-expensive-video-game-budgets-ever/
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lol the date in that link is 2010. :lol:
TOR had the biggest budget of a game ever and that was in 2011.
So that list is outdated and invalid
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His original point is still very much valid. There are some big budget PC games, but they are very few and far between compared to console games. Threads made BY HERMITS showing lists of upcoming PC games are proof enough. The vast majority are small budget / indie games that could probably run on a 4 year old iPhone.
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You do realise that much of the "big budget" for console games is spent on marketing? Big publishers spend millions upon millions in order to get console gamers off COD and try something new. Sometimes it works, but often it doesnt. ( bulletstorm, Homefront ect... )
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PC games have hardly any marketing costs because its not needed nearly as much. Because of this and the popularity of digital distribution on PC, games make quite a heftly profit, and its one of the reasons exclusive games are in abundance on PC.
[QUOTE="R4gn4r0k"]Funny that you equate DLC to cosmetic changes. I guess you missed the total conversion mod for Crysis called Mechwarrior Living Legends. You know the one where Crytek actually hired most of the mod team.Miketheman would rather pay capcom for costumes in SFIV than get them for free with mods. And all that because 'it was made by the people who made the original game' not even a question of quality or anything. The costumes could even be better quality than the developer made ones but he doesn't even care about that :lol:
Hilarious.
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Miketheman83
10s of millions of skyrim mod downloads contradicts your pathetic theory.[QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="Miketheman83"] I never said it did. Art = creation. Mods/remixes do not create, they alter. Mods are horrible, remixes are horrible, and remakes are horrible. Nobody wants them, nobody pays for them.Miketheman83
I never said mods couldn't be amusing. Giving everyone a giant head can be pretty funny sure, but it's not the way the game was intended to be played.
Well how was the game intended to be played... having fun isn't part of it ?
My argument is not that consoles are better, my argument is that they are not in competition with PC's. Consolites simply don't care enough about it for there to even be debate about it. PC gamers should understand this.[QUOTE="Miketheman83"][QUOTE="LazySloth718"]
What you're seeing here is called a CONSENSUS.
PC gaming right now is in a very good place, lack of demand from the highly successful console campaigns has driven PC game prices to all time lows, hardware is cheaper and more powerful than ever before, Steam has made it more accessable and convenient and Valve is really a great company that gives a schit (or at least, gives more of a schit than Microsuck or Ken Wassabe or whatever the f*ck his name was.)
While I salute your enthusiasm and share your views that "console gaming is just plain more fun and I'd like to beat the schit out of Cows without Hermits jumping in" you have to realize that many people here are not really that enthusiastic about any 1 platform and will discuss power, performance, price, the existance of fresh original IP's, etc in an objective manner.
And within that level of objectivity (not taste, not flavor, not opinion, not "fun") desktop PC's win in every department.
Again, this is not the opinion of 100 Hermit "invaders" but the general CONSENSUS of the regular users of the forum who come from every gaming background.
Just now I was clicking thru Steam and saw an ad for a game called Omerta.
Dude...if this was Xbox exclusive...you would be screaming about it and bumping the thread all DAY "YEAH B*TCH PS3 SUCKS WE HAVE OMERTA HAHAHAHAHA SONY GOING BANKRUPT HAHAHAHAHA."
But the truth is these fresh IP's come out on the PC open platform every DAY, why? Because anybody can get a box of pizza and code, they don't have to get permission from Microsloth or The Sony or pay them a million dollars and get lawyers and make contracts.
Combine that with the powerful hardware, openness and the fact that you can do EVERYTHING IN YOUR LIFE on 1 desktop computer, no online fees like XBL, no vaseline graphics like PS3, etc.
I'm not trying to tell you that console gaming is bad and PC gaming is good.
That's not my message here, and my personal tastes are the opposite of that.
I'm trying to explain to you that so many people are hermits NOT because they are fanboys, but exactly because they are the opposite, they are un-fanboys who don't give a damn about any corporation or flag and just stick to the generic un-inspired soulless platform which is PC Gaming (or console gaming as the taste may be.)
I've had more fun in the last 4 years on consoles than I had the previous 20 on PC and I will take that to my grave.
That being said, a forum for PC and Console gamers can't work.
Objectively it will always be the "PC is better forum" BECAUSE nobody has ever found a way to measure fun.
If we could objectively measure "fun" as a benchmark, console gaming would be a GTX690 and PC gaming would be a ATI 5850 with a failing heat sink.
But we can't, all we can measure is CPU, GPU, RAM, cost, exclusives score, that's it.
And in that methodology, it's impossible for consoles to win.
LazySloth718
The forum name is "system wars" means everything.
It's literally anarchy.
Until Gamespot pulls their head out of their ass and realize that such a forum cannot be productive, what you will get is a big trainwreck of butthurt.
Every time I say "PC = dead platform" I can feel 10 hermits drinking Pepto Bismol and getting heart palpitations.
That is how you must view this place to be happy.
It is a place to troll. Not a place to have intelligent conversation.
You think SW has ever been good?10s of millions of skyrim mod downloads contradicts your pathetic theory.[QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="Miketheman83"] I never said it did. Art = creation. Mods/remixes do not create, they alter. Mods are horrible, remixes are horrible, and remakes are horrible. Nobody wants them, nobody pays for them.Miketheman83
I never said mods couldn't be amusing. Giving everyone a giant head can be pretty funny sure, but it's not the way the game was intended to be played.
So are you essentially saying that even if mods can improve on every aspect of skyrim in many meaningful ways be it graphics, gameplay, difficulty/challenge, creativeness without making it an unbalanced mess that the way it was "intended to be played" is still better? We arn't just talking about mods that turn dragons into ponies here (though it does exist.) we are talking about the massive ammount of graphics/gameplay mechanics/immersion/a.i/unofficial bug fix patches and new well developed content that brought together a good game to a whole new level. How you will spin that as not "better than the intended" is beyond me....
Lol at people comparing DLC with mods. DLC is made by professionals who created the game, not some nobody who thinks the game should be different.Miketheman83
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These are all 3rd-party add-ons for MS Flight Simulator X. Whether they're DLC or payware mods, I think they're professionally made, given their selling price:
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[QUOTE="MBirdy88"]10s of millions of skyrim mod downloads contradicts your pathetic theory.Bebi_vegeta
I never said mods couldn't be amusing. Giving everyone a giant head can be pretty funny sure, but it's not the way the game was intended to be played.
Well how was the game intended to be played... having fun isn't part of it ?
The way the creators intended it to be played.Please Log In to post.
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