Reasons Why Consolites Don't Care About PC Gaming

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"]Creators vision = a team of 200, about 10% of those are actually gaming enthusiasts, the rest of the company is mooching retail managers, stock holders forcing a game out of the door unfinished. A modding community comes in to add all the little things the gamers want, for free. but then, you know this, and this thread is a joke. otherwise... LazySloth718

Isn't that what almost destroyed PC gaming in the first place? Viewing the market as "mooching" and thinking everything should be free via Torrent.

That's how you got Steam DRM.

That's how you lost physical copies.

Because you thought the stock holder was a mooch for investing in the $100 million game.

Isn't that what almost destroyed PC gaming in the first place? Viewing the market as "mooching" and thinking everything should be free via Torrent.

That's how you got Steam DRM.

That's how you lost physical copies.

Because you thought the stock holder was a mooch for investing in the $100 million game.

LazySloth718

You can do the same on PC, its not easier, but its not hard either. the kind that do this kind of thing build apropriate carriable systems, or just you know, have a laptop and sacrfice some performance. choices.MBirdy88

Nothing is "hard."

Things take time, effort and money in that order.

Your life time is finite.

You can either spend it playing or jury rigging schit.

Choices.

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"]You can do the same on PC, its not easier, but its not hard either. the kind that do this kind of thing build apropriate carriable systems, or just you know, have a laptop and sacrfice some performance. choices.LazySloth718

Nothing is "hard."

Things take time, effort and money in that order.

Your life time is finite.

You can either spend it playing or jury rigging schit.

Choices.

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[QUOTE="Miketheman83"]Mods are terrible.Miketheman83

Jesus Christ, you must be trolling because noone is this stupid.

People do indeed modify music and movies, it's called remixes, refixes, re-edits, variation in productions and for movies it's remakes or edits (the phantom edit for example) :roll:

Thank god not everyone on this planet thinks like you or we wouldn't have had great games like Team Fortress, Counterstrike, Day of Defeat, Red Orchestra, Chivalry and so on.

Steam is more than just DRM. Disc games have died because of the advances in internet speeds and changes in DRM attitudes. I can get my entire collection with me and access it anywhere in the world, you can't do that with physical copies.clyde46

Attitudes about DRM changed because you no longer had a choice.

Before you had a choice, to either buy physical to be a collector.

Or to buy digital if you didn't care.

Now you have no choice.

[QUOTE="clyde46"]Steam is more than just DRM. Disc games have died because of the advances in internet speeds and changes in DRM attitudes. I can get my entire collection with me and access it anywhere in the world, you can't do that with physical copies.LazySloth718

Attitudes about DRM changed because you no longer had a choice.

Before you had a choice, to either buy physical to be a collector.

Or to buy digital if you didn't care.

Now you have no choice.

[QUOTE="Miketheman83"][QUOTE="R4gn4r0k"] Why are mods terrible ?

R4gn4r0k

Jesus Christ, you must be trolling because noone is this stupid.

People do indeed modify music and movies, it's called remixes, refixes, re-edits, variation in productions and for movies it's remakes or edits (the phantom edit for example) :roll:

Thank god not everyone on this planet thinks like you or we wouldn't have had great games like Team Fortress, Counterstrike, Day of Defeat, Red Orchestra, Chivalry and so on.

Now you have no choice.LazySloth718

[QUOTE="R4gn4r0k"]

[QUOTE="Miketheman83"] Because it's not content from the creators of the game. I want to play stuffed made by people who are professionals and get paid to do this. Mods alter the original concept of the game. Its the same thing as modifying music or movies to suit your taste. It's wrong and not the way games should be played.Miketheman83

Jesus Christ, you must be trolling because noone is this stupid.

People do indeed modify music and movies, it's called remixes, refixes, re-edits, variation in productions and for movies it's remakes or edits (the phantom edit for example) :roll:

Thank god not everyone on this planet thinks like you or we wouldn't have had great games like Team Fortress, Counterstrike, Day of Defeat, Red Orchestra, Chivalry and so on.

[QUOTE="LazySloth718"]

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"]You can do the same on PC, its not easier, but its not hard either. the kind that do this kind of thing build apropriate carriable systems, or just you know, have a laptop and sacrfice some performance. choices.MBirdy88

Nothing is "hard."

Things take time, effort and money in that order.

Your life time is finite.

You can either spend it playing or jury rigging schit.

Choices.

I feel that, I really do.

Ultimately it comes down to choices and personal attitudes.

I think System Wars really does a disservice because it presumes that A or B or C have to be better than each other, when in reality it's just a choice of how you like to live your life, your preferences, what you like to do with your free time etc.

I never played CoD.

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"]Creators vision = a team of 200, about 10% of those are actually gaming enthusiasts, the rest of the company is mooching retail managers, stock holders forcing a game out of the door unfinished. A modding community comes in to add all the little things the gamers want, for free. but then, you know this, and this thread is a joke. otherwise... LazySloth718

Isn't that what almost destroyed PC gaming in the first place? Viewing the market as "mooching" and thinking everything should be free via Torrent.

That's how you got Steam DRM.

That's how you lost physical copies.

Because you thought the stock holder was a mooch for investing in the $100 million game.

Are you another hippy who think he owns games ?

And seriously, using this tired argument "PC was dying" when it was dominating gaming since 1996.

Random people do not remix music and movies, moron. With permission from the copyright holder maybe, and those remixes are hardly the definitive version of the product.Miketheman83

Hahaha, you are too funny.

Actually they do. Edits are mostly made without permisson, lots of remixes are too. Actually knowing something before you call someone a moron could help getting your point across. Now you just look silly

[QUOTE="LazySloth718"]Now you have no choice.Miroku32

Maybe but it's not a good thing.

Losing choice of having a physical collection, is not a good thing.

Being forced to have everything as a download that can be denied access to you at any time, is not a good thing.

What happens when these services one day shut down? Your library goes with it?

In before "what happens if your game collection gets robbed."

One is a crime, the other is a corporate eventuality.

[QUOTE="R4gn4r0k"]

[QUOTE="Miketheman83"] Because it's not content from the creators of the game. I want to play stuffed made by people who are professionals and get paid to do this. Mods alter the original concept of the game. Its the same thing as modifying music or movies to suit your taste. It's wrong and not the way games should be played.Miketheman83

Jesus Christ, you must be trolling because noone is this stupid.

People do indeed modify music and movies, it's called remixes, refixes, re-edits, variation in productions and for movies it's remakes or edits (the phantom edit for example) :roll:

Thank god not everyone on this planet thinks like you or we wouldn't have had great games like Team Fortress, Counterstrike, Day of Defeat, Red Orchestra, Chivalry and so on.

[QUOTE="Miroku32"][QUOTE="LazySloth718"]Now you have no choice.LazySloth718

Maybe but it's not a good thing.

Losing choice of having a physical collection, is not a good thing.

Being forced to have everything as a download that can be denied access to you at any time, is not a good thing.

What happens when these services one day shut down? Your library goes with it?

In before "what happens if your game collection gets robbed."

One is a crime, the other is a corporate eventuality.

Speculating about that is speculating about when Internet will die: probably when the world ends.

[QUOTE="LazySloth718"]

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"]Creators vision = a team of 200, about 10% of those are actually gaming enthusiasts, the rest of the company is mooching retail managers, stock holders forcing a game out of the door unfinished. A modding community comes in to add all the little things the gamers want, for free. but then, you know this, and this thread is a joke. otherwise... jhonMalcovich

Isn't that what almost destroyed PC gaming in the first place? Viewing the market as "mooching" and thinking everything should be free via Torrent.

That's how you got Steam DRM.

That's how you lost physical copies.

Because you thought the stock holder was a mooch for investing in the $100 million game.

Are you another hippy who think he owns games ?

And seriously, using this tired argument "PC was dying"?

I'm an adult who thinks people should get something more than "you can play this game for as long as we feel like giving you access."

You pay money you should get a deliverable.

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I personally dont care about PC gaming because:

1- i dont want to pay 1000+ for a system just to stare at a slightly pretty grapchis.

2- I dont like playing MMO's, i need games with stories

3- Cheaper prices on games is something is great! ( the only positive about PC gaming that i see ).

4- I dont like too much MMO's or FPS's

5- PC library consists of 80% of games like this:

Yea thats not my thing...

im glad PC gamers enjoy playing on the system they love but i wish they would stop annoying us too much how its better every single flipping day, i get it its good for you but dosent mean everyone like what you like.

[QUOTE="Miketheman83"][QUOTE="R4gn4r0k"]

Jesus Christ, you must be trolling because noone is this stupid.

People do indeed modify music and movies, it's called remixes, refixes, re-edits, variation in productions and for movies it's remakes or edits (the phantom edit for example) :roll:

Thank god not everyone on this planet thinks like you or we wouldn't have had great games like Team Fortress, Counterstrike, Day of Defeat, Red Orchestra, Chivalry and so on.

ultraking

I personally dont care about PC gaming because:

1- i dont want to pay 1000+ for a system just to stare at a slightly pretty grapchis.

2- I dont like playing MMO's, i need games with stories

3- Cheaper prices on games is something is great! ( the only positive about PC gaming that i see ).

4- PC library consists of 80% of games like this:

Yea thats not my thing...

im glad PC gamers enjoy playing on the system they love but i wish they would stop annoying us too much how its better every single flipping day, i get it its good for you but dosent mean everyone like what you like.

finalstar2007

[QUOTE="LazySloth718"]

[QUOTE="Miroku32"] Same will happen with consoles too if rumors about Sony and Microsoft are true about second hand games. You will not be able to buy used games or borrow from a friend a game. jhonMalcovich

Maybe but it's not a good thing.

Losing choice of having a physical collection, is not a good thing.

Being forced to have everything as a download that can be denied access to you at any time, is not a good thing.

What happens when these services one day shut down? Your library goes with it?

In before "what happens if your game collection gets robbed."

One is a crime, the other is a corporate eventuality.

Speculating about that is speculating about when Internet will die: probably when the world ends.

I think Steam's existance as a corporate entity is alot more fragile than "the internet" and "the world."

im glad PC gamers enjoy playing on the system they love but i wish they would stop annoying us too much how its better every single flipping day, i get it its good for you but dosent mean everyone like what you like.

finalstar2007

I personally dont care about PC gaming because:

1- i dont want to pay 1000+ for a system just to stare at a slightly pretty grapchis.

2- I dont like playing MMO's, i need games with stories

3- Cheaper prices on games is something is great! ( the only positive about PC gaming that i see ).

4- I dont like too much MMO's or FPS's

5- PC library consists of 80% of games like this:

Yea thats not my thing...

im glad PC gamers enjoy playing on the system they love but i wish they would stop annoying us too much how its better every single flipping day, i get it its good for you but dosent mean everyone like what you like.

finalstar2007

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

[QUOTE="LazySloth718"]

Isn't that what almost destroyed PC gaming in the first place? Viewing the market as "mooching" and thinking everything should be free via Torrent.

That's how you got Steam DRM.

That's how you lost physical copies.

Because you thought the stock holder was a mooch for investing in the $100 million game.

LazySloth718

Are you another hippy who think he owns games ?

And seriously, using this tired argument "PC was dying"?

I'm an adult who thinks people should get something more than "you can play this game for as long as we feel like giving you access."

You pay money you should get a deliverable.

Your physical copies are subjected to physical degradation and accidents, like fire, flood, thefts, etc. Cload game library gives you more garanties in preserving your games than keeping them in a  box. 

[QUOTE="Miketheman83"][QUOTE="ultraking"]I remix music all the time. ultraking

[QUOTE="ultraking"][QUOTE="Miketheman83"] Editing a sh1tty YouTube vid to your favorite song is hardly a remix. To do a proper remix you needed original copies of all the sound files. Assuming you were doing this correctly and making true remixes (which I doubt because that is copyright infringement), do you think people consider it better than the original version? Miketheman83

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

[QUOTE="LazySloth718"]

Maybe but it's not a good thing.

Losing choice of having a physical collection, is not a good thing.

Being forced to have everything as a download that can be denied access to you at any time, is not a good thing.

What happens when these services one day shut down? Your library goes with it?

In before "what happens if your game collection gets robbed."

One is a crime, the other is a corporate eventuality.

LazySloth718

Speculating about that is speculating about when Internet will die: probably when the world ends.

I think Steam's existance as a corporate entity is alot more fragile than "the internet" and "the world."

Valve is the only gaming company that is not reporting losses in contrast to MS, Sony and Nintendo. I trust them more than in any other gaming industry corporation.

Your physical copies are subjected to physical degradation and accidents, like fire, flood, thefts, etc. Cload game library gives you more garanties in preserving your games than keeping them in a  box. 

jhonMalcovich

The point is I have a choice.

I can get the download if I please.

I can get the physical if I please.

I get physical because it gives me pleasure and joy to collect and to show off that collection.

[QUOTE="Miketheman83"][QUOTE="ultraking"]LOL. I don't do lame youtube remixes. I have these things called turntables and about 600 recordsclyde46

I couldn't care less. My point is that you can copy/edit/ modify anything till your hearts content, but the second you make any money doing it you will have a lawsuit on your hands.

And scratching records on a turntable isn't a true remix. 

Valve is the only gaming company that is not reporting losses in contrast to MS, Sony and Nintendo. I trust them more than in any other gaming industry corporation.

jhonMalcovich

Valve is a private company.

They don't report anything.

Their financials are not public.

They could be about to go under and you wouldn't know it.

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="Miketheman83"] Well don't try to make money off them, if you do, get a good lawyer.Miketheman83

edit: now that i think about it , i havent scratched a record in a long time. its about blending songs together and adding my own beats that i made

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

Your physical copies are subjected to physical degradation and accidents, like fire, flood, thefts, etc. Cload game library gives you more garanties in preserving your games than keeping them in a  box. 

LazySloth718

The point is I have a choice.

I can get the download if I please.

I can get the physical if I please.

I get physical because it gives me pleasure and joy to collect and to show off that collection.

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

Your physical copies are subjected to physical degradation and accidents, like fire, flood, thefts, etc. Cload game library gives you more garanties in preserving your games than keeping them in a  box. 

LazySloth718

The point is I have a choice.

I can get the download if I please.

I can get the physical if I please.

I get physical because it gives me pleasure and joy to collect and to show off that collection.

You CAN buy physical copies on PC. Many digital distributors provide physical copies in downloadable fashion, so you can download games and burn as many physical copies as you want. This is what I call a choice.

[QUOTE="Miketheman83"][QUOTE="clyde46"] I couldn't care less. My point is that you can copy/edit/ modify anything till your hearts content, but the second you make any money doing it you quick have a lawsuit on your hands. And scratching records on a turntable isn't a true remix. What are you going to do? Report him to the RIAA?ultraking

Either way your point is moot because people pay for the original copy, not your remixes...the same as mods.

[QUOTE="ultraking"]

[QUOTE="Miketheman83"]Miketheman83

Screw console gaming and pc gaming, mobile gaming is where its at, I can take my games anywhere I want, and have phone sex inbetween!

Screw console gaming and pc gaming, mobile gaming is where its at, I can take my games anywhere I want, and have phone sex inbetween!

ultimate-k

Someone threw the towel :twisted:

You CAN buy physical copies on PC. Many digital distributors provide physical copies in downloadable fashion, so you can download games and burn as many physical copies as you want. This is what I call a choice.

jhonMalcovich

They're getting hard to find locally, lots of games don't offer a physical product anymore.

Downloading and burning a game does nothing for my collection.

[QUOTE="ultraking"]

[QUOTE="Miketheman83"]Miketheman83

I personally dont care about PC gaming because:

1- i dont want to pay 1000+ for a system just to stare at a slightly pretty grapchis.

2- I dont like playing MMO's, i need games with stories

3- Cheaper prices on games is something is great! ( the only positive about PC gaming that i see ).

4- I dont like too much MMO's or FPS's

5- PC library consists of 80% of games like this:

Yea thats not my thing...

im glad PC gamers enjoy playing on the system they love but i wish they would stop annoying us too much how its better every single flipping day, i get it its good for you but dosent mean everyone like what you like.

finalstar2007

1- The PC is not only a gaming system... it's much more, you can also put as much money as you like.

2- MMO are game swith stories...

3- Ok

4-PC has plenty of different genre.

5-That game is awesome and that's not 80% of gaming.

I really wish you'd see that it's not PC gamers, but fanboys making topics about this. It's like you have a blind eye when it comes to console gamers doing this.

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

Your physical copies are subjected to physical degradation and accidents, like fire, flood, thefts, etc. Cload game library gives you more garanties in preserving your games than keeping them in a  box. 

LazySloth718

The point is I have a choice.

I can get the download if I please.

I can get the physical if I please.

I get physical because it gives me pleasure and joy to collect and to show off that collection.

Same for PC... 

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

Valve is the only gaming company that is not reporting losses in contrast to MS, Sony and Nintendo. I trust them more than in any other gaming industry corporation.

LazySloth718

Valve is a private company.

They don't report anything.

Their financials are not public.

They could be about to go under and you wouldn't know it.

Are yes, they are going under while making a Steam box... logic.

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

You CAN buy physical copies on PC. Many digital distributors provide physical copies in downloadable fashion, so you can download games and burn as many physical copies as you want. This is what I call a choice.

LazySloth718

They're getting hard to find locally, lots of games don't offer a physical product anymore.

Downloading and burning a game does nothing for my collection.

Ever heard of amazon ?