PS4: DirectX 11.2+ vs. Xbox One: DirectX 11.1+

Turns out Sony is using a modified and improved version of DirectX 11 that will improve shader pipeline access, among other things.

[QUOTE="vgleaks"]

Those improvements include better shader pipeline access, improved debugging support features out the box, and much lower level access to the system hardware enabling developers to do more cool things. Thats achieved not only through an modified DirectX 11.1 API, but also a secondary low-level API specifically for the PS4 hardware.

PinkiePirate

http://www.vgleaks.com/more-exclusive-playstation-4-huma-implementation-and-memory-enhancements-details/

http://www.geek.com/games/sony-iimprove-directx-11-for-the-ps4-blu-ray-1544364/

Xbox One:
1.31 TFLOPS
40.9 GTex/s
13.6 GPix/s
68GB/s DDR3
109GB/s eSRAM
16 ROPS
12 CUs (768 ALUs)

PS4:
1.84 TFLOPS (+40%)
57.6 GTex/s (+40%) - Texture Fill Rate
25.6 GPix/s (+90%) - Pixel Fill Rate
176GB/s GDDR5
32 ROPS
18 CUs (1152 ALUs) - Compute Units

There's actually no proof of this and Sony has never presented this to the media or public during any of the shows. This was just a rumor back in March and unless so actually confirms it, it's still just a bogus rumor. I doubt they will be using Direct X 11 at all. They would have to pay Microsoft a substantial amount of money to get the rights.

You people fail to undestand that graph.

Sony is just stating that PS4 will be using DX11.2+ equelent tools, hence the slash between the dx and opengl.

You people are silly.

You people fail to undestand that graph.

Sony is just stating that PS4 will be using DX11.2+ equelent tools, hence the slash between the dx and opengl.

You people are silly.

ZoomZoom2490

When they say "feature set" they mean their API has features very similar to that of whatever they are referencing. They aren't using DX11 in the PS4 directly but they've modeled their API heavily off of DX11. It's a lot easier for developers that way. 

So basically their API will have a set of features that will act the same way as they would in OpenGL and DirectX. This means it's not only familiar to the devs, it's a lot easier to port.

This is just really the front-end experience for the developers. How the API is going to perform is going to be on the people who develop and mantain it. 

lol, sony held a press conference to say they have something almost as good as directx?

that's just comedy

Since when did consolites care about all this stuff? It wasn't long ago you were all saying hermits were dumb for caring about all these things

When they say "feature set" they mean their API has features very similar to that of whatever they are referencing. They aren't using DX11 in the PS4 directly but they've modeled their API heavily off of DX11. It's a lot easier for developers that way. 

So basically their API will have a set of features that will act the same way as they would in OpenGL and DirectX. This means it's not only familiar to the devs, it's a lot easier to port.

This is just really the front-end experience for the developers. How the API is going to perform is going to be on the people who develop and mantain it. 

Wasdie

Since when did consolites care about all this stuff? It wasn't long ago you were all saying hermits were dumb for caring about all these things

seanmcloughlin

In the span of three months everyone became an expert on technology. Every consolite now knows about flops, huma, APIs, DDR5, shared memories, devkits. 

The PS4 has all of the FEATURES that DX has, with extra stuff thrown in.

"Tesselation", for example, can be achieved without Direct X.

It's just processed using a different API, which is easily accessible on the PS4.

[QUOTE="PinkiePirate"]

Xbox One:
1.31 TFLOPS
40.9 GTex/s
13.6 GPix/s
68GB/s DDR3
109GB/s eSRAM
16 ROPS
12 CUs (768 ALUs)

PS4:
1.84 TFLOPS
57.6 GTex/s
25.6 GPix/s 
176GB/s GDDR5
32 ROPS
18 CUs (1152 ALUs)

MK-Professor

this is fun:P

MY PC:
8.6 TFLOPS
268.8 GTex/s
76.8 GPix/s
600GB/s GDDR5
64 ROPS
56 CUs (3584 ALUs)

MY PC:

2.88 TFLOPS

90.4 GTex/s

36.2 GPix/s

170 GB/s GDDR5

32 ROPS

20 CU's (1280 ALU's) 

my gfx card is already quite a little bit stronger then the PS4 GPU/Xbox One GPU.. but i probably dont doubt that a PS4 will be able to produce better graphics then my card can 

DirectX is a Microsoft proprietary API, it's very unlikely PS4 will be using it. It will probably use a variant of OpenGL with some extra goodies added in from Sony.

N-K0d3R

[QUOTE="PinkiePirate"]

Xbox One:
1.31 TFLOPS
40.9 GTex/s
13.6 GPix/s
68GB/s DDR3
109GB/s eSRAM
16 ROPS
12 CUs (768 ALUs)

PS4:
1.84 TFLOPS
57.6 GTex/s
25.6 GPix/s 
176GB/s GDDR5
32 ROPS
18 CUs (1152 ALUs)

MK-Professor

this is fun:P

MY PC:
8.6 TFLOPS
268.8 GTex/s
76.8 GPix/s
600GB/s GDDR5
64 ROPS
56 CUs (3584 ALUs)

Your graphics card costs more than either console will so it's logical it will outperform them significantly...

Compare them to latest PC APUs to get a more impressive picture.

Turns out Sony is using a modified and improved version of DirectX 11 that will improve shader pipeline access, among other things.

[QUOTE="vgleaks"]

Those improvements include better shader pipeline access, improved debugging support features out the box, and much lower level access to the system hardware enabling developers to do more cool things. Thats achieved not only through an modified DirectX 11.1 API, but also a secondary low-level API specifically for the PS4 hardware.

PinkiePirate

http://www.vgleaks.com/more-exclusive-playstation-4-huma-implementation-and-memory-enhancements-details/

http://www.geek.com/games/sony-iimprove-directx-11-for-the-ps4-blu-ray-1544364/

Xbox One:
1.31 TFLOPS
40.9 GTex/s
13.6 GPix/s
68GB/s DDR3
109GB/s eSRAM
16 ROPS
12 CUs (768 ALUs)

PS4:
1.84 TFLOPS (+40%)
57.6 GTex/s (+40%) - Texture Fill Rate
25.6 GPix/s (+90%) - Pixel Fill Rate
176GB/s GDDR5
32 ROPS
18 CUs (1152 ALUs) - Compute Units

If done right OpenGL can be faster than DirectX doing the same task. But I'm pretty sure the games on PS3 at least the exclusives used LibGCM and apparently there is a version of that for PS4. So I guess people like naugtydog will be using that to get the most out of it.

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

[QUOTE="PinkiePirate"]

Xbox One:
1.31 TFLOPS
40.9 GTex/s
13.6 GPix/s
68GB/s DDR3
109GB/s eSRAM
16 ROPS
12 CUs (768 ALUs)

PS4:
1.84 TFLOPS
57.6 GTex/s
25.6 GPix/s 
176GB/s GDDR5
32 ROPS
18 CUs (1152 ALUs)

nameless12345

this is fun:P

MY PC:
8.6 TFLOPS
268.8 GTex/s
76.8 GPix/s
600GB/s GDDR5
64 ROPS
56 CUs (3584 ALUs)

Your graphics card costs more than either console will so it's logical it will outperform them significantly...

Compare them to latest PC APUs to get a more impressive picture.

why? I don't have a pc with an APU, besides my gpu setup was cheep than ps4 and 4.7x times more powerful than ps4, and 6.6x times more powerful than X1.

ps4 will cost £350 and I pay 2x £230 (one and a half year before ps4 release) for my CF HD7950(1200MHz). I am sure I ps4 was released one and a half year earlier will cost much more.

 

Sony doesn't own Blu-Ray. Sony is part of the consortum. The blu-ray manufacturer that makes the XB1's blu-ray player would be the one paying the royalties, not MS.

And, I highly doubt Sony will be able to customize Direct X for the PS4 better than Microsoft will be able to modify it for the XB1. It is, after all, a Microsoft technology.

StormyJoe

No dude sony win royalties from Blu-ray as well as several other companies to who bring blu-ray to life,sony is one of them,and is stated on the post you quote,as i say sony and other companies.

And yes every product that has a blu-ray drive pay royalties,and is not the maker alone who pay also the brand holder of the product dude,is the reason why the Wii did not play movies,is the reason why the wii U doesn't play movies either,and it was the reason why original xbox did not played DVd out of the box,MS on the first xbox make you pay for the license dude when you buyed the remote.

So yes MS pay royalties for the xbox one using blu-ray and playing movies to.

And again what the screen ilustrate is that the PS4 has features than are over DX1.2 and OpenGL 4.4 not that sony modify those API.

 

why? I don't have a pc with an APU, besides my gpu setup was cheep than ps4 and 4.7x times more powerful than ps4, and 6.6x times more powerful than X1.

ps4 will cost £350 and I pay 2x £230 (one and a half year before ps4 release) for my CF HD7950(1200MHz). I am sure I ps4 was released one and a half year earlier will cost much more.

MK-Professor

See this is why i consider you to be buthurt liar.

You claim that you bought 2 7950 for £230 each 1 year and a half ago,basically that is when those cards were new,the damn 7950 now range from £199 to £260 now that is now a year and a half abot those card were £350 each one,so in other words you payed for those cards £700 that is almost double the price of the PS4 almost double,which is a complete system,those were 2 useless cards that without a PC serve you for nothing.

Before you say sh**.

http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/pc-components/graphics-cards/amd-radeon-hd-7950-1058628/review

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2012/01/31/amd-radeon-hd-7950-3gb-review/

1 year back landed on August 2012 and half a year less land you on Ferbuary 2012 read the review for those card done on January 31 2012,you compulsive liar those card on that date were £350 each card.

Oh and £230 X 2 = £460

PS4 is £ 350 so even at £230 they were more expensive that the complete PS4 system you have math problems as well a compulsive liar problem to.

Remember how you claimed that owning a quad core CPU with a 8800GTX was a better investment on 2006 than the PS3 was in the long run.? And remember how i killed you argument to.?

You are to much of a liar dude,do you even have a gaming PC or your cards and PC are as fake as the prices you pay for those cards on 2012.lol

 

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

 

why? I don't have a pc with an APU, besides my gpu setup was cheep than ps4 and 4.7x times more powerful than ps4, and 6.6x times more powerful than X1.

ps4 will cost £350 and I pay 2x £230 (one and a half year before ps4 release) for my CF HD7950(1200MHz). I am sure I ps4 was released one and a half year earlier will cost much more.

tormentos

See this is why i consider you to be buthurt liar.

You claim that you bought 2 7950 for £230 each 1 year and a half ago,basically that is when those cards were new,the damn 7950 now range from £199 to £260 now that is now a year and a half abot those card were £350 each one,so in other words you payed for those cards £700 that is almost double the price of the PS4 almost double,which is a complete system,those were 2 useless cards that without a PC serve you for nothing.

Before you say sh**.

http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/pc-components/graphics-cards/amd-radeon-hd-7950-1058628/review

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2012/01/31/amd-radeon-hd-7950-3gb-review/

1 year back landed on August 2012 and half a year less land you on Ferbuary 2012 read the review for those card done on January 31 2012,you compulsive liar those card on that date were £350 each card.

Oh and £230 X 2 = £460

PS4 is £ 350 so even at £230 they were more expensive that the complete PS4 system you have math problems as well a compulsive liar problem to.

Remember how you claimed that owning a quad core CPU with a 8800GTX was a better investment on 2006 than the PS3 was in the long run.? And remember how i killed you argument to.?

You are to much of a liar dude,do you even have a gaming PC or your cards and PC are as fake as the prices you pay for those cards on 2012.lol

• July 2012(for a few days) OCUK price many HD7950 with aftermarket cooler from £220 - £240, and I get 2 of them 2x £230 = £460. You can go to OCUK an ask anyone there, to see that I am telling the truth.

• The above date(July 2012) is 1 year and a half before ps4 release date, so if ps4 was released at that date it should cost a lot more than £350, probably £450 or more.

• So same price and 4.7x times more performance :cool:, the other components of the pc i don't count them because if I wasn't a gamer I will still had a powerful PC(but without a good gpu) of all the other things I needed for.

• As I have said you many times a PC with quadcore, 8800GTX, etc back in 2006 was better investment then ps3 because it was cheaper(including the cheaper pc games) and it play games with better graphics and performance than ps3. Also this document analytical explains this notion.

• Tormentos have been officially OWNED!

 

• July 2012(for a few days) OCUK price many HD7950 with aftermarket cooler from £220 - £240, and I get 2 of them 2x £230 = £460. You can go to OCUK an ask anyone there, to see that I am telling the truth.

• The above date(July 2012) is 1 year and a half before ps4 release date, so if ps4 was released at that date it should cost a lot more than £350, probably £450 or more.

• So same price and 4.7x times more performance :cool:, the other components of the pc i don't count them because if I wasn't a gamer I will still had a powerful PC(but without a good gpu) of all the other things I needed for.

• As I have said you many times a PC with quadcore, 8800GTX, etc back in 2006 was better investment then ps3 because it was cheaper(including the cheaper pc games) and it play games with better graphics and performance than ps3. Also this document analytical explains this notion.

• Tormentos have been officially OWNED!

MK-Professor

The PS4 launch On November not december.

1 year and a half s 18 months,so june 2012 not july.

And by that time the card was £299

Because it got a price drop to that pce in mid April.

Still more expensive than you claim,and 230 + 230 = 460 more expensive than the PS4 period,oh and on the PS4 i get a complete system,WTF are people suppose to do with dual 7950 without a PC to put them.your whole comparison is stupid period.

Find me a 4.7 times stronger complete PC for $399 and you have a point,hell find me one than can even beat the PS4,i say a PC because Sony is not selling me a damn 7800 alone they are selling me a complete system and regarless of you just upgrading your card you at one moment most have payed for your PC.

Lets see about that.

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

 

• July 2012(for a few days) OCUK price many HD7950 with aftermarket cooler from £220 - £240, and I get 2 of them 2x £230 = £460. You can go to OCUK an ask anyone there, to see that I am telling the truth.

• The above date(July 2012) is 1 year and a half before ps4 release date, so if ps4 was released at that date it should cost a lot more than £350, probably £450 or more.

• So same price and 4.7x times more performance :cool:, the other components of the pc i don't count them because if I wasn't a gamer I will still had a powerful PC(but without a good gpu) of all the other things I needed for.

• As I have said you many times a PC with quadcore, 8800GTX, etc back in 2006 was better investment then ps3 because it was cheaper(including the cheaper pc games) and it play games with better graphics and performance than ps3. Also this document analytical explains this notion.

• Tormentos have been officially OWNED!

tormentos

The PS4 launch On November not december.

1 year and a half s 18 months,so june 2012 not july.

And by that time the card was £299

Because it got a price drop to that pce in mid April.

Still more expensive than you claim,and 230 + 230 = 460 more expensive than the PS4 period,oh and on the PS4 i get a complete system,WTF are people suppose to do with dual 7950 without a PC to put them.your whole comparison is stupid period.

Find me a 4.7 times stronger complete PC for $399 and you have a point,hell find me one than can even beat the PS4,i say a PC because Sony is not selling me a damn 7800 alone they are selling me a complete system and regarless of you just upgrading your card you at one moment most have payed for your PC.

Lets see about that.

So it is 17 months and not 18 months? That is the definition of damage control :lol:

Whatever you say now is moot, the damage have been done, same price and 4.7x times more power :cool:, this document contains all the information you need about PC vs Consoles cost.

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

[QUOTE="PinkiePirate"]

Xbox One:
1.31 TFLOPS
40.9 GTex/s
13.6 GPix/s
68GB/s DDR3
109GB/s eSRAM
16 ROPS
12 CUs (768 ALUs)

PS4:
1.84 TFLOPS
57.6 GTex/s
25.6 GPix/s 
176GB/s GDDR5
32 ROPS
18 CUs (1152 ALUs)

xboxiphoneps3

this is fun:P

MY PC:
8.6 TFLOPS
268.8 GTex/s
76.8 GPix/s
600GB/s GDDR5
64 ROPS
56 CUs (3584 ALUs)

MY PC:

2.88 TFLOPS

90.4 GTex/s

36.2 GPix/s

170 GB/s GDDR5

32 ROPS

20 CU's (1280 ALU's) 

my gfx card is already quite a little bit stronger then the PS4 GPU/Xbox One GPU.. but i probably dont doubt that a PS4 will be able to produce better graphics then my card can 

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

• July 2012(for a few days) OCUK price many HD7950 with aftermarket cooler from £220 - £240, and I get 2 of them 2x £230 = £460. You can go to OCUK an ask anyone there, to see that I am telling the truth.

• The above date(July 2012) is 1 year and a half before ps4 release date, so if ps4 was released at that date it should cost a lot more than £350, probably £450 or more.

• So same price and 4.7x times more performance :cool:, the other components of the pc i don't count them because if I wasn't a gamer I will still had a powerful PC(but without a good gpu) of all the other things I needed for.

• As I have said you many times a PC with quadcore, 8800GTX, etc back in 2006 was better investment then ps3 because it was cheaper(including the cheaper pc games) and it play games with better graphics and performance than ps3. Also this document analytical explains this notion.

• Tormentos have been officially OWNED!

tormentos

The PS4 launch On November not december.

1 year and a half s 18 months,so june 2012 not july.

And by that time the card was £299

Because it got a price drop to that pce in mid April.

Still more expensive than you claim,and 230 + 230 = 460 more expensive than the PS4 period,oh and on the PS4 i get a complete system,WTF are people suppose to do with dual 7950 without a PC to put them.your whole comparison is stupid period.

Find me a 4.7 times stronger complete PC for $399 and you have a point,hell find me one than can even beat the PS4,i say a PC because Sony is not selling me a damn 7800 alone they are selling me a complete system and regarless of you just upgrading your card you at one moment most have payed for your PC.

Lets see about that.

http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/video-card/#c=124,71&sort=a5

Not quite 4.7X, but AMD is price crashing their 7950 to $179.99.

By Nov 2013, the value on superceded 79x0 would be lower than Sep 2013.

Radeon HD 98x0 would have similar power as existing 79x0 without the proper DP FP support.

Radeon HD 9950 would have higher power than existing 7970. Effective 9970 vs 780/Titan competition would drive PC's GPU prices down. http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/hardware-clinic-2/hd-9970-surpassed-gtx-titan-synthetic-test-4332296.html

The forums resource Chiphell an image with the results of the performance flagship of the new generation of Radeon graphics accelerator Volcanic Islands (codenamed Hawaii).
New product with the name suggests Radeon HD 9970 in a package of synthetic benchmarks 3DMark 2013 FireStrike Extreme mode was able to demonstrate 4816 points, which is outperforming the flagship graphics card GeForce GTX Titan, which is gaining an average of 4500-4600 points. In this case, the peak temperature of the accelerator does not exceed the threshold of 60 degrees.
The main issue is still a novelty value, as for the fastest GTX Titan asking about $ 1,000.

The PS4 has all of the FEATURES that DX has, with extra stuff thrown in.

"Tesselation", for example, can be achieved without Direct X.

It's just processed using a different API, which is easily accessible on the PS4.

Netherscourge

lol give it a break AMD said both APUs support DirectX 11.2+.

lol give it a break AMD said both APUs support DirectX 11.2+.

Tessellation

[QUOTE="Tessellation"]

lol give it a break AMD said both APUs support DirectX 11.2+.

ShadowriverUB

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"][QUOTE="Tessellation"]

lol give it a break AMD said both APUs support DirectX 11.2+.

Tessellation

[QUOTE="Tessellation"]

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"] Wrong, DirectX 11.2+ support those APU features no other way around.... those are GPU feature sets. Because oyu guys don't getting it it makes you all confused that PS4 got DirectXsuperclocked

Software is just software. You can sort things a hundred different ways. In the end, your group of things are still sorted. Same concept. PS4 supports these GPU features one way or another. Doesnt mean it uses DirectX.

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"][QUOTE="Tessellation"]

lol give it a break AMD said both APUs support DirectX 11.2+.

Tessellation

MS is going to use the latest DX on the Xbox One you fools! :lol:

MS is going to use the latest DX on the Xbox One you fools! :lol:

xhawk27