PS4: DirectX 11.2+ vs. Xbox One: DirectX 11.1+

Turns out Sony is using a modified and improved version of DirectX 11 that will improve shader pipeline access, among other things.

Those improvements include better shader pipeline access, improved debugging support features out the box, and much lower level access to the system hardware enabling developers to do more cool things. Thats achieved not only through an modified DirectX 11.1 API, but also a secondary low-level API specifically for the PS4 hardware.

vgleaks

http://www.vgleaks.com/more-exclusive-playstation-4-huma-implementation-and-memory-enhancements-details/

http://www.geek.com/games/sony-iimprove-directx-11-for-the-ps4-blu-ray-1544364/

Xbox One:
1.31 TFLOPS
40.9 GTex/s
13.6 GPix/s
68GB/s DDR3
109GB/s eSRAM
16 ROPS
12 CUs (768 ALUs)

PS4:
1.84 TFLOPS (+40%)
57.6 GTex/s (+40%) - Texture Fill Rate
25.6 GPix/s (+90%) - Pixel Fill Rate
176GB/s GDDR5
32 ROPS
18 CUs (1152 ALUs) - Compute Units

DirectX is a Microsoft proprietary API, it's very unlikely PS4 will be using it. It will probably use a variant of OpenGL with some extra goodies added in from Sony.

These articles are old, the PS4 does not use DirextX.

Can you hear that? It's Lems last hope of better multiplats jumping out the window:lol: Funny of them to think a 50% advantage in hardware could just be negated by a codec type:lol:

These articles are old, the PS4 does not use DirextX.

 

FLOPPAGE_50

His links say PS4 does use Direct X.... 

TLHBO

[QUOTE="FLOPPAGE_50"]

These articles are old, the PS4 does not use DirextX.

 

Sagemode87

His links say PS4 does use Direct X.... 

Darn it, you guys are right. This is old and was debunked.

End thread. lol

The ps4 does not use DirectX!Duckyindiana

One of Sony's own slides (as shown above)  says they do... Am I missing something? 

DirectX is a Microsoft proprietary API

N-K0d3R

/thread

[QUOTE="FLOPPAGE_50"]

These articles are old, the PS4 does not use DirextX.

 

Sagemode87

His links say PS4 does use Direct X.... 

[QUOTE="Duckyindiana"]The ps4 does not use DirectX!Sagemode87

One of Sony's own slides (as shown above)  says they do... Am I missing something? 

[QUOTE="Duckyindiana"]The ps4 does not use DirectX!Sagemode87

One of Sony's own slides (as shown above)  says they do... Am I missing something? 

Playstation 4 uses PSGL and PSSL.

Xbox One uses DirectX 11.2 with added low-level Xbox One extensions.

[QUOTE="Duckyindiana"]The ps4 does not use DirectX!Sagemode87

One of Sony's own slides (as shown above)  says they do... Am I missing something? 

The directX API is available for free, but Microsofts own implementation of it is secret (obviously). Sony could be doing 1 of 2 things, either buying the license to use the directX api in ps4, or they are implementing the DirectX API using openGL so devs using directX can have an easier time porting.

[QUOTE="Sagemode87"]

[QUOTE="Duckyindiana"]The ps4 does not use DirectX!John_Read

One of Sony's own slides (as shown above)  says they do... Am I missing something? 

OpenGL and OpenCL APIs have the exact same equivalent for every DX feature and command. They just call it DX because devs are more used to that and PC/X1 will use those commands, PS4 will use equivalent ones.

Playstation 4 uses PSSL. Xbox One uses DirectX 11.2 with added low-level Xbox One extensions.ShadowDeathX

No PS4 uses opengl

[QUOTE="John_Read"][QUOTE="Sagemode87"]

One of Sony's own slides (as shown above)  says they do... Am I missing something? 

ManatuBeard

OpenGL and OpenCL APIs have the exact same equivalent for every DX feature and command. They just call it DX because devs are more used to that and PC/X1 will use those commands, PS4 will use equivalent ones.

They aren't exactly equiveent. The APIs are different, but they do the same/similar things.

[QUOTE="ManatuBeard"]

[QUOTE="John_Read"] DX made by MS unless they signed deal with MS for Dx 11.2way2funny

OpenGL and OpenCL APIs have the exact same equivalent for every DX feature and command. They just call it DX because devs are more used to that and PC/X1 will use those commands, PS4 will use equivalent ones.

They aren't exactly equiveent. The APIs are different, but they do the same/similar things.

I recall reading an interview about the PS4 devtools where they said they could use the DX commands directly as if they were programming for PC/X1, and the sofware would change them to the ps4 equivalent.

Before this thread gets too out of hand and stuff, I just wanna remind people of 1 thing - Blu-Ray is Sony proprietary tech, yet its the disc drive they'll be using. Just because another division of Microsoft is in direct competition with Sony, does not mean the ENTIRE company is in competition with them. They're both in it to make money, not win some flame war on an internet forum.

[QUOTE="way2funny"]

[QUOTE="ManatuBeard"]

OpenGL and OpenCL APIs have the exact same equivalent for every DX feature and command. They just call it DX because devs are more used to that and PC/X1 will use those commands, PS4 will use equivalent ones.

ManatuBeard

They aren't exactly equiveent. The APIs are different, but they do the same/similar things.

I recall reading an interview about the PS4 devtools where they said they could use the DX commands directly as if they were programming for PC/X1, and the sofware would change them to the ps4 equivalent.

Right, but they aren't the same. Like I said you can technically implement directX api using openGL calls and vice versa. They do the same thing in the end result, but in a different way. You just have to do some engineering work to get them to a one-to-one matching

Before this thread gets too out of hand and stuff, I just wanna remind people of 1 thing - Blu-Ray is Sony proprietary tech, yet its the disc drive they'll be using. Just because another division of Microsoft is in direct competition with Sony, does not mean the ENTIRE company is in competition with them. They're both in it to make money, not win some flame war on an internet forum.

Shensolidus

Idiot

[QUOTE="Shensolidus"]

Before this thread gets too out of hand and stuff, I just wanna remind people of 1 thing - Blu-Ray is Sony proprietary tech, yet its the disc drive they'll be using. Just because another division of Microsoft is in direct competition with Sony, does not mean the ENTIRE company is in competition with them. They're both in it to make money, not win some flame war on an internet forum.

ShadowDeathX

Before this thread gets too out of hand and stuff, I just wanna remind people of 1 thing - Blu-Ray is Sony proprietary tech, yet its the disc drive they'll be using. Just because another division of Microsoft is in direct competition with Sony, does not mean the ENTIRE company is in competition with them. They're both in it to make money, not win some flame war on an internet forum.

Shensolidus

Cows so desperate lulz

[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"][QUOTE="Shensolidus"]

Before this thread gets too out of hand and stuff, I just wanna remind people of 1 thing - Blu-Ray is Sony proprietary tech, yet its the disc drive they'll be using. Just because another division of Microsoft is in direct competition with Sony, does not mean the ENTIRE company is in competition with them. They're both in it to make money, not win some flame war on an internet forum.

Shensolidus

Xbox One:
1.31 TFLOPS
40.9 GTex/s
13.6 GPix/s
68GB/s DDR3
109GB/s eSRAM
16 ROPS
12 CUs (768 ALUs)

PS4:
1.84 TFLOPS
57.6 GTex/s
25.6 GPix/s 
176GB/s GDDR5
32 ROPS
18 CUs (1152 ALUs)

PinkiePirate

this is fun:P

MY PC:
8.6 TFLOPS
268.8 GTex/s
76.8 GPix/s
600GB/s GDDR5
64 ROPS
56 CUs (3584 ALUs)

Playstation 4 uses PSGL and PSSL.

Xbox One uses DirectX 11.2 with added low-level Xbox One extensions.

ShadowDeathX

This

Before this thread gets too out of hand and stuff, I just wanna remind people of 1 thing - Blu-Ray is Sony proprietary tech, yet its the disc drive they'll be using. Just because another division of Microsoft is in direct competition with Sony, does not mean the ENTIRE company is in competition with them. They're both in it to make money, not win some flame war on an internet forum.

Shensolidus

Turns out Sony is using a modified and improved version of DirectX 11 that will improve shader pipeline access, among other things.

[QUOTE="vgleaks"]

Those improvements include better shader pipeline access, improved debugging support features out the box, and much lower level access to the system hardware enabling developers to do more cool things. Thats achieved not only through an modified DirectX 11.1 API, but also a secondary low-level API specifically for the PS4 hardware.

PinkiePirate

http://www.vgleaks.com/more-exclusive-playstation-4-huma-implementation-and-memory-enhancements-details/

http://www.geek.com/games/sony-iimprove-directx-11-for-the-ps4-blu-ray-1544364/

Xbox One:
1.31 TFLOPS
40.9 GTex/s
13.6 GPix/s
68GB/s DDR3
109GB/s eSRAM
16 ROPS
12 CUs (768 ALUs)

PS4:
1.84 TFLOPS (+40%)
57.6 GTex/s (+40%) - Texture Fill Rate
25.6 GPix/s (+90%) - Pixel Fill Rate
176GB/s GDDR5
32 ROPS
18 CUs (1152 ALUs) - Compute Units

[QUOTE="Shensolidus"]

Before this thread gets too out of hand and stuff, I just wanna remind people of 1 thing - Blu-Ray is Sony proprietary tech, yet its the disc drive they'll be using. Just because another division of Microsoft is in direct competition with Sony, does not mean the ENTIRE company is in competition with them. They're both in it to make money, not win some flame war on an internet forum.

lhughey

DirectX is a Microsoft proprietary API, it's very unlikely PS4 will be using it. It will probably use a variant of OpenGL with some extra goodies added in from Sony.

N-K0d3R

And.?

Windows is a proprietary Os from MS and it runs on Sony vaio computers,you would be surprice to know how many thing sony has to pay MS for,they juts pay a license fee and that is it.

Much like MS is paying sony and several other for Blu-ray on xbox one.

[QUOTE="PinkiePirate"]

Turns out Sony is using a modified and improved version of DirectX 11 that will improve shader pipeline access, among other things.

[QUOTE="vgleaks"]

Those improvements include better shader pipeline access, improved debugging support features out the box, and much lower level access to the system hardware enabling developers to do more cool things. Thats achieved not only through an modified DirectX 11.1 API, but also a secondary low-level API specifically for the PS4 hardware.

delta3074

http://www.vgleaks.com/more-exclusive-playstation-4-huma-implementation-and-memory-enhancements-details/

http://www.geek.com/games/sony-iimprove-directx-11-for-the-ps4-blu-ray-1544364/

Xbox One:
1.31 TFLOPS
40.9 GTex/s
13.6 GPix/s
68GB/s DDR3
109GB/s eSRAM
16 ROPS
12 CUs (768 ALUs)

PS4:
1.84 TFLOPS (+40%)
57.6 GTex/s (+40%) - Texture Fill Rate
25.6 GPix/s (+90%) - Pixel Fill Rate
176GB/s GDDR5
32 ROPS
18 CUs (1152 ALUs) - Compute Units

[QUOTE="N-K0d3R"]

DirectX is a Microsoft proprietary API, it's very unlikely PS4 will be using it. It will probably use a variant of OpenGL with some extra goodies added in from Sony.

tormentos

And.?

Windows is a proprietary Os from MS and it runs on Sony vaio computers,you would be surprice to know how many thing sony has to pay MS for,they juts pay a license fee and that is it.

Much like MS is paying sony and several other for Blu-ray on xbox one.

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="PinkiePirate"]

http://www.vgleaks.com/more-exclusive-playstation-4-huma-implementation-and-memory-enhancements-details/

http://www.geek.com/games/sony-iimprove-directx-11-for-the-ps4-blu-ray-1544364/

Xbox One:
1.31 TFLOPS
40.9 GTex/s
13.6 GPix/s
68GB/s DDR3
109GB/s eSRAM
16 ROPS
12 CUs (768 ALUs)

PS4:
1.84 TFLOPS (+40%)
57.6 GTex/s (+40%) - Texture Fill Rate
25.6 GPix/s (+90%) - Pixel Fill Rate
176GB/s GDDR5
32 ROPS
18 CUs (1152 ALUs) - Compute Units

SecretPolice

Microsoft Own the Direct X API, the Ps4 will probably use open GL. Even if it did use Direct X, i highly doubt MS would allow SONY to use a more advanced version of there own API than they would use in there own hardware, no company is that stupiddelta3074

I think you people are miss undertanding that screen,what it referst to is to the features the PS4 has,which are over DX 11.2+ and Opengl 4.4 PS4 has features over those 2 API,probably refer to things that hasn't hit those API yet,which is something very credible.

DX 11.1 just got PRT support this year,when the 7000 series GPU from AMD had that feature since 2011,and OpenGL support them since then,windows API are always behind OpenGL in those regards.

But even if the wanted to use DirectX11.1 i am sure it would be no problem they just pay a license and thats is it,in fact it would serve MS best interest since games would port better to xbox one,because if sony use features not on directX11.1 xbox one games will suffer.

seems to me you just jumped on that guy for the sake of it dude, he's probably right so why didn't you just leave it? What you said didn't need to be said quite frankly, your post was pointless.delta3074

Sorry i did not know the thread was yours only to reply my mistake.

[QUOTE="delta3074"]seems to me you just jumped on that guy for the sake of it dude, he's probably right so why didn't you just leave it? What you said didn't need to be said quite frankly, your post was pointless.tormentos

Sorry i did not know the thread was yours only to reply my mistake.

Don't be childish, you know what i am saying, appears lately you will jump on anyone for the most minor of things, you need to wind your neck in a bit mate, you know as well as i do that the Ps4 will use OpenGL or a variant of it so again, what was the point in trying to disagree with something you already know to be true.delta3074

Really that is odd because you posted before me and you were already siding with the analogy of DX is MS property and you have never side with anything MS right.?

[QUOTE="delta3074"]Don't be childish, you know what i am saying, appears lately you will jump on anyone for the most minor of things, you need to wind your neck in a bit mate, you know as well as i do that the Ps4 will use OpenGL or a variant of it so again, what was the point in trying to disagree with something you already know to be true.tormentos

Really that is odd because you posted before me and you were already siding with the analogy of DX is MS property and you have never side with anything MS right.?

 

DX is an MS property, and of course i will side with anything that i know to be correct, i was disagreeing with something i know to be False, you where disagreeing with something you know to be true, don't try this crap with me just because i post something factual,loldelta3074

So you gave your opinion,but you are mad because i gave mine.?

:lol:

I just bringed a touch of logic to the thread like always some of you can't handle that.

[QUOTE="delta3074"]

 

DX is an MS property, and of course i will side with anything that i know to be correct, i was disagreeing with something i know to be False, you where disagreeing with something you know to be true, don't try this crap with me just because i post something factual,loltormentos

So you gave your opinion,but you are mad because i gave mine.?

:lol:

I just bringed a touch of logic to the thread like always some of you can't handle that.

Cows so desperate lulz

Scipio8

John Carmack at Quakcon 2013

"OpenGL renders 10 times more triangles than anything else."

http://youtu.be/Uooh0Y9fC_M?t=1h15m14s

How is it logical to disagree with something you know to be true?delta3074

Did you actually read my post.?

Windows is MS property and is license,in fact without windows those API don't even work,MS license many patent to competitors,and has cross license with many others,MS owning DX in nothing mean the PS4 can't use it it mean sony would have to pay a license to use it period,oh and in that case developers because most of them are the ones who make those games,sony tell them this hardware support DX from box if you want that talk to MS which you already have a license and thats that.

His post make no sense because MS has many cross licenses with competitors dude is not new.

Doesn't that say feature set? It's not direct X.

Ummm... Direct X is a Microsoft technology. You really think Sony could customize it better than MS? Wow.

And, as far as your spec totals, I sincerely doubt that the PS4's games, exclusive or multiplat, are really going to look any better than XB1 games.

[QUOTE="N-K0d3R"]

DirectX is a Microsoft proprietary API, it's very unlikely PS4 will be using it. It will probably use a variant of OpenGL with some extra goodies added in from Sony.

tormentos

And.?

Windows is a proprietary Os from MS and it runs on Sony vaio computers,you would be surprice to know how many thing sony has to pay MS for,they juts pay a license fee and that is it.

Much like MS is paying sony and several other for Blu-ray on xbox one.

Sony doesn't own Blu-Ray. Sony is part of the consortum. The blu-ray manufacturer that makes the XB1's blu-ray player would be the one paying the royalties, not MS.

And, I highly doubt Sony will be able to customize Direct X for the PS4 better than Microsoft will be able to modify it for the XB1. It is, after all, a Microsoft technology.