No Microsoft Press Coference At Leipzig.

[QUOTE="sargentbotk"]

[QUOTE="whodey8584"]They probably ran out of ideas to steal from other companiesRagnarok1051

What ideas did MS ever steal from other companies?

The Avatars are yelling so loud I just had to mention them.

Well if it's only Avatars than I could safely say that MS, Sony, and Nintendo all copied other companies with that. He said "ideas" meaning more than one. I'm sure he was referring to MS stealing ideas from either Sony or Nintendo. Next?

[QUOTE="WillieBeamish"]

The only game they showed 'WAAAY' before release was Alan Wake, and that was shown before the 360 launched and they haven't shown it again since. For the past two E3's Microsoft has only shown what will be available within the next 12 months or so. Unlike Killzone 2, MGS4, FF13 etc. where Sony showed them three years in a row. Lets not get into who keeps showing CGI trailers of games year after year, shall we?

Javy03

Too Human was shown in 2005

Fable 2 was announced in 2006

Alan Wake you already know

Mass Effect shown in X05

Halo 3 was announced in 2006 and it was CGI as well

Like I said stop pretending MS is different, SW has fooled you. MS has shown CGI trailers and games way before their release date.

Um, no it wasnt:roll:

well, with eat, sleep, and play showing off the next gen Twisted metal, maybe m$ felt that they really don't have a game in their arsenal to compete with the hype for a new Twisted Metal

j/k, but indeed this isn't all to good news for m$

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="sargentbotk"]

[QUOTE="whodey8584"]They probably ran out of ideas to steal from other companiessargentbotk

What ideas did MS ever steal from other companies?

The Avatars are yelling so loud I just had to mention them.

Well if it's only Avatars than I could safely say that MS, Sony, and Nintendo all copied other companies with that. He said "ideas" meaning more than one. I'm sure he was referring to MS stealing ideas from either Sony or Nintendo. Next?

I'm not the one to ask this, the avatars were the only thing at the top of my head. I'm sure others could point out more though.

[QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="WillieBeamish"]

The only game they showed 'WAAAY' before release was Alan Wake, and that was shown before the 360 launched and they haven't shown it again since. For the past two E3's Microsoft has only shown what will be available within the next 12 months or so. Unlike Killzone 2, MGS4, FF13 etc. where Sony showed them three years in a row. Lets not get into who keeps showing CGI trailers of games year after year, shall we?

-DrRobotnik-

Too Human was shown in 2005

Fable 2 was announced in 2006

Alan Wake you already know

Mass Effect shown in X05

Halo 3 was announced in 2006 and it was CGI as well

Like I said stop pretending MS is different, SW has fooled you. MS has shown CGI trailers and games way before their release date.

Um, no it wasnt:roll:

[QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"][QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="WillieBeamish"]

The only game they showed 'WAAAY' before release was Alan Wake, and that was shown before the 360 launched and they haven't shown it again since. For the past two E3's Microsoft has only shown what will be available within the next 12 months or so. Unlike Killzone 2, MGS4, FF13 etc. where Sony showed them three years in a row. Lets not get into who keeps showing CGI trailers of games year after year, shall we?

ermacness

Too Human was shown in 2005

Fable 2 was announced in 2006

Alan Wake you already know

Mass Effect shown in X05

Halo 3 was announced in 2006 and it was CGI as well

Like I said stop pretending MS is different, SW has fooled you. MS has shown CGI trailers and games way before their release date.

Um, no it wasnt:roll:

Still wrong. It wasnt CGI.

WOW, I really don't know what to say about this other than if I was a 360 owner, I would be pretty mad about it.Bubblehash

Nice contribution. I don't really mind. It doesn't make a difference to the experience I'm having at this moment in time with my 360. What would make me angry is if they turned up to Leipzig, did the press conference and then said, "Sorry, we are not/will not be able to deliver this product on time, or even atall"

As it is, I really don't care.

[QUOTE="ermacness"][QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"][QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="WillieBeamish"]

The only game they showed 'WAAAY' before release was Alan Wake, and that was shown before the 360 launched and they haven't shown it again since. For the past two E3's Microsoft has only shown what will be available within the next 12 months or so. Unlike Killzone 2, MGS4, FF13 etc. where Sony showed them three years in a row. Lets not get into who keeps showing CGI trailers of games year after year, shall we?

-DrRobotnik-

Too Human was shown in 2005

Fable 2 was announced in 2006

Alan Wake you already know

Mass Effect shown in X05

Halo 3 was announced in 2006 and it was CGI as well

Like I said stop pretending MS is different, SW has fooled you. MS has shown CGI trailers and games way before their release date.

Um, no it wasnt:roll:

Still wrong. It wasnt CGI.

Also Nintendo will also not have a conference at Leipzig which means only Sony will be there but I have a strong feeling that Sony will not show anything new or what people didn't already know.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]Ofc they have games, they probably just don't have enough to show to warrant a conference, sony has tons of first and second party dev's, if anyone truly thinks that MS will be able to compete in quantity with Sony their delusional, and yes quality is what matters.Eddie-Vedder

No one is delusional, that's all opinion, bud. I own PS3 and 360, but I'm more excited for the 360 releases. Do you have both consoles? If you don't, then I understand the fanboyish statements.

Fanboyism? Your denying Sony is working on more games then MS is? I said quality was what matters but everyone knows Sony has a lot more projects under their belt then MS does.

OMG. Are you serious??!?!?!!!! They showed CGI videos of halo 3 in 06 and we didn't see gameplay footage until around the time the beta kits were released
ermacness

Nope, still wrong. They've never shown CGI, they're not Sony. That Halo 3 announcement was all in-engine.

Also Nintendo will also not have a conference at Leipzig which means only Sony will be there but I have a strong feeling that Sony will not show anything new or what people didn't already know.

ReverseCycology

[QUOTE="ermacness"]OMG. Are you serious??!?!?!!!! They showed CGI videos of halo 3 in 06 and we didn't see gameplay footage until around the time the beta kits were released
-DrRobotnik-

Nope, still wrong. They've never shown CGI, they're not Sony. That Halo 3 announcement was all in-engine.

Actually it wasn't.

[QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"]

[QUOTE="ermacness"]OMG. Are you serious??!?!?!!!! They showed CGI videos of halo 3 in 06 and we didn't see gameplay footage until around the time the beta kits were released
dream431ca

Nope, still wrong. They've never shown CGI, they're not Sony. That Halo 3 announcement was all in-engine.

Actually it wasn't.

It was

[QUOTE="ermacness"]OMG. Are you serious??!?!?!!!! They showed CGI videos of halo 3 in 06 and we didn't see gameplay footage until around the time the beta kits were released
-DrRobotnik-

Nope, still wrong. They've never shown CGI, they're not Sony. That Halo 3 announcement was all in-engine.

[QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"]

[QUOTE="ermacness"]OMG. Are you serious??!?!?!!!! They showed CGI videos of halo 3 in 06 and we didn't see gameplay footage until around the time the beta kits were released
ermacness

Nope, still wrong. They've never shown CGI, they're not Sony. That Halo 3 announcement was all in-engine.

Im talking about Bungie, not Microsoft. All theyve shown was in-engine (other than the CGI advertisment on TV)

[QUOTE="dream431ca"][QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"]

[QUOTE="ermacness"]OMG. Are you serious??!?!?!!!! They showed CGI videos of halo 3 in 06 and we didn't see gameplay footage until around the time the beta kits were released
-DrRobotnik-

Nope, still wrong. They've never shown CGI, they're not Sony. That Halo 3 announcement was all in-engine.

Actually it wasn't.

It was

Bungie did the same thing with Halo 2. Pre-rendered trailer, just like Halo 3's announcement trailer.

[QUOTE="ermacness"][QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"]

[QUOTE="ermacness"]OMG. Are you serious??!?!?!!!! They showed CGI videos of halo 3 in 06 and we didn't see gameplay footage until around the time the beta kits were released
-DrRobotnik-

Nope, still wrong. They've never shown CGI, they're not Sony. That Halo 3 announcement was all in-engine.

Im talking about Bungie, not Microsoft. All theyve shown was in-engine (other than the CGI advertisment on TV)

so all of that was gameplay??!?!!! by the way, who do you think owned Bungie back then?

[QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"][QUOTE="dream431ca"][QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"]

[QUOTE="ermacness"]OMG. Are you serious??!?!?!!!! They showed CGI videos of halo 3 in 06 and we didn't see gameplay footage until around the time the beta kits were released
dream431ca

Nope, still wrong. They've never shown CGI, they're not Sony. That Halo 3 announcement was all in-engine.

Actually it wasn't.

It was

Bungie did the same thing with Halo 2. Pre-rendered trailer, just like Halo 3's announcement trailer.

It wasnt CGI, it was in-engine. Thats all i said.

[QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"][QUOTE="ermacness"][QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"]

[QUOTE="ermacness"]OMG. Are you serious??!?!?!!!! They showed CGI videos of halo 3 in 06 and we didn't see gameplay footage until around the time the beta kits were released
ermacness

Nope, still wrong. They've never shown CGI, they're not Sony. That Halo 3 announcement was all in-engine.

Im talking about Bungie, not Microsoft. All theyve shown was in-engine (other than the CGI advertisment on TV)

so all of that was gameplay??!?!!! by the way, who do you think owned Bungie back then?

LOL, that wasnt the Halo 3 announcement trailer. That was an advertisement for the game, it wasnt even made by Bungie.

It wasnt CGI, it was in-engine. Thats all i said.

-DrRobotnik-

But it wasn't actually in-engine. You can tell that because in the trailer there is dust flying around. In the actual game, there is no dust flying around like that. Also look at the sign moving with the wind, there is no wind in Halo 3. The trailer was not in engine at all.

[QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"]

It wasnt CGI, it was in-engine. Thats all i said.

dream431ca

But it wasn't actually in-engine. You can tell that because in the trailer there is dust flying around. In the actual game, there is no dust flying around like that. Also look at the sign moving with the wind, there is no wind in Halo 3. The trailer was not in engine at all.

I quote: "We won't ruin the content of our short presentation by describing it frame by frame, but we will note that everything you're seeing here is being rendered in real-time on the Xbox 360, using the current version of our Halo 3 game engine. The HDR lighting, self-shadowing, GPU-run particle system and many other effects should make it intact (and more) to our final game."

Link

[QUOTE="dream431ca"][QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"]

It wasnt CGI, it was in-engine. Thats all i said.

-DrRobotnik-

But it wasn't actually in-engine. You can tell that because in the trailer there is dust flying around. In the actual game, there is no dust flying around like that. Also look at the sign moving with the wind, there is no wind in Halo 3. The trailer was not in engine at all.

I quote: "We won't ruin the content of our short presentation by describing it frame by frame, but we will note that everything you're seeing here is being rendered in real-time on the Xbox 360, using the current version of our Halo 3 game engine. The HDR lighting, self-shadowing, GPU-run particle system and many other effects should make it intact (and more) to our final game."

Link

and the thing is, there is wind in halo. there is dust.

Halo 3 has lots of stuff going on and it actually reached bungie's trailer. Definately.

There is no dust in the multiplayer though because it goes for a more sterile environment there. Still pretty sure there's wind

hell the actual trailer scene was basically a cutscene (more so seeing stuff overhead)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEQcNnZKtS4

at 9 minutes

And if you watch that as well as halo 1 and 2's youll see halo has a story (although understand, most of it is told in game).

[QUOTE="ermacness"]OMG. Are you serious??!?!?!!!! They showed CGI videos of halo 3 in 06 and we didn't see gameplay footage until around the time the beta kits were released
-DrRobotnik-

Nope, still wrong. They've never shown CGI, they're not Sony. That Halo 3 announcement was all in-engine.

Yes they have:|

The following screen is from the Halo 3 commercial, which was confirmed to be CGI (as opposed to Sony's behavior might I add) long before the commercial even aired.

The following, however, is from the Halo 3 announcement trailer which was entirely in-engine.

Alan Wake. :(yellowandmushy

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/08/12/amd-cinema-2-0-tech-demo-real-time-photo-realistic-human-models/

"Developers from Splash Damage, Crytek, Rebellion, Remedy (yes, they're still making Alan Wake) and even Blizzard were highlighted in the presentation as partners of AMD. "

Worry not my friend, in due time, Remedy shall reveal this grand masterpiece.

[QUOTE="DaBrainz"]This means MS turned it's back on core gamers, right? If they arent showing the hardcore games on stage it must be true.ReaperV7

naw it just means they ran out of games to show :P

[QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"]

[QUOTE="ermacness"]OMG. Are you serious??!?!?!!!! They showed CGI videos of halo 3 in 06 and we didn't see gameplay footage until around the time the beta kits were released
ToScA-

Nope, still wrong. They've never shown CGI, they're not Sony. That Halo 3 announcement was all in-engine.

Yes they have:|

The following screen is from the Halo 3 commercial, which was confirmed to be CGI (as opposed to Sony's behavior might I add) long before the commercial even aired.

The following, however, is from the Halo 3 announcement trailer which was entirely in-engine.

That was a advertisement for the game, it was not a trailer shown by Bungie, they didnt even make it. Also, if youve read all my posts in this thread you'll see that I acknowledged this CGI advert. But i was talking about trailers, the E3 announcement trailer in particular. Bungie just dont use CGI to showcase games.

[QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"][QUOTE="dream431ca"][QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"]

[QUOTE="ermacness"]OMG. Are you serious??!?!?!!!! They showed CGI videos of halo 3 in 06 and we didn't see gameplay footage until around the time the beta kits were released
dream431ca

Nope, still wrong. They've never shown CGI, they're not Sony. That Halo 3 announcement was all in-engine.

Actually it wasn't.

It was

Bungie did the same thing with Halo 2. Pre-rendered trailer, just like Halo 3's announcement trailer.

Halo 3 did have a CGI teaser though, but it wasn't for its announcement, just a tv ad where Bungie revealed the bubble shield for the first time.

I guess that means that only Sony is showing up?

=/

Well, its not like I'm going to be able to view the conference anyways, so it doesn't matter to me.

[QUOTE="sargentbotk"]

[QUOTE="whodey8584"]They probably ran out of ideas to steal from other companiesRagnarok1051

What ideas did MS ever steal from other companies?

The Avatars are yelling so loud I just had to mention them.

thats your argument you might as well say sony is ripping off the sims with home and sony riped off MS Achievements= trophys movies availlible on consoles who started that.and to all of you saying theres no games to show ms dosent like to make CG trailers FOUR YEARS before a game comes out cough Killzone 2 cough

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="sargentbotk"]

[QUOTE="whodey8584"]They probably ran out of ideas to steal from other companiesZeppy007

What ideas did MS ever steal from other companies?

The Avatars are yelling so loud I just had to mention them.

thats your argument you might as well say sony is ripping off the sims with home and sony riped off MS Achievements= trophys movies availlible on consoles who started that.and to all of you saying theres no games to show ms dosent like to make CG trailers FOUR YEARS before a game comes out cough Killzone 2 cough

Wow chill out dude. When did I say Song never copied anything? Quit being a fanboy and admit the Avatars are a copy of the Miis.

[QUOTE="ermacness"]OMG. Are you serious??!?!?!!!! They showed CGI videos of halo 3 in 06 and we didn't see gameplay footage until around the time the beta kits were released
-DrRobotnik-

Nope, still wrong. They've never shown CGI, they're not Sony. That Halo 3 announcement was all in-engine.

If we are talking about the video of the chief on the cliff then yes -- that was at least a target render.

[QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"]

[QUOTE="ermacness"]OMG. Are you serious??!?!?!!!! They showed CGI videos of halo 3 in 06 and we didn't see gameplay footage until around the time the beta kits were released
Koalakommander

Nope, still wrong. They've never shown CGI, they're not Sony. That Halo 3 announcement was all in-engine.

If we are talking about the video of the chief on the cliff then yes -- that was at least a target render.

Yeah, it was their target for the final game all shot in-engine.

[QUOTE="Koalakommander"][QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"]

[QUOTE="ermacness"]OMG. Are you serious??!?!?!!!! They showed CGI videos of halo 3 in 06 and we didn't see gameplay footage until around the time the beta kits were released
-DrRobotnik-

Nope, still wrong. They've never shown CGI, they're not Sony. That Halo 3 announcement was all in-engine.

If we are talking about the video of the chief on the cliff then yes -- that was at least a target render.

Yeah, it was their target for the final game all shot in-engine.

And the game didn't look like that in the end.

It still looked good though.

[QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"][QUOTE="Koalakommander"][QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"]

[QUOTE="ermacness"]OMG. Are you serious??!?!?!!!! They showed CGI videos of halo 3 in 06 and we didn't see gameplay footage until around the time the beta kits were released
Koalakommander

Nope, still wrong. They've never shown CGI, they're not Sony. That Halo 3 announcement was all in-engine.

If we are talking about the video of the chief on the cliff then yes -- that was at least a target render.

Yeah, it was their target for the final game all shot in-engine.

And the game didn't look like that in the end.

It still looked good though.

actually, yea, it looks almost exactly like the render except for the spartan model (the model shown in the cg was actually in the beta though).

Everything else looks the same. You can find that exact spot on tasvo highway (the actual scene with the stuff going on is pof the storm closing/floodgate intro)

[QUOTE="ermacness"]OMG. Are you serious??!?!?!!!! They showed CGI videos of halo 3 in 06 and we didn't see gameplay footage until around the time the beta kits were released
-DrRobotnik-

Nope, still wrong. They've never shown CGI, they're not Sony. That Halo 3 announcement was all in-engine.

then they set them selves up for dissapointment when the final game didn't look that good.

[QUOTE="dream431ca"][QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"][QUOTE="dream431ca"][QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"]

[QUOTE="ermacness"]OMG. Are you serious??!?!?!!!! They showed CGI videos of halo 3 in 06 and we didn't see gameplay footage until around the time the beta kits were released
DrinkDuff

Nope, still wrong. They've never shown CGI, they're not Sony. That Halo 3 announcement was all in-engine.

Actually it wasn't.

It was

Bungie did the same thing with Halo 2. Pre-rendered trailer, just like Halo 3's announcement trailer.

Halo 3 did have a CGI teaser though, but it wasn't for its announcement, just a tv ad where Bungie revealed the bubble shield for the first time.

IMO that was the only device that was interesting to use. The other equipment wasn't very inspired.

I remember in early 07 everyone said MS didn't have any games for the second half of 07 because they didn't do the Sony thing of where at E3 2002 they're like, "Coming 2007". Well, time came and right as the second half of the year rolled around they announced a gang load of titles.

I remember in early 2008, MS hadn't announced alot of games for late 2008. Everyone was saying that last year was great but this year the 360 was dead and wouldn't have any games after like July. Then as the year went on they announced a bunch of titles and it looks like 2008 will now end with as big a bang as 2007 did.

I remember in late 2008 people were talking about Leipzig and said that 360 wouldn't have any games for 2009. Everyone was saying that 2008 was good, but 09 is going to be a drought.

There is a pattern here. I think MS knows that not too many people are really going to buy a console and then just sit on it waiting for some game thats 9 months away. You can announce these titles early and blow your load in hopes that someone will be like, "Well i'll buy a 360 today and wait 10 months before buying my first game" or you can just hold on to the games and release news close to when they are coming out so that everyone is like "whoa" at how you went from having no games to a massive release schedule that rivals or beats your competition. We should expect this just like we can expect Sony to announce games that won't be out for like 3 years. Its the MS thing. Thats what they do.

[QUOTE="Senor_Kami"]

I've noticed that MS doesn't shoot too far into the future. They've already shown everything up to like Q2 2009 and their end of 2008 line up is very strong in exclusives and multiplats and its not like there are people who don't know this.

They could pull the lid off of something coming out in late 2009, but then when they show updates in 09 people will be like, "I saw this a year ago... MS has no games coming out this year."

Javy03

Not true, Bioshock, ME, Halo, Fable, Alan Wake, all game shown WAAAY before the release date. Honestly I just think its them really running out of games. I mean even in E3 they just showed us all the games we already saw and knew about, tacked on a few multiplats and bragged about sharing a once thought PS3 exclusive and people cheered a success.

I think having a small 1st party studio and depending on buying 3rd party timed exclusives might be a good reason why there is little new to show.

It is coming close to three years too. I hear something about six years, HA what a joke. Its never happend before with ms. I'll believe when i see it.

[QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"]

[QUOTE="ermacness"]OMG. Are you serious??!?!?!!!! They showed CGI videos of halo 3 in 06 and we didn't see gameplay footage until around the time the beta kits were released
leejohnson7

Nope, still wrong. They've never shown CGI, they're not Sony. That Halo 3 announcement was all in-engine.

then they set them selves up for dissapointment when the final game didn't look that good.

[QUOTE="leejohnson7"][QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"]

[QUOTE="ermacness"]OMG. Are you serious??!?!?!!!! They showed CGI videos of halo 3 in 06 and we didn't see gameplay footage until around the time the beta kits were released
skektek

Nope, still wrong. They've never shown CGI, they're not Sony. That Halo 3 announcement was all in-engine.

then they set them selves up for dissapointment when the final game didn't look that good.

me too it looks bad compared to most games at least the multiplayer does, and there is way to much lighting in the game. It looks ok at best but i really could care less about the graphics. i lost all intrest in halo after 2 i just bought three for the campaign and i was dissapointed a lot.

I remember in early 07 everyone said MS didn't have any games for the second half of 07 because they didn't do the Sony thing of where at E3 2002 they're like, "Coming 2007". Well, time came and right as the second half of the year rolled around they announced a gang load of titles.

I remember in early 2008, MS hadn't announced alot of games for late 2008. Everyone was saying that last year was great but this year the 360 was dead and wouldn't have any games after like July. Then as the year went on they announced a bunch of titles and it looks like 2008 will now end with as big a bang as 2007 did.

I remember in late 2008 people were talking about Leipzig and said that 360 wouldn't have any games for 2009. Everyone was saying that 2008 was good, but 09 is going to be a drought.

There is a pattern here. I think MS knows that not too many people are really going to buy a console and then just sit on it waiting for some game thats 9 months away. You can announce these titles early and blow your load in hopes that someone will be like, "Well i'll buy a 360 today and wait 10 months before buying my first game" or you can just hold on to the games and release news close to when they are coming out so that everyone is like "whoa" at how you went from having no games to a massive release schedule that rivals or beats your competition. We should expect this just like we can expect Sony to announce games that won't be out for like 3 years. Its the MS thing. Thats what they do.

Senor_Kami

I think your forgeting about too human,alan wake,halo 3,etc