Nintendo has reached the limits of Wii U hardware

Yea, I really just stopped after that. I was hoping it was just trolling lol.

Depends on the PC. If it's high-end, of course, but then the price is also incomparable. But one could argue that the PS4 is very much a PC in disguise, the same can't be said about the Wii U.

In the end it doesn't matter though, the Wii U's hardware is inferior than that of the PS4 and Xbox One. That isn't even open to interpretation, it's just fact. Doesn't automatically make it a bad console, it still has its strong points, power just isn't one of them.

I swear, you people will try to "spin" anything...

you can get a "high end" pc for not much more than $1000 if you already have windows and the other peripherals. The wii U can handle ANY game that is on the xbox1/ps4 but at a lower quality. The reason the games aren't there is because wii u owners don't buy them. Wii U has better specs than ps3 and xbox 360, and I have no doubt that the ps3/xbox 360 could also handle these "next gen" games with some developer optimizations.

Not spinning anything, just stating facts.

I'm gonna stop you right there.

1. That's only true if you live in the US, otherwise you can just go ahead and (at least) double that price. Especially if you're dealing in pounds. Other Europeans here will be able to confirm.

And..

2. That's a pretty big "what if." What if I don't have the latest OS? What if I don't have these "other peripherals?"

I'm not going to bother with the rest of your post, because quite frankly, I think your train of thought is all over the place. That and I don't like "spinning." The Wii U is perfectly capable of standing on its own merits, without fans trying to paint it as something that it isn't.

1) Canadians also get a sweet deal. I don't know about Europeans and frankly don't give a shit. If pc hardware is more expensive there then im willing to bet consoles are also more expensive at a similar ratio

2) What if you don't have the latest "TV" to maximize crappy console graphics? 4 controllers? plus 3 more for blue toot?, don't forget to pay for online play? $20 premium added for games just because its a console. PC's "other peripherals" are common stuff that im assuming everyone has like a mouse/keyboard and monitor. Of course you can buy newer ones just as you could buy new controllers for consoles, but it isn't necessary.

Bottom line and im going to say it the last time, the Wii U has enough horsepower to handle any of the shitty console games you play on xbox one/ps4. They aren't available for one reason and thats because the Wii U is catered to a different market than the preteen 12 y/o -20 y/o college dorm jerk off that play CoD all day and night.

I wouldn't bet on that if I were you. You would lose. My PS4 was €399 (technically it was more like 380 with discount, but let's ignore that). A GPU that costs $200 on Newegg will cost me near €400. Those are just facts but since you don't give a shit about us, I won't give a shit about you. Have a good one.

i give less of a shit about you than you do about us north americans...sound fair? Your high computer parts costs sounds like a political issue that you should be taking up with your regional representitive. But if I were in your shoes id probably have done the same thing as well. Maybe you should consider moving here? If you have a solid education, Canada will accept you with open arms.

@blaznwiipspman1: lol whipped!!!!

@Blabadon: I remember when you weren't just a worthless troll and actually used to have stuff worth saying. Wonder what happened. I think Vita fanboyism just does that to people, honestly. I mean, we have SolidGame here, and you, both of you were pretty okay, and now you're just asinine, and the common factor is your almost slavish love for the Vita, so that must be it. That has to be it, for once correlation=causation.

@SolidGame_basic: i dont know. i dont know where the line is for any console. it goes back to the original problem: define maxed out. 1080P and 60FPS are not the defining properties of image quality. the PS3, PS4, 360, wiiu, X1, first xbox and 360 are all perfectly capable of 1080P and 60 FPS. they just cant do 1080P and 60 FPS in massive open worlds with masses of tesselation and all the latest advanced bells and whistles.

the wiiu is clearly the worst of the 3 in this regard but, as i say, upgrades are already clearly on the way next year (X and zelda). i dont know how close it is to its limit but it looks like its not on the limit yet.

take 3 games running on a PS4:

one game runs at 720P and 30 FPS but it still looks stunning. the AA is excellent. the animation is top notch. its a big open world and there are no loadig screens after startup. the lighting and texture detail induce joypuke. the cloth and hair simulation is second to none and so on and so on.

another game runs at 1080P and 60 FPS, has no AA to maintain the FPS, still looks very good (naughty dog meet their target render say) but the levels are small and everything is a bit more static.

game 3: a racing game running at 720P and 60FPS and kinda looks like GT6 but where the GPU is extensively used to support the simulation (CFD simulations around the car and so on). really cutting edge simulation stuff behind the scenes.

which game has maxed out the console more?

you cant just point at 2 properties of a game (framerate and resolution) and say its maxing out a console. arguments could be made for all 3 games above pushing the console to the limit.

I agree with you. Doesn't really say much to just point at framerate and resolution. You need to look at the content. I have a Wii U and have played the major AAA games like Super Mario 3D World, Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze, Windwaker HD, and Mario Kart. Those games are small in scope compared to most modern games. That's why it's easier to give them 60fps. Yet, no 1080p. So what does that say of future Ninty games? Will Xenoblade Chronicles and the new Zelda - which are both suppose to have open world - be 1080p/60fps? Can when we really say that Ninty will be able to maximize the Wii U to achieve this? Really? I don't think so.

I came in here to say that even if the Wii U has reached its full potential, which I doubt it has, I'm okay with that.

Honestly, I was happy with graphics during the PS2/Xbox/GC era. We so spoiled these days.

just the obvious about that weak hardware (that i intend to buy when the price is right)

i dont. If anything the market proved that simplicity is more dominant than features. Simply buying a 400USD console like PS4 which is considered pretty powerful is way more appealing to look for than specific Gaming Rig parts ,if the user is not well educated they can spend in excess of 1000,1500+. If theyre realllyy uneducated,they can buy an Alienware Laptop lol which is a huge rip off. Consoles are not going anywhere,the huuuuuuuuuge hype for PS4 opening was the proof off this.

That is entirely subjective and you know it...both the "pretty powerful" part and the assumption that people don't want to learn more about PCs.

@SolidGame_basic: even if (probably when) zelda and xenoblade are not 1080P or 60FPS...so what? if X only manages 720P and 30FPS and mario kart is 720P at 60FPS...does that mean both games only managed to squeez the same performance out of the wiiu and that MK8 had it maxed out? is X only just using the same performance in a different way? or did monolith still manage to get more out of the hardware than nintendo with MK8?

this is the problem...how do you quantify it?

thing is, I don't really see the Wii U as much more powerful than an xbox 360. and we already finished last gen. so what can Nintendo do to truly amaze me? they put a lot of money behind the gamepad but like the kinect it's just not resonating with people. I'm sure the Wii U will have some great exclusives next year. but what happens when the major PS4 and X1 exclusives come out? I expect new and unique experiences from Sony and MS because developers have the capability to do more. I don't really expect Wii U to blow me away.

*shrugs*

And? Nintendo games have never been about technical proficiency.

@charizard1605: I wonder how much of your life was wasted typing stupid long paragraphs in this thread

I wonder how much of your brain cells are wasted coming up with as mind numbingly dumb trolling responses as you do. Can't be much, you didn't have much to begin with.

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@charizard1605:

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