Nintendo failed with the Wii U and it's their own fault

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

Wii U is their last console. mark my words.

NathanDrakeSwag

I hope so. Nintendo is an embarrassment to the gaming industry.

You know sometimes I feel sorry for Nintendo fans as they are getting flamed from every direction, even Nintendo themselves are fanning some those flames. But then I see their responses. :lol: Let the fires of shame burn brightly!

You know sometimes I feel sorry for Nintendo fans as they are getting flamed from every direction, even Nintendo themselves are fanning some those flames. But then I see their responses. :lol: Let the fires of shame burn brightly!

The_Power_of_X

Says the obvious alt.:lol:

Even though Nintendo has the money to make another console if Wii U fails, I question whether or not they would. The console market is changing and there might just not be room for a company like Nintendo in it anymore, and if that's the case then there is no sense in wasting more money on a console that no-one is going to support. Nintendo would be better off going multiplatform. Maybe they will have the handheld market for a few years more, but even that is getting gobbled up by phones and cheap android tablets for kids.Timstuff

If they went multi-plat, they would be exclusive tablet and mobile developer, imo.

As long as their hardware sells, they got nothing to fear.

And WiiU can probably survive with low sales numbers. (not sure but GC managed to be profitable despite the low sales)

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]Even though Nintendo has the money to make another console if Wii U fails, I question whether or not they would. The console market is changing and there might just not be room for a company like Nintendo in it anymore, and if that's the case then there is no sense in wasting more money on a console that no-one is going to support. Nintendo would be better off going multiplatform. Maybe they will have the handheld market for a few years more, but even that is getting gobbled up by phones and cheap android tablets for kids.nameless12345

If they went multi-plat, they would be exclusive tablet and mobile developer, imo.

As long as their hardware sells, they got nothing to fear.

And WiiU can probably survive with low sales numbers. (not sure but GC managed to be profitable despite the low sales)

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]Even though Nintendo has the money to make another console if Wii U fails, I question whether or not they would. The console market is changing and there might just not be room for a company like Nintendo in it anymore, and if that's the case then there is no sense in wasting more money on a console that no-one is going to support. Nintendo would be better off going multiplatform. Maybe they will have the handheld market for a few years more, but even that is getting gobbled up by phones and cheap android tablets for kids.Timstuff

If they went multi-plat, they would be exclusive tablet and mobile developer, imo.

As long as their hardware sells, they got nothing to fear.

And WiiU can probably survive with low sales numbers. (not sure but GC managed to be profitable despite the low sales)

I don't know.

The Mario, Smash Bros., Pokemon, Donkey Kong and Zelda series still manage to turn millions on their platforms.

Infact, I would argue that on other platforms they would actually sell less than they do on their own.

Right now the challenge they're facing is small install base and slowly expanding user base on the U.

If that "trend" changes in a positive direction, the game sales numbers will increase also.

Failure? No.

Their own fault for having any of the issues they have now? I can agree its mostly their issue. Its never a good thing to become complacent especially in such an industry.

[QUOTE="lamprey263"]I find Nintendo's biggest mistake was miscalculating 3rd party support.whitetiger3521

And that is suprising? Just look at Nitnendo's history dude. 3rd party support has been declining for a long time now and it's their own damn fault!

They need a "System seller" too. Much like Angry Birds had everyone's attention with the smartphone market, Nintendo needs that and needs it NOW.bdmckinley

Nintendo DID fail the Wii U, but the reason is because they released well before any software was nearly ready.

One of their biggest mistake is their arrogance.

I can't say for sure but it seems to me that they are overconfident and consider themselves better than the market realities. I have heard a few pieces of news, now and in the past about how hard is to work with Nintendo in order to get a game for their console. 

To be honest, the price of a Wii U standard pack (the one with the big hardrive), here in my country is about 90% bigger than the XBOX 360 250 GB, the new, black edition of course. And that's a lot. For what?

Zombie U? Looks nice but not that nice.

Call of Duty Black Ops 2? C'mon, it's not a consolve exclusive.

Nintendo's original games? They are nice but they get boring fast.

Now Wii U owners will defend their purchase. XBOX owners will defend their purchase. PS3 ... but if you think about it without taking into consideration that you've invested / not invested in the Wii U, it's over-priced, there are few games for it, the tablet is not that good (you can buy a PS3 and a Vita at the same price) and Nintendo lacks any common sense.

I can understand why Nintendo considers that the Wii U will work out, no matter what. The WII kicked XBOX's and PS3 sales for years in a row and only after two or three years they declined. Wii consoles were top sellers, especially in the holiday period. Everyone said that the Wii will bomb, that it's not a console for real gamers, that, that. And everyone was right. It was the small kid who kicked the big kids in the nuts.

But the WII was actually good and innovative. It was cheaper than the PS3 and XBOX 360. The controllers were very decent, both from a quality point of view and from a functionality one. It targeted a rather large demographic. It had an awesome bundled game. There was a very good eco-system and exclusives like Dead Space for Wii or Resident Evil for Wii were actually very, very good. And hell, it could play YouTube videos when media players were very expensive.

It was a hit.

But what about the WII U?

Over-priced compared to the current generation consoles. Tablet inferior to most tablet computers and not very responsive. Limited games and very few exclusives. The ability to play on the tablet itself without the TV is over-rated (it's functional but it's not really a best case scenario). Lag, technical problems. Have I've said that it's expensive? 

Now, don't get me wrong. If you've bought an Wii U, I congragulate you. Playing Black Ops 2 on it or any other game must be amazing. I wanted a Wii U too. But the Wii U is like the amazing boxer who won the belt, by being superior, retired and returned in a new world, where the stakes are far higher. 

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]Even though Nintendo has the money to make another console if Wii U fails, I question whether or not they would. The console market is changing and there might just not be room for a company like Nintendo in it anymore, and if that's the case then there is no sense in wasting more money on a console that no-one is going to support. Nintendo would be better off going multiplatform. Maybe they will have the handheld market for a few years more, but even that is getting gobbled up by phones and cheap android tablets for kids.Timstuff

If they went multi-plat, they would be exclusive tablet and mobile developer, imo.

As long as their hardware sells, they got nothing to fear.

And WiiU can probably survive with low sales numbers. (not sure but GC managed to be profitable despite the low sales)

[QUOTE="bdmckinley"]They need a "System seller" too. Much like Angry Birds had everyone's attention with the smartphone market, Nintendo needs that and needs it NOW.KungfuKitten

They need a "System seller" too. Much like Angry Birds had everyone's attention with the smartphone market, Nintendo needs that and needs it NOW.bdmckinley

[QUOTE="Jag85"][QUOTE="bdmckinley"] An old meme but still relevant.nameless12345

This cycle is only half true.

The NES and SNES printed money but N64 and NGC did not.

Wii and DS did exceptionally well but 3DS and WiiU probably won't repeat their success.

Right now, Nintendo have to turn around the WiiU like they did with the 3DS.

[QUOTE="silversix_"]

[QUOTE="layton2012"]Another Wii U doom thread, that's a surprise :/super600

There should be a limit to how many threads are created by a user per day about the same topic.

This. It just gets very old & tiring.

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="Jag85"] This has been happening every generation, ever since the NES days.Jag85

This cycle is only half true.

The NES and SNES printed money but N64 and NGC did not.

Wii and DS did exceptionally well but 3DS and WiiU probably won't repeat their success.

Right now, Nintendo have to turn around the WiiU like they did with the 3DS.

The Gameboy Color and Gameboy Advance were what was making Nintendo majority of their money, not the N64 and Gamecube.

Look at all the deluded sheep in here saying "Oh well the Wii U is the PS3 of this generation" "Wii U will bounce back like the PS3 did"

The Wii U and PS3 are not the same. Playstation 3 and Wii U both have had a bad start but the DIFFERENCE is that PS3 was released as a console way ahead of its time but simply too expensive for consumers. Wii U is a console mad to catch up with the previous generation and its not super expensive so its reason for failing comes down to Nintendos poor decisions.

How can you sheep proudly believe that the Wii U will definitely bounce back when (lets face it) it will have no third party support? Playstation 2 was a weak console but its third party support was amazing + making games for it was easy.

Wii U won't fail but it will stay irrelevant for most of the next gen, only becoming relevant when games like Pikmin and Super Smash Bros release.

Look at all the deluded sheep in here saying "Oh well the Wii U is the PS3 of this generation" "Wii U will bounce back like the PS3 did"

The Wii U and PS3 are not the same. Playstation 3 and Wii U both have had a bad start but the DIFFERENCE is that PS3 was released as a console way ahead of its time but simply too expensive for consumers. Wii U is a console mad to catch up with the previous generation and its not super expensive so its reason for failing comes down to Nintendos poor decisions.

How can you sheep proudly believe that the Wii U will definitely bounce back when (lets face it) it will have no third party support? Playstation 2 was a weak console but its third party support was amazing + making games for it was easy.

Wii U won't fail but it will stay irrelevant for most of the next gen, only becoming relevant when games like Pikmin and Super Smash Bros release.

ThisIsTwoFace

Maybe because ninty totally failed in the marketing department annd they barely released no interesting games for the console.

[QUOTE="ThisIsTwoFace"]

Look at all the deluded sheep in here saying "Oh well the Wii U is the PS3 of this generation" "Wii U will bounce back like the PS3 did"

The Wii U and PS3 are not the same. Playstation 3 and Wii U both have had a bad start but the DIFFERENCE is that PS3 was released as a console way ahead of its time but simply too expensive for consumers. Wii U is a console mad to catch up with the previous generation and its not super expensive so its reason for failing comes down to Nintendos poor decisions.

How can you sheep proudly believe that the Wii U will definitely bounce back when (lets face it) it will have no third party support? Playstation 2 was a weak console but its third party support was amazing + making games for it was easy.

Wii U won't fail but it will stay irrelevant for most of the next gen, only becoming relevant when games like Pikmin and Super Smash Bros release.

super600

Maybe because ninty totally failed in the marketing department annd they barely released no interesting games for the console.

Look at all the deluded sheep in here saying "Oh well the Wii U is the PS3 of this generation" "Wii U will bounce back like the PS3 did"

The Wii U and PS3 are not the same. Playstation 3 and Wii U both have had a bad start but the DIFFERENCE is that PS3 was released as a console way ahead of its time but simply too expensive for consumers. Wii U is a console mad to catch up with the previous generation and its not super expensive so its reason for failing comes down to Nintendos poor decisions.

How can you sheep proudly believe that the Wii U will definitely bounce back when (lets face it) it will have no third party support? Playstation 2 was a weak console but its third party support was amazing + making games for it was easy.

Wii U won't fail but it will stay irrelevant for most of the next gen, only becoming relevant when games like Pikmin and Super Smash Bros release.

ThisIsTwoFace

Yes, every Console has an amazing library of software after 4 months on the market. :roll:

Just stupid.

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]Even though Nintendo has the money to make another console if Wii U fails, I question whether or not they would. The console market is changing and there might just not be room for a company like Nintendo in it anymore, and if that's the case then there is no sense in wasting more money on a console that no-one is going to support. Nintendo would be better off going multiplatform. Maybe they will have the handheld market for a few years more, but even that is getting gobbled up by phones and cheap android tablets for kids.Timstuff

If they went multi-plat, they would be exclusive tablet and mobile developer, imo.

As long as their hardware sells, they got nothing to fear.

And WiiU can probably survive with low sales numbers. (not sure but GC managed to be profitable despite the low sales)

The only things they have/had to keep getting mentioned is like Total War (SEGA), Virtua Fighter (SEGA), and Dragon Ball Z (Atari before Namco Bandai took over international localization rights), other than that, look where they are now? Atari (again, inb4Inforgrames) is bankrupt and SEGA's own fans, especially those that are fans of a blue hedgehog, a hair wearing witch, and a Saturn JRPG hate their ass.

Playstation 2 was a weak console but its third party support was amazing + making games for it was easy.

ThisIsTwoFace

:lol:

PS2 was a NIGHTMARE to develop for.  Widely regarded as being much worse than the PS3 ever was.

The PS2 had strong 3rd party support coming off the PS1 and it just happened to be right place/right time with DVD.  It was a perfect storm and Sony capitilized on it big time.

Ease of development was never the contributor for strong 3rd party support and massive success for the PS2.

Yes, every Console has an amazing library of software after 4 months on the market. :roll:

Just stupid.

Puckhog04

What's even more incredible is that the WiiU had a pretty AWESOME Launch Line Up.

What people were expecting though was since the console had about the same specs as a 360 or a PS3 it should have gotten, DMC, Metal Gear Rising, Tomb Raider, Bioshock Infinite, and Crysis 3.

it didn't though, and from the looks of it, it won't ever.

[QUOTE="ThisIsTwoFace"]

Look at all the deluded sheep in here saying "Oh well the Wii U is the PS3 of this generation" "Wii U will bounce back like the PS3 did"

The Wii U and PS3 are not the same. Playstation 3 and Wii U both have had a bad start but the DIFFERENCE is that PS3 was released as a console way ahead of its time but simply too expensive for consumers. Wii U is a console mad to catch up with the previous generation and its not super expensive so its reason for failing comes down to Nintendos poor decisions.

How can you sheep proudly believe that the Wii U will definitely bounce back when (lets face it) it will have no third party support? Playstation 2 was a weak console but its third party support was amazing + making games for it was easy.

Wii U won't fail but it will stay irrelevant for most of the next gen, only becoming relevant when games like Pikmin and Super Smash Bros release.

bbkkristian

Im actually very happy knowing that with Sony I know that I shall be getting the best multiplats and best exclusives with the PS4.

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"][QUOTE="ThisIsTwoFace"]

Look at all the deluded sheep in here saying "Oh well the Wii U is the PS3 of this generation" "Wii U will bounce back like the PS3 did"

The Wii U and PS3 are not the same. Playstation 3 and Wii U both have had a bad start but the DIFFERENCE is that PS3 was released as a console way ahead of its time but simply too expensive for consumers. Wii U is a console mad to catch up with the previous generation and its not super expensive so its reason for failing comes down to Nintendos poor decisions.

How can you sheep proudly believe that the Wii U will definitely bounce back when (lets face it) it will have no third party support? Playstation 2 was a weak console but its third party support was amazing + making games for it was easy.

Wii U won't fail but it will stay irrelevant for most of the next gen, only becoming relevant when games like Pikmin and Super Smash Bros release.

ThisIsTwoFace

Im actually very happy knowing that with Sony I know that I shall be getting the best multiplats and best exclusives with the PS4.

lol at thinking PS4 will be better than PC.

The tablet controller was a huge mistake considering they got the 3DS. Fail #2

whitetiger3521

Explain? The tablet controller adds something new to the console and seperates it from how convential consoles work.

Nintendo finally decided to go HD but the specs of the hardware will again lag behind the competition of the PS4 and new Xbox. Fail #3

whitetiger3521

Is this seriously such a huge problem? Why is everyone making such a big deal about this? Nintendo creates the best first party games in the market at the moment. Who cares if the graphics don't look exactly like real life. There is so much charm and the experience that nintendo creates through gameplay is unforgettable.

[QUOTE="Jag85"][QUOTE="nameless12345"]

 

This cycle is only half true.

The NES and SNES printed money but N64 and NGC did not.

Wii and DS did exceptionally well but 3DS and WiiU probably won't repeat their success.

Right now, Nintendo have to turn around the WiiU like they did with the 3DS.

Lionheart08

The Gameboy Color and Gameboy Advance were what was making Nintendo majority of their money, not the N64 and Gamecube.

Nintendo needs to go 3rd party and release games on ios/android and google tv's metal_zombie

*sigh*

First of all I am manticore to the max, I don't have any bias and love all companies equally...here's one of my setups:

I also for this gen have 2 PS Vitas (one black one white), a 3DS and a 3DS XL and I buy all my consoles etc. at launch.

The Wii U however, has been the exception to this as I know this is going to sound harsh but...the system just flat-out SUCKS.

Crap hardware, mediocre/trash games, tedious name, annoying main control scheme once the nolvelty wears off and for what it is and what the competition a) already has out and b) what is going to come out (ie PS4)...just plain overpriced.

But this is NINTENDO! We have to remember this and once the quality exclusives start rolling out it will be inevitably better just like it was for the 3DS but right now the system is garbage IMO.

[QUOTE="whitetiger3521"]

Everyone kept telling them not to continue with the Wii name and they didn't listen. Fail #1

lol who is "everyone"?

The tablet controller was a huge mistake considering they got the 3DS. Fail #2

What does their console controller have to do with their handheld?

Nintendo finally decided to go HD but the specs of the hardware will again lag behind the competition of the PS4 and new Xbox. Fail #3

Do you honestly think a dedicated gaming company will wage that war against two giants?

3rd party support is lagging big time and going the same route as the Cube and Wii. Fail #4

That is a fail.  And its been a fail for 15 years.

I don't know who is really in charge of Nintendo but whoever gave the green light for the Wii U needs to get fired.

Assuming the Wii U will be a total failure even though its only been out for a few months and Nintendo hasnt even launched their flagship yet.

The days of Nintendo are pretty much numbered unless they accept the failure of the Wii U and come out with a real console.

I've been hearing this for over a decade.  And I'll continue to hear it for over a decade more I'm sure.  Always a new generation of idiots to deal with.

 

 

sandbox3d

[QUOTE="ThisIsTwoFace"]

Playstation 2 was a weak console but its third party support was amazing + making games for it was easy.

sandbox3d

:lol:

PS2 was a NIGHTMARE to develop for.  Widely regarded as being much worse than the PS3 ever was.

The PS2 had strong 3rd party support coming off the PS1 and it just happened to be right place/right time with DVD.  It was a perfect storm and Sony capitilized on it big time.

Ease of development was never the contributor for strong 3rd party support and massive success for the PS2.

[QUOTE="sandbox3d"]

[QUOTE="ThisIsTwoFace"]

Playstation 2 was a weak console but its third party support was amazing + making games for it was easy.

jessejay420

:lol:

PS2 was a NIGHTMARE to develop for.  Widely regarded as being much worse than the PS3 ever was.

The PS2 had strong 3rd party support coming off the PS1 and it just happened to be right place/right time with DVD.  It was a perfect storm and Sony capitilized on it big time.

Ease of development was never the contributor for strong 3rd party support and massive success for the PS2.

Misinformation wars!

[QUOTE="sandbox3d"]

[QUOTE="ThisIsTwoFace"]

Playstation 2 was a weak console but its third party support was amazing + making games for it was easy.

jessejay420

:lol:

PS2 was a NIGHTMARE to develop for.  Widely regarded as being much worse than the PS3 ever was.

The PS2 had strong 3rd party support coming off the PS1 and it just happened to be right place/right time with DVD.  It was a perfect storm and Sony capitilized on it big time.

Ease of development was never the contributor for strong 3rd party support and massive success for the PS2.

Don't care what any fanboy says, if WiiU fails Nintendo might drop out from the console  system business.

WiiU will be the last of the Nintendo game systems.

Don't care what any fanboy says, if WiiU fails Nintendo might drop out from the console  system business.

 

WiiU will be the last of the Nintendo game systems.

Mrmedia01

Removing fanboy-ism, Nintendo did fail horrible in several areas with Wii U.

1: Name. Wii U does not differentiate it enough away from Wii, and it has been shown o confuse  consumers.

2: Marketing. It was *****. With all the Wii dollers in the bank they managed to fail worse at launch advertiing than Sony with the PS3.

3: No great system selling launch title games. And in general the third party has dropped support, which restricts its future catalogue growth.

4: Poor specs. Nintendo does not have to go toe to toe with PS4/Next Box, but it should not be struggling to prove its better than current gen tech. Thats pathetic.

5: Online has been improved, but still falls short of its competition.

Wii U is their last console. mark my words.

Jankarcop

Unlikely. It takes 2 to 3 consecutive failed consoles to exit the hardware market entirely. Nintendo made it big with the Wii. They have spare change. It'll take more than just the Wii U to take em' down.

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

Wii U is their last console. mark my words.

jhcho2

Unlikely. It takes 2 to 3 consecutive failed consoles to exit the hardware market entirely. Nintendo made it big with the Wii. They have spare change. It'll take more than just the Wii U to take em' down.

Mhm. 

Plus they own the handheld market. I think they'll be alright. 

*sigh*

First of all I am manticore to the max, I don't have any bias and love all companies equally...here's one of my setups:

I also for this gen have 2 PS Vitas (one black one white), a 3DS and a 3DS XL and I buy all my consoles etc. at launch.

The Wii U however, has been the exception to this as I know this is going to sound harsh but...the system just flat-out SUCKS.

Crap hardware, mediocre/trash games, tedious name, annoying main control scheme once the nolvelty wears off and for what it is and what the competition a) already has out and b) what is going to come out (ie PS4)...just plain overpriced.

But this is NINTENDO! We have to remember this and once the quality exclusives start rolling out it will be inevitably better just like it was for the 3DS but right now the system is garbage IMO.

eyebrows

[QUOTE="lamprey263"]I find Nintendo's biggest mistake was miscalculating 3rd party support.hiphops_savior

No one wants to develop for that sh!tty tablet.

At this point I can absolutely see nintendo changing to a software producer or a handheld/software producer. After all I've seen from the wii u it's pretty much deserved. They're definitely not the same nintendo that released the SNES thats for damn sure.