"Most gaming PC can't handle next gen ignite engine" says EA

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#1  Edited By GameFan1983
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Bad news for sports game fans, sports games(or any game powered by Ignite engine) on PC from 2013-20xx won't look or play on par with its next gen console counterpart for sometimes

"Even though there were some PCs on the marketplace that could run that engine, the lion's share of PCs on the marketplace could not,"

http://www.polygon.com/2013/6/17/4439532/ea-sports-ignite-pc-support-andrew-wilson-interview-e3-2013

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Ignite-Engine-FIFA-E3-2013-Andrerw-Wilson,23139.html

"According to Wilson, Ignite in its current form is designed not just around the particular components inside Microsoft's and Sony's next-generation consoles, but also around the specific architecture of those systems — in other words, "how the CPU, GPU and RAM work together in concert in that type of environment." The processors inside the PS4 and Xbox One may resemble x86 PC processors. However, that's not the only consideration for an engine that hasn't been customized for PC but has been built specifically for consoles.

"So could I see the potential for EA Sports Ignite to make it to PC in the future? Yes, I think it's possible, but a couple of things need to happen," said Wilson."

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#3  Edited By clyde46
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My GTX780Ti says hi!

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#4  Edited By megaspiderweb09
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Read the comment of what he said before swinging your giant PC winnies around the thread. He said it is possible in the future provided the Nvidia's and AMDs make the PC chip sets more like that of consoles. Jeez, you PC guys sometimes get irritating

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#5  Edited By deactivated-58e448fd89d82
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Jokes on EA.

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#6  Edited By jhonMalcovich
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Most gaming PC can't handle next gen ignite engine PC version of which still doesn`t exist ?

No way !!!

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#7  Edited By Salt_The_Fries
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http://www.3dmark.com/pcm8wrk/17864

This is my bro's. It won't handle it? And his card for some reason runs on PCI 4x, instead of 16x, whereas he has a motherboard with Gen3, so imagine what would the benchmark score be if that was sorted out.

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#8  Edited By deactivated-5b19214ec908b
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Neither can most consoles. Comparing out dated hardware to new hardware is just silly.

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#9  Edited By Consternated
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"No console can handle Frostbite 3 at 1080p/Med Settings" says DICE.

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#10  Edited By Kinthalis
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So most Pc's can handle the ignite engine... And yet they CAN handle their much more complex Frostbite engine? The one that consoles canb't even run at 1080p?

LOL!

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#11  Edited By -Unreal-
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I had to google it to find out WTF the Ignite Engine is. To my laughter filled surprise, it's a fucking sports game engine!

I can only summise this by:

  • It's EA
  • They're likely pissed that so many PC players have been shitting on them for BF4's horrid and unacceptable release
  • It's EA. PC gamers shit on them all the time. Because they deserve it.
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#12  Edited By -Unreal-
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@megaspiderweb09 said:

Read the comment of what he said before swinging your giant PC winnies around the thread. He said it is possible in the future provided the Nvidia's and AMDs make the PC chip sets more like that of consoles. Jeez, you PC guys sometimes get irritating

Oh right that explains it. Make "the PC chip sets" less powerful than the affordable chip sets there already are a plethora of on the market today...and yesterday.

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#14  Edited By deactivated-59b71619573a1
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Read the bloody thing people, he's talking about architecture not raw horsepower

"The way the CPU,GPU and RAM work together in concert in that environment"

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#15  Edited By miiiiv
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The next gen consoles cannot compete with hi-end gaming rigs, it's beyond stupid to believe that.

However they are more powerful than most PC's, since more than 50% of all PCs put there are probably office and/or older PCs.

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#16  Edited By R4gn4r0k
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Yet EA makes the best versions of their Frostbite engine games on PC... yeah sure that makes total sense.

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#17  Edited By AlexKidd5000
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@megaspiderweb09 said:

Read the comment of what he said before swinging your giant PC winnies around the thread. He said it is possible in the future provided the Nvidia's and AMDs make the PC chip sets more like that of consoles. Jeez, you PC guys sometimes get irritating

How does that even make sense? The consoles use PC HARDWARE! EA is talking out of there asses.

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#18  Edited By AlexKidd5000
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@seanmcloughlin said:

Read the bloody thing people, he's talking about architecture not raw horsepower

"The way the CPU,GPU and RAM work together in concert in that environment"

Still doesn't make any sense, what does that have to do with anything? PC has the raw power to overcome any supposed architectural limitations. Doesn't matter how optimized a PS4 XBOne game is, even a moderately powerful PC can handle it.

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#19  Edited By Chrome-
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lol

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#20  Edited By foxhound_fox
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This just shows how lazy they really are. Any technology can be made to work on almost any kind of hardware (within reason), it just requires certain sacrifices in fidelity in order to run.

Other developers are getting "next gen" PS4/Bone games running on the PS3/360/Wii U...

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#21  Edited By foxhound_fox
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This just shows how lazy they really are. Any technology can be made to work on almost any kind of hardware (within reason), it just requires certain sacrifices in fidelity in order to run.

Other developers are getting "next gen" PS4/Bone games running on the PS3/360/Wii U...

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#22  Edited By mirautaj
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Most consoles can't handle next-gen ignite engine engine..

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#23  Edited By NameIess_One
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@seanmcloughlin said:

Read the bloody thing people, he's talking about architecture not raw horsepower

"The way the CPU,GPU and RAM work together in concert in that environment"

Still sounds like bad PR to me... I may not be an expert on game engines, but I find it very hard to believe this engine requires some specific architecture to run properly.

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#24 deactivated-5c79c3cfce222
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EA rarely bothers with their sports games on PC (or handhelds :D). What he's saying is something like this:
"Sports games on PC don't bring in enough revenue to justify investing the resources required to make engine go. Currently it might run on beastly PC's, capable of brute forcing through our supremely unoptimized code. For it to become optimized, a couple of things need to happen; Financial justification, programmers and time."

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#25  Edited By silversix_
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what a joke... Is FIFA running on it? because the game looks like garbage and saying that PC can't handle that is so laughable that its not even worth talking about it. can't handle my ass lol

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#26 uninspiredcup
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Stopped buying EA games a while back.

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#27  Edited By Jankarcop
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8 more years of consoles having worse gfx/performance. Like last gen.

no amount of crying will change that.

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#28  Edited By Rage010101
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My new GTX 780 says herro

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#30  Edited By IgGy621985
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It's not about hardware, it's about marketing. They have to say PC hardware (or architecture, whatever) can't handle it since next-gen consoles need to sell. Sports titles are among the most anticipated next-gen titles. The same shit was with past-gen.

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#31  Edited By Bebi_vegeta
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@seanmcloughlin said:

Read the bloody thing people, he's talking about architecture not raw horsepower

"The way the CPU,GPU and RAM work together in concert in that environment"

Oh is it running on magic console sauce ?

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#32  Edited By GioVela2010
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All these tears won't bring Ignite to PC

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#33  Edited By wis3boi
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Most nextgen consoles can't handle their own launch titles

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#34  Edited By FPSfan1985
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Does anyone even belive this bullshit.

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#35  Edited By Couth_
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Yeah even the most high end PC's can't handle BF4 either. EA ENGINES ARE TOO STRONK.. AND BY STRONK I MEAN TERRIBLY OPTIMIZED, BUGGY, RUSHED.. EA sports titles are crap anyway.. 2k is going to put them in a coffin as soon as that NFL contract runs out

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#36  Edited By Jankarcop
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Meanwhile:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2013/11/14/dont-expect-xbox-one-or-ps4-patches-to-bump-games-to-1080p/

http://www.nowgamer.com/news/2154513/xbox_one_assassins_creed_4_sub1080p_according_to_reports.html

http://www.videogamer.com/xboxone/dead_rising_3/news/capcom_failed_to_meet_1080p_next-gen_target_on_xbox_one.html

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#37  Edited By deactivated-59b71619573a1
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@NameIess_One said:

@seanmcloughlin said:

Read the bloody thing people, he's talking about architecture not raw horsepower

"The way the CPU,GPU and RAM work together in concert in that environment"

Still sounds like bad PR to me... I may not be an expert on game engines, but I find it very hard to believe this engine requires some specific architecture to run properly.

I was mainly responding to some of the comments before mine, of course PCs could handle it but some people seemed to think they just mean "the engine is too strong for PCs"

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#38  Edited By ronvalencia
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@GameFan1983 said:

Bad news for sports game fans, sports games(or any game powered by Ignite engine) on PC from 2013-20xx won't look or play on par with its next gen console counterpart for sometimes

"Even though there were some PCs on the marketplace that could run that engine, the lion's share of PCs on the marketplace could not,"

http://www.polygon.com/2013/6/17/4439532/ea-sports-ignite-pc-support-andrew-wilson-interview-e3-2013

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Ignite-Engine-FIFA-E3-2013-Andrerw-Wilson,23139.html

"According to Wilson, Ignite in its current form is designed not just around the particular components inside Microsoft's and Sony's next-generation consoles, but also around the specific architecture of those systems — in other words, "how the CPU, GPU and RAM work together in concert in that type of environment." The processors inside the PS4 and Xbox One may resemble x86 PC processors. However, that's not the only consideration for an engine that hasn't been customized for PC but has been built specifically for consoles.

"So could I see the potential for EA Sports Ignite to make it to PC in the future? Yes, I think it's possible, but a couple of things need to happen," said Wilson."

Have they factor in AMD Mantle which is similar to PS4's APIs and optimization approach?

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#39  Edited By deactivated-59b71619573a1
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@ronvalencia said:

Have they factor in AMD Mantle which is similar to PS4's APIs and optimization approach?

I reckon they didn't.

I'm really looking forward to seeing what Mantle offers,

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#40  Edited By Bebi_vegeta
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@GioVela2010 said:

All these tears won't bring Ignite to PC

Only tears of consolite are accepted.

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#41  Edited By YearoftheSnake5
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Take everything EA says with a grain of salt.

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#42  Edited By Gaming-Planet
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EA - Consoles make more money, we aren't dealing with you PC gamers no more!

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#43  Edited By Gaming-Planet
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EA - Consoles make more money, we aren't dealing with you PC gamers no more!

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#44  Edited By ocinom
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well that's it..... time to throw my 280x and buy a PS4

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#45 NameIess_One
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@seanmcloughlin said:

@NameIess_One said:

@seanmcloughlin said:

Read the bloody thing people, he's talking about architecture not raw horsepower

"The way the CPU,GPU and RAM work together in concert in that environment"

Still sounds like bad PR to me... I may not be an expert on game engines, but I find it very hard to believe this engine requires some specific architecture to run properly.

I was mainly responding to some of the comments before mine, of course PCs could handle it but some people seemed to think they just mean "the engine is too strong for PCs"

I guess... but I'm too inebriated to tell the difference... if there is a difference...

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#46  Edited By Jamex1987
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@clyde46: I will never understand why anyone would pay that kind of money for a video card. It just doesn't make any sense. A year or two later then the video card is worthless. WHat PC gamers don't realize is that most of the PC gamers are running low end machines and playing counter strike.

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#47  Edited By Master_ShakeXXX
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@clyde46 said:

My GTX780Ti says hi!

PS4's 8 gigs of GDDR5 ram says hi.

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@Master_ShakeXXX: 8 gigs which you can't even fully use

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#50 clyde46
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@Master_ShakeXXX said:

@clyde46 said:

My GTX780Ti says hi!

PS4's 8 gigs of GDDR5 ram says hi.

Dat laptop CPU and GPU.

@Jamex1987 said:

@clyde46: I will never understand why anyone would pay that kind of money for a video card. It just doesn't make any sense. A year or two later then the video card is worthless. WHat PC gamers don't realize is that most of the PC gamers are running low end machines and playing counter strike.

Why should I settle for second best? I have the money, so why shouldn't I have the latest and greatest? You do know that people *gasp* like expensive things?