Microsoft is teh DOOMED! Yahoo reports....

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#101 Posted by jhcho2 (4551 posts) -

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="TheEroica"] Same can be said of sony... good riddance.TheEroica
No, Sony is not so bad...

Get off the cross kuraimen, someone else needs the wood... sony isnt some holy savior of gaming, never was never will be... they all want your money and theyll go to great lengths to get it... some are better than others at it.

Then who you have in mind? Nintendo?

#102 Posted by Duckyindiana (2288 posts) -
[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] No, Sony is not so bad...

Get off the cross kuraimen, someone else needs the wood... sony isnt some holy savior of gaming, never was never will be... they all want your money and theyll go to great lengths to get it... some are better than others at it.

I never have claimed Sony is the savior of gaming just that it isn't as bad as M$. M$ on the other hand I think its a pretty harmful company, monopolistic, FUD and shady tactics is what their business is about.

They are no worse than any other give it a rest, it's getting old!
#103 Posted by iiSnopel (7 posts) -
This feels like a world war, where one of the parties is starting to collapse... and about to give up. Microsoft surrenders to this conflict. Microsoft was doing well for their time... but with all this new technology coming out it's no surprise their head's on the chopping block. I'd actually laugh if Apple took over Xbox. "Hey guys! A new console has been announced! The ACube 5.1254601! Look! We made the console longer!"
#104 Posted by fadersdream (3154 posts) -
[QUOTE="fadersdream"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] You want people to lose their jobs? :?blue_hazy_basic
When did this become the gut response? Do you want puppies and moms to die? Well do you? "No"? Well then that means you agree with me, see how smart I am?

Is this how you react when lems troll Sony about their financial troubles? People taking joy in or hoping a company goes under seems a bizarre form of fanboyism. But if you're ok with it, each to their own.

What I'm not okay with is the dumbing down of society and people using catch-all's instead of providing genuine debate. The Ellsworth Toohey approach to problem solving does no one any good. Disagreeing is not equal to Troll, however claiming to be an anti-troll just to defend your preferred plastic doesn't make it true.
#105 Posted by blue_hazy_basic (28560 posts) -
[QUOTE="fadersdream"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="fadersdream"] When did this become the gut response? Do you want puppies and moms to die? Well do you? "No"? Well then that means you agree with me, see how smart I am?

Is this how you react when lems troll Sony about their financial troubles? People taking joy in or hoping a company goes under seems a bizarre form of fanboyism. But if you're ok with it, each to their own.

What I'm not okay with is the dumbing down of society and people using catch-all's instead of providing genuine debate. The Ellsworth Toohey approach to problem solving does no one any good. Disagreeing is not equal to Troll, however claiming to be an anti-troll just to defend your preferred plastic doesn't make it true.

What exactly is the catch all in that response? People celebrating the death of microsoft or sony means that 10,000's or 100,000's will lose their jobs. Whats your complaint with my response but not those celebrating a gaming company's collapse?
#106 Posted by kuraimen (28078 posts) -
[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="fadersdream"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] Is this how you react when lems troll Sony about their financial troubles? People taking joy in or hoping a company goes under seems a bizarre form of fanboyism. But if you're ok with it, each to their own.

What I'm not okay with is the dumbing down of society and people using catch-all's instead of providing genuine debate. The Ellsworth Toohey approach to problem solving does no one any good. Disagreeing is not equal to Troll, however claiming to be an anti-troll just to defend your preferred plastic doesn't make it true.

What exactly is the catch all in that response? People celebrating the death of microsoft or sony means that 10,000's or 100,000's will lose their jobs. Whats your complaint with my response but not those celebrating a gaming company's collapse?

That's a pretty shallow analysis considering a company's death can mean other companies' birth. And companies can harm the industry more than help it so yeah it's a gut response with not much analysis in between.
#107 Posted by TheEroica (14469 posts) -
[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="fadersdream"] What I'm not okay with is the dumbing down of society and people using catch-all's instead of providing genuine debate. The Ellsworth Toohey approach to problem solving does no one any good. Disagreeing is not equal to Troll, however claiming to be an anti-troll just to defend your preferred plastic doesn't make it true.

What exactly is the catch all in that response? People celebrating the death of microsoft or sony means that 10,000's or 100,000's will lose their jobs. Whats your complaint with my response but not those celebrating a gaming company's collapse?

That's a pretty shallow analysis considering a company's death can mean other companies' birth. And companies can harm the industry more than help it so yeah it's a gut response with not much analysis in between.

Funny, your comment comes off as more of a gut response... in the economic condition the world is in right now the goal is stability and I think at this time its on everyones mind that companies remain profitable and stable as to not further burden the working class with extra dipping into their pockets to support those without jobs... blue hazy basics comments are easily seen as showing sensitivity to the world economic market and the thousands if not millions of lives it effects to some capacity when a major company goes under. Your hypothetical gut response about one company dying and giving birth to new ones is just that.... hypothetical and in all honesty not what the world needs right now.
#108 Posted by kuraimen (28078 posts) -
[QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] What exactly is the catch all in that response? People celebrating the death of microsoft or sony means that 10,000's or 100,000's will lose their jobs. Whats your complaint with my response but not those celebrating a gaming company's collapse?

That's a pretty shallow analysis considering a company's death can mean other companies' birth. And companies can harm the industry more than help it so yeah it's a gut response with not much analysis in between.

Funny, your comment comes off as more of a gut response... in the economic condition the world is in right now the goal is stability and I think at this time its on everyones mind that companies remain profitable and stable as to not further burden the working class with extra dipping into their pockets to support those without jobs... blue hazy basics comments are easily seen as showing sensitivity to the world economic market and the thousands if not millions of lives it effects to some capacity when a major company goes under. Your hypothetical gut response about one company dying and giving birth to new ones is just that.... hypothetical and in all honesty not what the world needs right now.

Considering the economic collapse was in large part a cause of unregulated corporations going rampant with speculation big corporations like M$ are more part of the problem than the solution. As long as corporations like this influence markets and politics the way they do effectively creating plutocracies and not democracies then we're better off without them.
#109 Posted by TheEroica (14469 posts) -
[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] That's a pretty shallow analysis considering a company's death can mean other companies' birth. And companies can harm the industry more than help it so yeah it's a gut response with not much analysis in between.

Funny, your comment comes off as more of a gut response... in the economic condition the world is in right now the goal is stability and I think at this time its on everyones mind that companies remain profitable and stable as to not further burden the working class with extra dipping into their pockets to support those without jobs... blue hazy basics comments are easily seen as showing sensitivity to the world economic market and the thousands if not millions of lives it effects to some capacity when a major company goes under. Your hypothetical gut response about one company dying and giving birth to new ones is just that.... hypothetical and in all honesty not what the world needs right now.

Considering the economic collapse was in large part a cause of unregulated corporations going rampant with speculation big corporations like M$ are more part of the problem than the solution. As long as corporations like this influence markets and politics the way they do effectively creating plutocracies and not democracies then we're better off without them.

Yes big companies such as microsoft AND SONY are a machine that aims to make as much profit as possible to whatever extent needed... all big companies engage in some odd, and lowlife tactics and the regulation of that is important to move forward as a productive society but not at the expense of those who work hard for a meager living. Just because microsoft AND sony have corporate issues that need to be rectified i dont want them to disappear... i want them to be held accountable and move on. The one human flaw that constantly holds us back is our inability to use logic... nobody needs to lose their job but those who manipulate the practice of sound business.
#110 Posted by kuraimen (28078 posts) -
[QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="TheEroica"] Funny, your comment comes off as more of a gut response... in the economic condition the world is in right now the goal is stability and I think at this time its on everyones mind that companies remain profitable and stable as to not further burden the working class with extra dipping into their pockets to support those without jobs... blue hazy basics comments are easily seen as showing sensitivity to the world economic market and the thousands if not millions of lives it effects to some capacity when a major company goes under. Your hypothetical gut response about one company dying and giving birth to new ones is just that.... hypothetical and in all honesty not what the world needs right now.

Considering the economic collapse was in large part a cause of unregulated corporations going rampant with speculation big corporations like M$ are more part of the problem than the solution. As long as corporations like this influence markets and politics the way they do effectively creating plutocracies and not democracies then we're better off without them.

Yes big companies such as microsoft AND SONY are a machine that aims to make as much profit as possible to whatever extent needed... all big companies engage in some odd, and lowlife tactics and the regulation of that is important to move forward as a productive society but not at the expense of those who work hard for a meager living. Just because microsoft AND sony have corporate issues that need to be rectified i dont want them to disappear... i want them to be held accountable and move on. The one human flaw that constantly holds us back is our inability to use logic... nobody needs to lose their job but those who manipulate the practice of sound business.

It depends if you look at both companies histories M$ is much more shady and influential than Sony. Sony has never held a virtual monopoly status or competed in such a shady way as Sony. Sony is no angel but it's easy to see who potentially harms the industry more and it's not Sony. With M$ gone the PC market could open up much more and thrive with new oportunities.
#111 Posted by TheEroica (14469 posts) -
[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] Considering the economic collapse was in large part a cause of unregulated corporations going rampant with speculation big corporations like M$ are more part of the problem than the solution. As long as corporations like this influence markets and politics the way they do effectively creating plutocracies and not democracies then we're better off without them.

Yes big companies such as microsoft AND SONY are a machine that aims to make as much profit as possible to whatever extent needed... all big companies engage in some odd, and lowlife tactics and the regulation of that is important to move forward as a productive society but not at the expense of those who work hard for a meager living. Just because microsoft AND sony have corporate issues that need to be rectified i dont want them to disappear... i want them to be held accountable and move on. The one human flaw that constantly holds us back is our inability to use logic... nobody needs to lose their job but those who manipulate the practice of sound business.

It depends if you look at both companies histories M$ is much more shady and influential than Sony. Sony has never held a virtual monopoly status or competed in such a shady way as Sony. Sony is no angel but it's easy to see who potentially harms the industry more and it's not Sony. With M$ gone the PC market could open up much more and thrive with new oportunities.

Microsoft isnt nearly as bad as you make them out to be. Sorry
#112 Posted by blackace (21405 posts) -
[QUOTE="TheEroica"]

ok ok maybe a bit of a stretch but yahoo seems to think microsoft and stevebalmer are living the nightmare senario that xbox may not be able to save them from.... sounds familiar *ahem sony* the link...

TheEroica
Sorry cant link on gamespot from a phone... sigh http://finance.yahoo.com/news/steve-ballmer-s-nightmare-is-coming-true-181558610.html

Time to sell my stocks. lol!! Just kidding. I do have MS stock, but I also have lots of IBM stock. I don't think MS is going anywhere because they always have the money to purchase other games who are making money and succeeding. There are LOTS of coattails to hang onto if you have the right amount of money. Plus Microsoft is always looking at innovating. I think their Surface was priced too high to compete with the Apple IPad. You don't price you products at the same price as your competitor who is already established and popular. Why do you think the Kindle & Kindle Fire HD are doing so well? Because they are like 1/2 the price of the IPad and can virtually do almost the same things. Microsoft's Surface should have been $100 - $200 less then the IPads. I like their commercials, but if the product is expensive and the quality isn't great, it's not going to sell.
#113 Posted by blackace (21405 posts) -
I hope IPads dont replace PC metal_zombie
I don't see that happening anytime soon. It may replace a few laptops possibly, but desktops are here to stay for now.
#114 Posted by blackace (21405 posts) -
[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] No, Sony is not so bad...

Get off the cross kuraimen, someone else needs the wood... sony isnt some holy savior of gaming, never was never will be... they all want your money and theyll go to great lengths to get it... some are better than others at it.

I never have claimed Sony is the savior of gaming just that it isn't as bad as M$. M$ on the other hand I think its a pretty harmful company, monopolistic, FUD and shady tactics is what their business is about.

I think you are referring to EA and Activision. What you just said is exactly what these two companies do. Microsoft isn't as bad as that.
#115 Posted by TheEroica (14469 posts) -
[QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="TheEroica"]

ok ok maybe a bit of a stretch but yahoo seems to think microsoft and stevebalmer are living the nightmare senario that xbox may not be able to save them from.... sounds familiar *ahem sony* the link...

blackace
Sorry cant link on gamespot from a phone... sigh http://finance.yahoo.com/news/steve-ballmer-s-nightmare-is-coming-true-181558610.html

Time to sell my stocks. lol!! Just kidding. I do have MS stock, but I also have lots of IBM stock. I don't think MS is going anywhere because they always have the money to purchase other games who are making money and succeeding. There are LOTS of coattails to hang onto if you have the right amount of money. Plus Microsoft is always looking at innovating. I think their Surface was priced too high to compete with the Apple IPad. You don't price you products at the same price as your competitor who is already established and popular. Why do you think the Kindle & Kindle Fire HD are doing so well? Because they are like 1/2 the price of the IPad and can virtually do almost the same things. Microsoft's Surface should have been $100 - $200 less then the IPads. I like their commercials, but if the product is expensive and the quality isn't great, it's not going to sell.

Totally agree brother... and for me i wanted a surface pro for work and mobility purposes but after seeing the price im going after a laptop with some muscle that is $100 cheaper. Ms as a company is being met with competition for the first time on all fronts. Theyll be fine but that early windows dominance couldnt last forever... just like it wont for apple.
#116 Posted by TheEroica (14469 posts) -
[QUOTE="metal_zombie"]I hope IPads dont replace PC blackace
I don't see that happening anytime soon. It may replace a few laptops possibly, but desktops are here to stay for now.

You think desktops will make it? God i see going first based on mobility alone. Why do you say that?
#117 Posted by kuraimen (28078 posts) -
[QUOTE="Duckyindiana"][QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="TheEroica"] Get off the cross kuraimen, someone else needs the wood... sony isnt some holy savior of gaming, never was never will be... they all want your money and theyll go to great lengths to get it... some are better than others at it.

I never have claimed Sony is the savior of gaming just that it isn't as bad as M$. M$ on the other hand I think its a pretty harmful company, monopolistic, FUD and shady tactics is what their business is about.

They are no worse than any other give it a rest, it's getting old!

Yes they are...
#118 Posted by kuraimen (28078 posts) -
[QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="TheEroica"] Get off the cross kuraimen, someone else needs the wood... sony isnt some holy savior of gaming, never was never will be... they all want your money and theyll go to great lengths to get it... some are better than others at it.

I never have claimed Sony is the savior of gaming just that it isn't as bad as M$. M$ on the other hand I think its a pretty harmful company, monopolistic, FUD and shady tactics is what their business is about.

I think you are referring to EA and Activision. What you just said is exactly what these two companies do. Microsoft isn't as bad as that.

Yes they are... you're probably ignorant about their doings as a company.
#119 Posted by kuraimen (28078 posts) -
[QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="TheEroica"] Yes big companies such as microsoft AND SONY are a machine that aims to make as much profit as possible to whatever extent needed... all big companies engage in some odd, and lowlife tactics and the regulation of that is important to move forward as a productive society but not at the expense of those who work hard for a meager living. Just because microsoft AND sony have corporate issues that need to be rectified i dont want them to disappear... i want them to be held accountable and move on. The one human flaw that constantly holds us back is our inability to use logic... nobody needs to lose their job but those who manipulate the practice of sound business.

It depends if you look at both companies histories M$ is much more shady and influential than Sony. Sony has never held a virtual monopoly status or competed in such a shady way as Sony. Sony is no angel but it's easy to see who potentially harms the industry more and it's not Sony. With M$ gone the PC market could open up much more and thrive with new oportunities.

Microsoft isnt nearly as bad as you make them out to be. Sorry

Yes they are...
#120 Posted by metal_zombie (2288 posts) -
[QUOTE="metal_zombie"]I hope IPads dont replace PC blackace
I don't see that happening anytime soon. It may replace a few laptops possibly, but desktops are here to stay for now.

I like being able to upgrade without having to buy a whole new product. Ipads you can't upgrade them without having to buy a complete new one which will get expensive quick
#121 Posted by SUD123456 (4538 posts) -

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="fadersdream"] What I'm not okay with is the dumbing down of society and people using catch-all's instead of providing genuine debate. The Ellsworth Toohey approach to problem solving does no one any good. Disagreeing is not equal to Troll, however claiming to be an anti-troll just to defend your preferred plastic doesn't make it true.kuraimen
What exactly is the catch all in that response? People celebrating the death of microsoft or sony means that 10,000's or 100,000's will lose their jobs. Whats your complaint with my response but not those celebrating a gaming company's collapse?

That's a pretty shallow analysis considering a company's death can mean other companies' birth. And companies can harm the industry more than help it so yeah it's a gut response with not much analysis in between.

So I am to take it that you are ok with Sony going under, right?

#122 Posted by kuraimen (28078 posts) -

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] What exactly is the catch all in that response? People celebrating the death of microsoft or sony means that 10,000's or 100,000's will lose their jobs. Whats your complaint with my response but not those celebrating a gaming company's collapse?SUD123456

That's a pretty shallow analysis considering a company's death can mean other companies' birth. And companies can harm the industry more than help it so yeah it's a gut response with not much analysis in between.

So I am to take it that you are ok with Sony going under, right?

I wouldn't care if better competitors get in but right now if Sony goes M$ will dominate and that is the worst thing that could happen to any industry. I can't think of a worse option, not even Activision or Apple would be worse. The best thing that could happen to gaming is to M$ to disappear and a better competitor to take over or at least for the rest of competitors to balance themselves in a non monopolistic structure.
#123 Posted by themyth01 (13924 posts) -
[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] It depends if you look at both companies histories M$ is much more shady and influential than Sony. Sony has never held a virtual monopoly status or competed in such a shady way as Sony. Sony is no angel but it's easy to see who potentially harms the industry more and it's not Sony. With M$ gone the PC market could open up much more and thrive with new oportunities.

Microsoft isnt nearly as bad as you make them out to be. Sorry

Yes they are...

That's some convincing facts you're showing there supporting your point. Guess it may be time for Google or Apple to step in. Situation is different from Sony, difference being, MS is still making tons of money.
#124 Posted by kuraimen (28078 posts) -
[QUOTE="themyth01"][QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="TheEroica"] Microsoft isnt nearly as bad as you make them out to be. Sorry

Yes they are...

That's some convincing facts you're showing there supporting your point. Guess it may be time for Google or Apple to step in. Situation is different from Sony, difference being, MS is still making tons of money.

It's easy to find about M$' history of shady deals and practices. Not many companies have such a big crappy record. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Microsoft Or Samsung. I would rather have Samsung than Google or Apple. But I would rather have Google than Apple.
#125 Posted by Click_Clock (3632 posts) -

From the Article (basically the PC is dying from tablets and powerful smartphones...)

1. The iPad eats the consumer PC market.

This is happening right now. In the third quarter of 2012, PC sales were down 8 percent on a year-over-year basis worldwide. In the U.S., sales were down 14 percent. A big chunk of the decline can be attributed to the rise of the iPad. Apple sold 14 million iPads last quarter, which is more than the top PC maker, Lenovo, which shipped 13.7 million PCs. Throw in Apple's 4.9 million Macs, and it's the top computer maker by a mile.

As the personal computer market goes ...

2. Employees gradually switch away from using Windows PCs for work.

This trend has not played out that dramatically in 2012. However, British bank Barclays bought 8,500 iPads at employees' insistence this year.

And a recent survey showed that the iPhone has overtaken RIM as the smartphone of choice for enterprises. As more people get comfortable with Apple's mobile products at work, Microsoft will have to worry about them converting their Windows-based computers to Macs at work, too.

Microsoft has a plan to combat this but ...

3. Windows 8 fails to stop the iPad.

Gulp. It's still early, but every most data points say Windows 8 is not going to make a dent in the iPad.

-- NPD says Windows tablet sales were "nonexistent" between 10/21 and 11/17.
-- It also says Windows sales were down 21 percent over that period on a year-over-year basis.
-- Piper analyst Gene Munster was in a Microsoft store for two hours on Black Friday and saw zero Surface sales.
-- Microsoft reportedly cut its Surface order in half.
-- Ballmer said Surface sales were "modest."

Meanwhile, we can't think of any analyst who has cut his or her iPad estimate for the quarter based on Surface sales. In Microsoft's defense, it says it sold 40 million licenses, which it says is out pacing Windows 7. There's a chance analysts are wrong.

#126 Posted by SUD123456 (4538 posts) -

[QUOTE="SUD123456"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] That's a pretty shallow analysis considering a company's death can mean other companies' birth. And companies can harm the industry more than help it so yeah it's a gut response with not much analysis in between.kuraimen

So I am to take it that you are ok with Sony going under, right?

I wouldn't care if better competitors get in but right now if Sony goes M$ will dominate and that is the worst thing that could happen to any industry. I can't think of a worse option, not even Activision or Apple would be worse. The best thing that could happen to gaming is to M$ to disappear and a better competitor to take over or at least for the rest of competitors to balance themselves in a non monopolistic structure.

I already know that MS killed your dog.

I did not ask about MS. I asked about Sony. You cannot possibly know what would or would not happen with MS or other competitors entering the market if Sony went under. You specifically stated that a death can lead to another's birth.

So, please answer the question again without referring to MS in your response.

#127 Posted by savagetwinkie (7981 posts) -

This is a bad article, completely operating outside of logic,

here's one of the comments that explain it better than I could

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What a bunch of propaganda. Go to my site, EdTechExpert, and read about what a bunch of mythology the iPad and its "relevance" is. Some examples:

1) Colleges specifically tell students NOT to buy iPads. Why? Because (a) they can't do what you need them to do for productivity, learning, and getting work done; (b) they aren't being used in the real world.

2) Speaking of which, go to Monster job search and type in "iPad" or "iOS" as a job skill and see what comes up. The ONLY jobs that have it listed are for app programmers/developers -- which means you have to use a REAL COMPUTER.

3) According to NetMarketShare, 90% of devices are computers -- 84% Windows and 6% Mac. Only 10% of the entire market share is mobile -- including smartphones and all tablets -- and of that, abut 1.5% are iPads. So iPads have grown to 1.5% of market share over the course of 2 years?? How long would it take them to become the "dominant" device?? (Answer: so long that they will be obsolete before it happens)

#128 Posted by savagetwinkie (7981 posts) -
[QUOTE="SUD123456"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] That's a pretty shallow analysis considering a company's death can mean other companies' birth. And companies can harm the industry more than help it so yeah it's a gut response with not much analysis in between.kuraimen

So I am to take it that you are ok with Sony going under, right?

I wouldn't care if better competitors get in but right now if Sony goes M$ will dominate and that is the worst thing that could happen to any industry. I can't think of a worse option, not even Activision or Apple would be worse. The best thing that could happen to gaming is to M$ to disappear and a better competitor to take over or at least for the rest of competitors to balance themselves in a non monopolistic structure.

why will M$ dominate? in what exactly? M$ doesn't have a branded PC, or electronics outside of xbox really... Like 90% of Microsofts operating income is from business tools and windows so even if they gain ground in teh console space they still have to deal with nintendo... Secondly Sony dieing off wouldn't actually cause much to change apart from the console space, other companies will fill in natually in the electronics, it's fairly over saturated now any way. I'd only worry about it if I just bought a sony tv, it would suck to lose the manufacture warranty if the manufacturer collapses in on itself.
#129 Posted by Meeeper282 (1597 posts) -

Good, no one will miss them

#130 Posted by Basinboy (11407 posts) -

I cannot wrap my head around why practically all media outlets attribute everything bad happening to the PC to the iPad, like it's some kind of destroying angel. It still doesn't do jack crap beyond being a fantastic Solitaire simulator.

Windows 8 is failing because tablets simply can't do what other computing items can (or do those things as well). Why buy an inferior computer with a clunkier OS, so you can play Solitaire with your fingers? Go buy a deck of cards.

#131 Posted by superclocked (5863 posts) -

This is a bad article, completely operating outside of logic,

here's one of the comments that explain it better than I could

---

What a bunch of propaganda. Go to my site, EdTechExpert, and read about what a bunch of mythology the iPad and its "relevance" is. Some examples:

1) Colleges specifically tell students NOT to buy iPads. Why? Because (a) they can't do what you need them to do for productivity, learning, and getting work done; (b) they aren't being used in the real world.

2) Speaking of which, go to Monster job search and type in "iPad" or "iOS" as a job skill and see what comes up. The ONLY jobs that have it listed are for app programmers/developers -- which means you have to use a REAL COMPUTER.

3) According to NetMarketShare, 90% of devices are computers -- 84% Windows and 6% Mac. Only 10% of the entire market share is mobile -- including smartphones and all tablets -- and of that, abut 1.5% are iPads. So iPads have grown to 1.5% of market share over the course of 2 years?? How long would it take them to become the "dominant" device?? (Answer: so long that they will be obsolete before it happens)

savagetwinkie
I thought the same thing when I read the article earlier today. Everyone that I know has a PC, but I don't know anyone with an iPad. And even if Windows sales dropped from the previous year, Microsoft is still making money off of it's OS hand over fist...
#132 Posted by savagetwinkie (7981 posts) -
[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

This is a bad article, completely operating outside of logic,

here's one of the comments that explain it better than I could

---

What a bunch of propaganda. Go to my site, EdTechExpert, and read about what a bunch of mythology the iPad and its "relevance" is. Some examples:

1) Colleges specifically tell students NOT to buy iPads. Why? Because (a) they can't do what you need them to do for productivity, learning, and getting work done; (b) they aren't being used in the real world.

2) Speaking of which, go to Monster job search and type in "iPad" or "iOS" as a job skill and see what comes up. The ONLY jobs that have it listed are for app programmers/developers -- which means you have to use a REAL COMPUTER.

3) According to NetMarketShare, 90% of devices are computers -- 84% Windows and 6% Mac. Only 10% of the entire market share is mobile -- including smartphones and all tablets -- and of that, abut 1.5% are iPads. So iPads have grown to 1.5% of market share over the course of 2 years?? How long would it take them to become the "dominant" device?? (Answer: so long that they will be obsolete before it happens)

superclocked
I thought the same thing when I read the article earlier today. Everyone that I know has a PC, but I don't know anyone with an iPad. And even if Windows sales dropped from the previous year, Microsoft is still making money off of it's OS hand over fist...

if you really think about it, the iPad is a new market, the fact is you can't be product only on an iPad only.
#133 Posted by kuraimen (28078 posts) -

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="SUD123456"]

So I am to take it that you are ok with Sony going under, right?

SUD123456

I wouldn't care if better competitors get in but right now if Sony goes M$ will dominate and that is the worst thing that could happen to any industry. I can't think of a worse option, not even Activision or Apple would be worse. The best thing that could happen to gaming is to M$ to disappear and a better competitor to take over or at least for the rest of competitors to balance themselves in a non monopolistic structure.

I already know that MS killed your dog.

I did not ask about MS. I asked about Sony. You cannot possibly know what would or would not happen with MS or other competitors entering the market if Sony went under. You specifically stated that a death can lead to another's birth.

So, please answer the question again without referring to MS in your response.

Why can't I refer to M$ in my post? What kind of moronic restriction is that to shape an answer to your liking lol. I used the word can not will. That means that there's the possibility. With M$ there's better possibility for a change for better than with Sony. If you don't like my answer cry more.
#134 Posted by kuraimen (28078 posts) -
[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="SUD123456"]

So I am to take it that you are ok with Sony going under, right?

savagetwinkie
I wouldn't care if better competitors get in but right now if Sony goes M$ will dominate and that is the worst thing that could happen to any industry. I can't think of a worse option, not even Activision or Apple would be worse. The best thing that could happen to gaming is to M$ to disappear and a better competitor to take over or at least for the rest of competitors to balance themselves in a non monopolistic structure.

why will M$ dominate? in what exactly? M$ doesn't have a branded PC, or electronics outside of xbox really... Like 90% of Microsofts operating income is from business tools and windows so even if they gain ground in teh console space they still have to deal with nintendo... Secondly Sony dieing off wouldn't actually cause much to change apart from the console space, other companies will fill in natually in the electronics, it's fairly over saturated now any way. I'd only worry about it if I just bought a sony tv, it would suck to lose the manufacture warranty if the manufacturer collapses in on itself.

Because they have lots of experience using shady tactics to control and monopolise a market. They can put all that experience to use.
#135 Posted by TheEroica (14469 posts) -
[QUOTE="superclocked"][QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

This is a bad article, completely operating outside of logic,

here's one of the comments that explain it better than I could

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What a bunch of propaganda. Go to my site, EdTechExpert, and read about what a bunch of mythology the iPad and its "relevance" is. Some examples:

1) Colleges specifically tell students NOT to buy iPads. Why? Because (a) they can't do what you need them to do for productivity, learning, and getting work done; (b) they aren't being used in the real world.

2) Speaking of which, go to Monster job search and type in "iPad" or "iOS" as a job skill and see what comes up. The ONLY jobs that have it listed are for app programmers/developers -- which means you have to use a REAL COMPUTER.

3) According to NetMarketShare, 90% of devices are computers -- 84% Windows and 6% Mac. Only 10% of the entire market share is mobile -- including smartphones and all tablets -- and of that, abut 1.5% are iPads. So iPads have grown to 1.5% of market share over the course of 2 years?? How long would it take them to become the "dominant" device?? (Answer: so long that they will be obsolete before it happens)

savagetwinkie
I thought the same thing when I read the article earlier today. Everyone that I know has a PC, but I don't know anyone with an iPad. And even if Windows sales dropped from the previous year, Microsoft is still making money off of it's OS hand over fist...

if you really think about it, the iPad is a new market, the fact is you can't be product only on an iPad only.

When i read the article i got the sense that the writer was overemphasising the fact that microsoft simply has compelling competition... lets not kid ourselves to the idea that ms and windows was going to be the ONLY consumer choice for a rapidly changing technological world... doesnt mean ms is doomed (as i clealry joked about in the title...) it just means that theyre gonna have to live with and adapt to a market with less market share. Windows by most accounts is still fantastic and the pc is still highly relevant.
#136 Posted by TheEroica (14469 posts) -
[QUOTE="SUD123456"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] I wouldn't care if better competitors get in but right now if Sony goes M$ will dominate and that is the worst thing that could happen to any industry. I can't think of a worse option, not even Activision or Apple would be worse. The best thing that could happen to gaming is to M$ to disappear and a better competitor to take over or at least for the rest of competitors to balance themselves in a non monopolistic structure.kuraimen

I already know that MS killed your dog.

I did not ask about MS. I asked about Sony. You cannot possibly know what would or would not happen with MS or other competitors entering the market if Sony went under. You specifically stated that a death can lead to another's birth.

So, please answer the question again without referring to MS in your response.

Why can't I refer to M$ in my post? What kind of moronic restriction is that to shape an answer to your liking lol. I used the word can not will. That means that there's the possibility. With M$ there's better possibility for a change for better than with Sony. If you don't like my answer cry more.

Hes being nice... hes letting you know that the entire system wars community is tired of your unsupported claims and extreme and almost unhealthy bias against a compaby...
#137 Posted by OldSnakePS3 (306 posts) -
sony leaves gaming business = xbl price skyrockets M$ leaves gaming business = free online everywhere the horror
#138 Posted by blue_hazy_basic (28560 posts) -

[QUOTE="SUD123456"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] That's a pretty shallow analysis considering a company's death can mean other companies' birth. And companies can harm the industry more than help it so yeah it's a gut response with not much analysis in between.kuraimen

So I am to take it that you are ok with Sony going under, right?

I wouldn't care if better competitors get in but right now if Sony goes M$ will dominate and that is the worst thing that could happen to any industry. I can't think of a worse option, not even Activision or Apple would be worse. The best thing that could happen to gaming is to M$ to disappear and a better competitor to take over or at least for the rest of competitors to balance themselves in a non monopolistic structure.

MS is in a distant 2nd place in the console race for the current gen and likely to be passed by sony very shortly, last gen much the same. Sony on the other hand stuck a knife into Nintendo with the PS1 and ended Sega as a hardware manufacturer. Explain to me exactly how MS has been worse for the gaming hardware business, monopolistic and has displayed worse practices IN RELATION TO CONSOLE GAMING?

#139 Posted by jessejay420 (4089 posts) -
[QUOTE="TheEroica"]

ok ok maybe a bit of a stretch but yahoo seems to think microsoft and stevebalmer are living the nightmare senario that xbox may not be able to save them from.... sounds familiar *ahem sony* the link...

TheEroica
Sorry cant link on gamespot from a phone... sigh http://finance.yahoo.com/news/steve-ballmer-s-nightmare-is-coming-true-181558610.html

LoL im on a phone too..i hate that sh!t.
#140 Posted by blue_hazy_basic (28560 posts) -
sony leaves gaming business = xbl price skyrockets M$ leaves gaming business = free online everywhere the horror OldSnakePS3
Because the PC and Nintendo don't exist :roll:
#141 Posted by Heil68 (47172 posts) -
[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="SUD123456"]

I already know that MS killed your dog.

I did not ask about MS. I asked about Sony. You cannot possibly know what would or would not happen with MS or other competitors entering the market if Sony went under. You specifically stated that a death can lead to another's birth.

So, please answer the question again without referring to MS in your response.

TheEroica
Why can't I refer to M$ in my post? What kind of moronic restriction is that to shape an answer to your liking lol. I used the word can not will. That means that there's the possibility. With M$ there's better possibility for a change for better than with Sony. If you don't like my answer cry more.

Hes being nice... hes letting you know that the entire system wars community is tired of your unsupported claims and extreme and almost unhealthy bias against a compaby...

I'm not tired of his truths Erotica ;)
#142 Posted by blue_hazy_basic (28560 posts) -
[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] Why can't I refer to M$ in my post? What kind of moronic restriction is that to shape an answer to your liking lol. I used the word can not will. That means that there's the possibility. With M$ there's better possibility for a change for better than with Sony. If you don't like my answer cry more.

Hes being nice... hes letting you know that the entire system wars community is tired of your unsupported claims and extreme and almost unhealthy bias against a compaby...

I'm not tired of his truths Erotica ;)

How about his conspiracy theories? :P I do actually love those!
#143 Posted by kuraimen (28078 posts) -
[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] Why can't I refer to M$ in my post? What kind of moronic restriction is that to shape an answer to your liking lol. I used the word can not will. That means that there's the possibility. With M$ there's better possibility for a change for better than with Sony. If you don't like my answer cry more.

Hes being nice... hes letting you know that the entire system wars community is tired of your unsupported claims and extreme and almost unhealthy bias against a compaby...

I'm not tired of his truths Erotica ;)

Me neither :D
#144 Posted by lhughey (4302 posts) -
That was a very poorly written article with bad "facts" as supporting evidence.
#145 Posted by savagetwinkie (7981 posts) -
[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="superclocked"]I thought the same thing when I read the article earlier today. Everyone that I know has a PC, but I don't know anyone with an iPad. And even if Windows sales dropped from the previous year, Microsoft is still making money off of it's OS hand over fist...TheEroica
if you really think about it, the iPad is a new market, the fact is you can't be product only on an iPad only.

When i read the article i got the sense that the writer was overemphasising the fact that microsoft simply has compelling competition... lets not kid ourselves to the idea that ms and windows was going to be the ONLY consumer choice for a rapidly changing technological world... doesnt mean ms is doomed (as i clealry joked about in the title...) it just means that theyre gonna have to live with and adapt to a market with less market share. Windows by most accounts is still fantastic and the pc is still highly relevant.

if you actually understood M$'s position now they are already in the least amount of market share in the mobile market. The only thing that is legitimate about this article is maybe less PC sales because not everyone needed a full PC to begin with. Now that technology has caught up in the mobile space they are capable of just using a phone for 99% of their needs. Microsoft is trying to adapt but they haven't made any headway into the new mobile market that's risen up in the past years, they still have the market pretty cornered on desktops. Windows is still easily the best solution for most businesses,
#146 Posted by savagetwinkie (7981 posts) -
[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] I wouldn't care if better competitors get in but right now if Sony goes M$ will dominate and that is the worst thing that could happen to any industry. I can't think of a worse option, not even Activision or Apple would be worse. The best thing that could happen to gaming is to M$ to disappear and a better competitor to take over or at least for the rest of competitors to balance themselves in a non monopolistic structure.

why will M$ dominate? in what exactly? M$ doesn't have a branded PC, or electronics outside of xbox really... Like 90% of Microsofts operating income is from business tools and windows so even if they gain ground in teh console space they still have to deal with nintendo... Secondly Sony dieing off wouldn't actually cause much to change apart from the console space, other companies will fill in natually in the electronics, it's fairly over saturated now any way. I'd only worry about it if I just bought a sony tv, it would suck to lose the manufacture warranty if the manufacturer collapses in on itself.

Because they have lots of experience using shady tactics to control and monopolize a market. They can put all that experience to use.

What shady tactics would they use to monopolize or control gaming, Nintendo is still a huge factor and so isn't PC gaming, and now that there is a lot of focus on Ubuntu and mac support by steam, It's not like they can bundle mario with their gaming OS to snuff out the need for Nintendo, they just aren't in a position to control anything, which in turn means loosing sony isn't going to be much of a big deal, plus sony dev's are all experienced opengl game developers, they'd be the perfect developers to use ubuntu as their main platform for development.
#147 Posted by TheEroica (14469 posts) -
[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] if you really think about it, the iPad is a new market, the fact is you can't be product only on an iPad only.

When i read the article i got the sense that the writer was overemphasising the fact that microsoft simply has compelling competition... lets not kid ourselves to the idea that ms and windows was going to be the ONLY consumer choice for a rapidly changing technological world... doesnt mean ms is doomed (as i clealry joked about in the title...) it just means that theyre gonna have to live with and adapt to a market with less market share. Windows by most accounts is still fantastic and the pc is still highly relevant.

if you actually understood M$'s position now they are already in the least amount of market share in the mobile market. The only thing that is legitimate about this article is maybe less PC sales because not everyone needed a full PC to begin with. Now that technology has caught up in the mobile space they are capable of just using a phone for 99% of their needs. Microsoft is trying to adapt but they haven't made any headway into the new mobile market that's risen up in the past years, they still have the market pretty cornered on desktops. Windows is still easily the best solution for most businesses,

There is no doubt that ms has skidded a few products and hasnt been able to capture that coveted "sexy" product that apple puts out every year, but to say they are headed to extinction is false right now as the pc is very much still an essential part of lives around the globe. When devices outgrow the pc model THEN id say ms needs to be worried.
#148 Posted by TheEroica (14469 posts) -
[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] Why can't I refer to M$ in my post? What kind of moronic restriction is that to shape an answer to your liking lol. I used the word can not will. That means that there's the possibility. With M$ there's better possibility for a change for better than with Sony. If you don't like my answer cry more.

Hes being nice... hes letting you know that the entire system wars community is tired of your unsupported claims and extreme and almost unhealthy bias against a compaby...

I'm not tired of his truths Erotica ;)

There is no way you fall for his nonsense heil... no way. :P
#149 Posted by SecretPolice (23551 posts) -

They'll be just fine, stock price remains good but I will acknowledge one thing, I've never seen MSFT with such a low buy recommendation..

Rating: 3 out of 10 :shock: Normally a 9 out of 10.

Eh WTH, MS is doooooomed I tell ya, dooooomed. :P

#150 Posted by TheEroica (14469 posts) -

They'll be just fine, stock price remains good but I will acknowledge one thing, I've never seen MSFT with such a low buy recommendation..

Rating: 3 out of 10 :shock: Normally a 9 out of 10.

Eh WTH, MS is doooooomed I tell ya, dooooomed. :P

SecretPolice
Curious, what is sonys and Nintendos buy ranking?