Kotaku - Objectified Women Felt Like A Relic Of The Past

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#1  Edited By uninspiredcup
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You bastards
You bastards

In SoulCalibur 6, Ivy Valentine will be as she always was: wrapped in stringy cloth, balloon-breasted, mostly naked. She wields a snake sword that extends into a whip, a dominatrix’s weapon that’s helped land her in innumerable knock-off porn videos and pin-up images. As one the Soulseries’ most recognizable fighters, Ivy has always looked like a caricature of a pubescent boy’s preposterously-proportioned ideal video game lady.

Ivy’s over-the-top appearance may have fit in quite well with the boys’ club mentality of the late 1990s when she was introduced in the first SoulCalibur. 20 years later, at an E3 with down-to-earth playable female protagonists in Assassin’s Creed, Tomb Raider, The Division 2, The Last of Us Part 2, Battlefield 5,and other headlining games, Ivy in SoulCalibur 6 seemed a little out of place, buried deep within publisher Bandai Namco’s booth at the back of the show floor. It’s not just her Band-Aid attire; it’s that, by sticking to their guns (or, here, sword-whip), Bandai Namco has pigeonholed what could be a stellar fighting game for everyone.

The Soul seriesalmost didn’t live to see a seventh iteration, said SoulCalibur producer Motohiro Okubo, speaking with Kotaku in a small interview room behind the company’s E3 booth. “SoulCalibur actually was in a little bit of a crisis as a brand. The company climate wasn’t really encouraging another installment for the franchise,” said Okubo.

The series may have been seriously wounded, but the soul still burns, for now, as SoulCalibur 6 will be released for PC, Xbox One and PS4 on October 19. This version, Okubo said, maxed out the volume on what makes SoulCalibur feel like SoulCalibur, which seems in part to be a doubling down on its playable seductresses. In 2018, when so many mainstream games are casting a wide net across a redefined notion of what it means to be a “gamer,” Ivy feels like a bit of a relic of a past’s mainstream, like lead paint or cocaine for toothaches. Last week, I met with Okubo to ask him a burning question I’ve had since I first laid hands on SoulCalibur 2 in 2003: Why do the series’ women still look like sex dolls?

SoulCalibur 2’s intro has stuck with me, a little bitterly, since I was an overcompetitive 12-year-old craving another game to dominate at. The fighter Taki, in a skin-tight red suit and no bra, would land on the ground, breasts jiggling everywhere. A moment later, the camera cut to Ivy, who dramatically shimmied her torso before extending her whip. It was a sort of girl-on-girl action that, to me, felt explicitly designed for straight boys my age. As the camera angles changed, breasts were the first feature to appear. Sure, I didn’t have to participate in everything. But just from seeing the opening scene of this blockbuster fighting game—the moment when a game states its goals, makes its pitch, and reels in its audience—I knew that worming my way into the game’s culture, battling other players and getting competitive would be harder for me, even though I loved the gameplay, the stages, the single-player mode.

SoulCalibur’s pitch was a self-fulfilling prophecy. Unlike group-hangs when friends and I played Mario Party, Super Smash Bros., and even Burnout, SoulCalibur was a struggle to get in on. Boys I played with were significantly less likely to hand me a controller after a loss. Talking about SoulCaliburat school, these players would smirk at me when I’d weigh match-ups. In the tyranny of kids, who uncritically absorb and perpetuate whatever rules or structures they see, I wasn’t a part of SoulCalibur’s target audience. Years later, at a liberal college, I remember following friends into a room where SoulCalibur 4 was being played on a television. I love this game, I said, to a group of new faces who didn’t believe me.

n my interview with Okubo, I felt that I’d been presented with a golden opportunity to hear the response to a question I’d had for 12 years, a question about why a game I’ve loved still feels so off-putting to play. “I’ve played SoulCaliburgames, and I used to play a lot of Cassandra. I was playing Sophitia just now,” I told Okubo after playing a few rounds of the upcoming game. “I noticed that, in this version, her breasts are more prominent. You can see up her skirt. Ivy, still, is wearing not that many clothes. When I play a game like SoulCalibur, I feel like it’s not for me. I feel like it’s for men who might be interested in these characters. I’ve always sort of felt that about SoulCalibur. Is this something you consider?”

Here’s what Okubo said: “Of course, I am a man, as well as many of the people on the development team. That’s something that we should probably consider if that’s the opinion of a female perspective like you in the future. We weren’t necessarily going out to try and intentionally make something sexy for the purpose of being sexy.”

That’s a little difficult to believe, I told him. In 2011, SoulCalibur 5 director Daishi Odashima circulated a SoulCalibur breast size and shape guideline on Twitter, which delineated the exact proportions developers went for when designing their femme fatales. An ad for the game released in Japan cut out Ivy Valentine’s face, instead displaying a gargantuan pair of meticulously-shaded breasts wrapped in a fur coat. Another zoomed in on her ass, naked except for a thong.

In past games in the series—and in SoulCalibur 6, too—the fighters’ clothes fall off when they are damaged. This is a common feature in sexy anime games like Senran Kagura: Peach Beach Splash, High School DxD, Akiba’s Trip: Undead & Undressed. In Bandai Namco’s presentation on SoulCalibur 6, a spokesperson emphasized the mechanic: “Visually, we realized that the game has to be exciting for people playing, but also, spectators have to be excited as well, too. From round to round, if you continue to land these hits, characters’ armors break, costumes change. You could be in your underwear by the end of a match.” This isn’t deliberately sexy?

“It’s interesting you say you don’t set out to be sexy,” I continued, “because SoulCalibur has traditionally had really elaborate breast physics in the game. That doesn’t exist for gameplay, of course.”

“I think, as a result, the characters as a result end up being sexy,” replied Okubo. “That’s not something we can deny necessarily, but in the process of game design, we just really try to go after what we think would be cool actions, cool movement, strong, powerful movements. That is kind of a byproduct of this pursuit of trying to find what we think is pretty cool.”

What the designers of SoulCalibur find to be “cool” often ends up looking a little like a fantasy-skinned Playboycenterfold. Okubo says that SoulCalibur’s fighters are reflections of their weapons, one of SoulCalibur’s defining features as a fighting game. “There’s a weapon and there’s a character designed around it. If it’s a massive ax or a sword, naturally it’d be a more hulky type of male body,” said Okubo. “With Ivy, we felt her character with the weapon she wields has a very cold, icy, type of feel, which is this very cool beauty we were trying to express in the character. That was how those characters came to be.”

SoulCalibur 6 is looking like a strong entry in the series. The E3 demo plays great, and the graphics look like its predecessors’ wet dreams. With the series’ future in crisis, Okubo said that with this new entry’s “strong, powerful movements,” the team wanted to “pursue that SoulCalibur-ness throughout the development.” Is SoulCalibur 6’s Ivy, then, a cry for help, a summons to the fighting games’ core fan base?

If SoulCalibur 6 feels out of place at E3 2018, that’s in part because of where Bandai Namco hopes to place it, alongside the rest of gaming’s mainstream appeals. But the era of The Last Of Us Part 2 is also the era of Senran Kagura, of games that don’t feel the need to pretend to be something they’re not, to pretend that the titillating scenes got there by accident.

It’s common for a game’s producers to talk around criticisms, attributing one cause for complaint to some cool, special feature about the game. It’s similarly common for a game’s producer to backpedal when it’s clear they’re trying to have their cake and eat it, too. That’s part of the job—to make the game appeal to everyone. Yet it can’t simultaneously be true that SoulCalibur didn’t consider a female perspective, didn’t set out to be sexy, designed fighters exclusively around weapons and, also, doubled down on the breast physics in SoulCalibur 6. Seven years after SoulCalibur’s last installment, we’re in a different climate in games. It’s classier to call something what it is.

ABOUT THE AUTHOR

Cecilia D'Anastasio

If you didn't read this, can't blame ye.

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#2 ReCloud
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I pretty much agree with her.

When every single company from every type of media is moving away from sexualizing women, it really feels like a relic from the past.

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#3 ReCloud
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And this should be on political gamers btw.

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@recloud said:

And this should be on political gamers btw.

Not really, it´s not about Trump.

So the right place is here in SW.

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#5  Edited By Kali-B1rd
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Why do you keep posting this crap on system wars?

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#6  Edited By Ant_17
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Meh, Mario still just jumps and says mama mia, i'm fine with relics in my games.

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@recloud: except the Japanese

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@Jacanuk said:
@recloud said:

And this should be on political gamers btw.

Not really, it´s not about Trump.

So the right place is here in SW.

you guys just give her more fuel for the fire

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@Ant_17 said:

Meh, Mario still just jumps and says mama mia, i'm fine with relics in my games.

But hes a White Male, so the same standards do not apply, check yo privelege and all that!

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Shouldn't we be open minded ?

Shouldn't there be a place for both normal looking men and women, as well as burly men and cartoonish women in games ?

Or did I miss something where a single women hating on something means her opinion should be enforced upon dozens of developers who are making something with passion ?

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#11 Telekill
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Funny how people that say they are all about tolerance are the least tolerant.

Soul Calibur can be different (sticking with tradition) if they want. Not every woman in a game has to be the reimagined Lara Croft or Ellie. Fighting games like Soul Calibur, Street Fighter, Tekken, DoA, etc aren't going for realistic scenarios. In fact, their stories are generally borderline lunacy. If they want their female characters to show some T&A and you don't like that... it's simple. Don't buy the game.

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@kali-b1rd said:
@Ant_17 said:

Meh, Mario still just jumps and says mama mia, i'm fine with relics in my games.

But hes a White Male, so the same standards do not apply, check yo privelege and all that!

Fine, Samus still wears a skin tight suit.

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#13  Edited By Zaryia
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Considering all these threads, OP seems more triggered about this than SJWs are triggered about video games.

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#14  Edited By uninspiredcup
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@zaryia said:

Considering all these threads, OP seems more triggered about this than SJWs are triggered about video games.

Which you post, and argue in every time, without fail.

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well at least I know if I am a complete nobody and deside to spin up a website with words I write in my homely trailer at least I know if I write about women in games that the guys will give me all the publicity I could want

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#16 Zaryia
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@uninspiredcup said:
@zaryia said:

Considering all these threads, OP seems more triggered about this than SJWs are triggered about video games.

Which you post, and argue in every time, without fail.

Well gotta call out the truth.

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Lol, so women are having problems with hot, skantly dressed female game characters?

Meanwhile many male game character are extreme buff guys with unatainable physiques, yet men don't complain about it.

Don't buy the game if you don't like it, very simple.

Garbage kotaku article as expected.

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"Couldn't get competetive in SC because bobs and vagene."

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@Telekill said:

Funny how people that say they are all about tolerance are the least tolerant.

Soul Calibur can be different (sticking with tradition) if they want. Not every woman in a game has to be the reimagined Lara Croft or Ellie. Fighting games like Soul Calibur, Street Fighter, Tekken, DoA, etc aren't going for realistic scenarios. In fact, their stories are generally borderline lunacy. If they want their female characters to show some T&A and you don't like that... it's simple. Don't buy the game.

but but 99.9999% of games are like this so woman can't enjoy any games.

/s

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#20 stuff238
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“Years later, at a liberal college, I remember”...

LOL. Lost all credibility right there. Also LOL Kotaku.

Also, why do liberals hate attractive women with big boobs in video games? Do liberals realize that beautiful women with big boobs exist in the real world?

Shouldn’t big boobed women have a character that represents them?

I find it funny they are jealous of a virtual beautiful woman so they want to ban/bash/censor anything about the game.

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#21  Edited By TryIt
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@kali-b1rd said:
@Telekill said:

Funny how people that say they are all about tolerance are the least tolerant.

Soul Calibur can be different (sticking with tradition) if they want. Not every woman in a game has to be the reimagined Lara Croft or Ellie. Fighting games like Soul Calibur, Street Fighter, Tekken, DoA, etc aren't going for realistic scenarios. In fact, their stories are generally borderline lunacy. If they want their female characters to show some T&A and you don't like that... it's simple. Don't buy the game.

but but 99.9999% of games are like this so woman can't enjoy any games.

/s

this random woman and the fact that she wrote something on the internet would go nowhere...if it wasnt for you guys (people on the right throwing their SJW flag over creative decisions)

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@tryit said:

well at least I know if I am a complete nobody and deside to spin up a website with words I write in my homely trailer at least I know if I write about women in games that the guys will give me all the publicity I could want

Now that you mention it, she's pretty attractive.

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If the creators of the game want to show some skin, that's their prerogative. I don't have a problem with it.

Even if their sole purpose is to sell more copies, I still don't care. It's their game. Their vision.
They are free to have bikini-wearing soldiers all they want. Go full Senran Kagura.

Don't like it, don't buy it. Just don't try to censor it. More censorship is the absolute last thing we need right now.

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#25 TryIt
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@uninspiredcup said:
@tryit said:

well at least I know if I am a complete nobody and deside to spin up a website with words I write in my homely trailer at least I know if I write about women in games that the guys will give me all the publicity I could want

Now that you mention it, she's pretty attractive.

that would be clever if one could draw some line betwen what I said and that, even in some twisted way. but randomly completely unrelated reply isnt really going to work well as humor.

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#26 nintendoboy16
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@zaryia said:

Considering all these threads, OP seems more triggered about this than SJWs are triggered about video games.

Such is the case for SIW's, is it not?

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#27  Edited By uninspiredcup
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@tryit said:
@uninspiredcup said:
@tryit said:

well at least I know if I am a complete nobody and deside to spin up a website with words I write in my homely trailer at least I know if I write about women in games that the guys will give me all the publicity I could want

Now that you mention it, she's pretty attractive.

that would be clever if one could draw some line betwen what I said and that, even in some twisted way. but randomly completely unrelated reply isnt really going to work well as humor.

Was supposed to trigger you.

It worked.

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#28  Edited By TryIt
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@uninspiredcup said:
@tryit said:
@uninspiredcup said:
@tryit said:

well at least I know if I am a complete nobody and deside to spin up a website with words I write in my homely trailer at least I know if I write about women in games that the guys will give me all the publicity I could want

Now that you mention it, she's pretty attractive.

that would be clever if one could draw some line betwen what I said and that, even in some twisted way. but randomly completely unrelated reply isnt really going to work well as humor.

Was supposed to trigger you.

It worked.

ok first of it didnt

second..why would you want to 'trigger' someone?

thrid off...who would be impressed with ones skills to respond to something with a completely unrelated comment? that doesnt take skill bro

fouth off...it made you look like a moron, you did that to yourself

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#29 uninspiredcup
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@tryit said:
@uninspiredcup said:
@tryit said:
@uninspiredcup said:
@tryit said:

well at least I know if I am a complete nobody and deside to spin up a website with words I write in my homely trailer at least I know if I write about women in games that the guys will give me all the publicity I could want

Now that you mention it, she's pretty attractive.

that would be clever if one could draw some line betwen what I said and that, even in some twisted way. but randomly completely unrelated reply isnt really going to work well as humor.

Was supposed to trigger you.

It worked.

ok first of it didnt

second..why would you want to 'trigger' someone?

thrid off...who would be impressed with ones skills to respond to something with a completely unrelated comment? that doesnt take skill bro

fouth off...it made you look like a moron, you did that to yourself

poop.

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#30 TryIt
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@uninspiredcup said:
@tryit said:
@uninspiredcup said:
@tryit said:
@uninspiredcup said:

Now that you mention it, she's pretty attractive.

that would be clever if one could draw some line betwen what I said and that, even in some twisted way. but randomly completely unrelated reply isnt really going to work well as humor.

Was supposed to trigger you.

It worked.

ok first of it didnt

second..why would you want to 'trigger' someone?

thrid off...who would be impressed with ones skills to respond to something with a completely unrelated comment? that doesnt take skill bro

fouth off...it made you look like a moron, you did that to yourself

poop.

lol...absolutly amazing

you are actually putting effort into your persona

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Love the way the TC sums up her post with an intelligent and witty comment.

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#32 nintendoboy16
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@R10nu said:

"Couldn't get competetive in SC because bobs and vagene."

Well, to be fair. Haven't the FGC have history of not taking the DoA series seriously for exactly that? (Granted, they still take it seriously compared to Smash, but still)

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@tryit said:
@kali-b1rd said:
@Telekill said:

Funny how people that say they are all about tolerance are the least tolerant.

Soul Calibur can be different (sticking with tradition) if they want. Not every woman in a game has to be the reimagined Lara Croft or Ellie. Fighting games like Soul Calibur, Street Fighter, Tekken, DoA, etc aren't going for realistic scenarios. In fact, their stories are generally borderline lunacy. If they want their female characters to show some T&A and you don't like that... it's simple. Don't buy the game.

but but 99.9999% of games are like this so woman can't enjoy any games.

/s

this random woman and the fact that she wrote something on the internet would go nowhere...if it wasnt for you guys (people on the right throwing their SJW flag over creative decisions)

That doesn't address my point in any fashion.

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#34  Edited By xantufrog  Moderator
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Oh my god. Games are fine. There a bewbs everywhere.. The noisiest motherfuckers in this issue are some of you guys. For every one angry person who writes one of these progressive pieces, 50 of you post it all over the internet and shove it down our throats.

Newsflash: I wouldn't know about any of these "sjw" articles if you goofballs didn't keep sharing them.

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#35 uninspiredcup
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@xantufrog said:

Oh my god. Games are fine. There a bewbs everywhere.. The noisiest motherfuckers in this issue are some of you guys. For every one angry person who writes one of these progressive pieces, 50 of you post it all over the internet and shove it down our throats.

Newsflash: I wouldn't know about any of these "sjw" articles if you goofballs didn't keep sharing them.

I'm glad you edited out the yahoo, it was abit much.

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#36  Edited By Telekill
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@tryit: Wait... you think I'm a social justice warrior?

LOL

No... I point out their hypocrisy. Thanks for the laugh though.

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This is why Sony can't be trusted with the future of gaming.

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#38  Edited By SOedipus
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@nintendoboy16 said:
@zaryia said:

Considering all these threads, OP seems more triggered about this than SJWs are triggered about video games.

Such is the case for SIW's, is it not?

What does that mean? You’ve been posting that word a lot lately and only you, from what I’ve seen.

I’ve googled it with various results, one of which is ”strong independent woman“ from urban dictionary. You against women or make it up?

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@SOedipus said:
@nintendoboy16 said:
@zaryia said:

Considering all these threads, OP seems more triggered about this than SJWs are triggered about video games.

Such is the case for SIW's, is it not?

What does that mean? You’ve been posting that word a lot lately and only you, from what I’ve seen.

Social Injustice Warrior. It's a buzzword much like SJW, reversed, but obscure.

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#40 Kali-B1rd
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@SOedipus said:
@nintendoboy16 said:
@zaryia said:

Considering all these threads, OP seems more triggered about this than SJWs are triggered about video games.

Such is the case for SIW's, is it not?

What does that mean? You’ve been posting that word a lot lately and only you, from what I’ve seen.

I’ve googled it with various results, one of which is ”strong independent woman“ from urban dictionary. You against women or make it up?

You clearly didn't look very hard...

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Social%20Justice%20Warrior

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@tryit: Wait... you think I'm a social justice warrior?

LOL

No... I point out their hypocrisy. Thanks for the laugh though.

I dont know if you are, but people complaining about developers doing what they want with their code.

that aside, you SHOULD be a SJW. that is a good thing, being against any sense of social justice is not acceptable

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#42 SOedipus
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@kali-b1rd: clearly I did not. Thanks.....

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@tryit said:
@Telekill said:

@tryit: Wait... you think I'm a social justice warrior?

LOL

No... I point out their hypocrisy. Thanks for the laugh though.

I dont know if you are, but people complaining about developers doing what they want with their code.

that aside, you SHOULD be a SJW. that is a good thing, being against any sense of social justice is not acceptable

You mean like this woman was complaining about what the developers did with thier code?

And you clearly don't understand what a SJW is and why its a derogative term, please see the aboe link.

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#44 SOedipus
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@uninspiredcup: yeah, it wasn’t in the top Google search, except for the strong woman part. Good on em’

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#45  Edited By TryIt
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@kali-b1rd said:
@tryit said:
@Telekill said:

@tryit: Wait... you think I'm a social justice warrior?

LOL

No... I point out their hypocrisy. Thanks for the laugh though.

I dont know if you are, but people complaining about developers doing what they want with their code.

that aside, you SHOULD be a SJW. that is a good thing, being against any sense of social justice is not acceptable

You mean like this woman was complaining about what the developers did with thier code?

And you clearly don't understand what a SJW is and why its a derogative term, please see the aboe link.

yeah your right..I clearly do not understand

first off, being for a sense of justice is a good thing, being against justice is a silly thing

second off, the right does EXACTLY the same thing

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For those lazy to read here's the abridged version.

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#47  Edited By Kali-B1rd
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@tryit said:
@kali-b1rd said:
@tryit said:
@Telekill said:

@tryit: Wait... you think I'm a social justice warrior?

LOL

No... I point out their hypocrisy. Thanks for the laugh though.

I dont know if you are, but people complaining about developers doing what they want with their code.

that aside, you SHOULD be a SJW. that is a good thing, being against any sense of social justice is not acceptable

You mean like this woman was complaining about what the developers did with thier code?

And you clearly don't understand what a SJW is and why its a derogative term, please see the aboe link.

yeah your right..I clearly do not understand

first off, being for a sense of justice is a good thing, being against justice is a silly thing

second off, the right does EXACTLY the same thing

It's not hard to understand.... it just doesn't suit your world view.

Except Justice, especially social justice is filled with many grey areas depending on culture, religeon and just flat out opinions. If you get to the point where you are pressured with political correctness to an irrational/unbalanced level or that is flat out wrong then that is no longer justices, its mindless. It becomes cencorship... when you start modifying history to mask everything "bad" it becomes cencorship.

When you start banning Nazi HISTORICAL memorebilia, because of a few far-right nut jobs, you are causing cencorship.

E.G, in these scenarios, why is anti-sexualisation "Justice" when in reality, both sexes could be sexualisied.... its better than violence... oh wait... cultural issues again.

And lets not pretend sexualisation is MASSIVE for woman to men as well, or do I have to point out crap like Love Island, made in chelsea, only way is essexs etc?

or magic mike.

Or pretty much every male Super Hero in Marvel films now has a topless scene for the female audiance (Yet, the same doesn't apply to female characters...)

or how Clothes shops have topless men outside them, but the woman are always covered.

I'm not complaining about the above, if both are equal. just pointing out, sexual objectification has ALWAYS worked both ways... and in woman dominant industries it is JUST as prevelant as gaming.

But hey, yogurt adverts with "dumb, fit men being dumb" isn't evidence enough

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#48 nintendoboy16
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@SOedipus said:
@nintendoboy16 said:
@zaryia said:

Considering all these threads, OP seems more triggered about this than SJWs are triggered about video games.

Such is the case for SIW's, is it not?

What does that mean? You’ve been posting that word a lot lately and only you, from what I’ve seen.

I’ve googled it with various results, one of which is ”strong independent woman“ from urban dictionary. You against women or make it up?

You figure it out!

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#49  Edited By SOedipus
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@nintendoboy16 said:
@SOedipus said:
@nintendoboy16 said:
@zaryia said:

Considering all these threads, OP seems more triggered about this than SJWs are triggered about video games.

Such is the case for SIW's, is it not?

What does that mean? You’ve been posting that word a lot lately and only you, from what I’ve seen.

I’ve googled it with various results, one of which is ”strong independent woman“ from urban dictionary. You against women or make it up?

You figure it out!

I had my suspicions.

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#50  Edited By daredevils2k
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Lol so typical, the DUDESS are sooooooooo offended that gamers want female characters move to the modern era and be less sexualized. If you DUDES are that upset get a blow up doll, because it’s pretty obvious you DUDES couldn’t get a rea human being ,so you DUDES turn to games like soul caliber to get your rocks off.