Kotaku - Objectified Women Felt Like A Relic Of The Past

Well that was some pointless bit of information randomly shared with us all here.

can you stay on point?

Yeah but i don't exactly get any sexual vibes from Ivy either, it's a caraciture of someone and very not real.

Why are there so many parallels between some feminists/left-leaning journalists and religious conservatives? I remember an argument like this when I was in a Catholic school.

I feel if Jack Thompson was still around, journos wouldn't show that much resistance and would rather go: "maybe he has a point". Hell, some already did that when Orange attacked violent video games.

Killjoys.

@uninspiredcup:

Would be great if there's more games have those examples you gave, but we do have a clear disparity. And we're talking about sexually objectifying a character here with a clear intention of creating a sexualized model.

Here you go.

Thanks... I guess?

Identity politics advance the interests of layers of the upper middle class which are hostile to equality. For example, if you examine social inequality among minorities (especially black people in America), it is actually worse than social inequality as a whole in the US. This is partially driven by these politics. I can easily provide sources if you want to.

Note that I distinguish the aspirations for equality for women, all people regardless of their skin color etc. from identity politics, because those aspirations are progressive. Ideas centered around "political correctness" and such are a parcel of identity politics, again, advancing the interests of upper-middle or straight up bourgeois people who happen to be women/minorities. They are more concerned with making everything in society more comfortable for themselves.

I very much agree with the bolded part. There is also substantial historical and political context to that statement.

I read that 3 times and it still doesn't make any sense.

@jereb31: Welcome.

And to think, members of GG helped vote him in. Though as his cult will probably say:

I was wondering how long it would take for someone to bring Trump up.

Of course there should, and there is. There's absolutely nothing wrong with overly sexualized women in adult media. That's kind of the perk of being an adult - you can do and enjoy what you want (within the law). There are some people who don't like that and would rather be told what they should and shouldn't like, that's fine by me, but leave me the **** out of it.

@Chutebox: The new GOW significantly toned-down the sexualization of earlier GOW games. The top 10 is dominated by games without sexualization, showing that the US market has largely moved away from sexualization.

Wow moved away? So the top 10 used to be consistently dominated by games with sexualization? I'm not sure I believe that but it would be interesting.

@KungfuKitten: Maybe "moving away" might not be the right words. The point is that the lack of sexualization among most of the heavy hitters goes against the sex sells theory.

Ah yes I am not convinced either that sex sells most in video games. Which is interesting to me because I remember seeing some stats from I guess about 10 years ago that an enormous chunk of websites made every day were pornographic and online a lot of the money was made with pornographic content. I wonder how that has developed over time. Because I always thought that it would transition slowly into games.

But yes you are clearly right that you can make very successful video games without needing to sexualize characters in any way. And that is great for the people who don't like that sort of stuff.

@KungfuKitten: no they were never dominated by those type of games. I said that but it was ignored by him

Other games without sexualization selling more doesn't mean sex doesn't sell. Otherwise, NSFW art wouldn't sell more than SFW art.

Games like Senran Kagura would be in a much worse position if they didn't have the t&a to prop them up (we'll see about DoA6, but my gut feeling tells me that if they don't backtrack like they did with DoA5, it's not going to sell more than the latter) . Not to mention, the lewd DLC costumes for Fighting games are usually the best sellers.

And remember the gushing for 2B's magnificent ass that was all around the Internet? I think we can agree that didn't hurt its sales. If anything, I'd say it helped.

Social inequality among only black people is worse than social inequality in America as a whole.

Easy example: if you took all of the black people in america, you would have an America that is more unequal than regular America. Despite what the politics of the sycophantic Van Jones's and Ta-Nehisi Coates appear to be, they are opposed to social equality, and also the cause of more social inequality through these politics.

EDIT: can provide sources. Don't think it is material for this board though.

how is that measured?

99% with $20,000k a year and 1 person making a million = larger inequality?

regardless, how is that relevant to anything discussed here?

@93BlackHawk93: You may have a point when it comes to niche games. But when it comes to mainstream games, that's when the sex sells theory breaks down. Sex sells is like a double-edged sword, a turn-on for many but also a turn-off for many others. That's why most mainstream games avoid it.

...Or at least that's the case for Western markets. The same might not be true for Asian markets.

I miss objectified women :/ videogames are supposed to be separate from reality, where you could exaggerate things. Now u cant? wtf?

@tryit: that's measured through the value of indivudials alongside their income. The bureau of labor and many organizations routinely measure social equality/inequality, and it is done so often that it has been standardized to simple number metrics by some orgs. You could have figured that out, but oh well.

Additionally, 1. you asked about that point, so I clarified, and

2. Why don't you go ahead and backtrack to see where I started this, then you took it in this direction.

Topic

where we are now

not remotely the same

Only ugly women are bothered by this.

Because its even sexist now to play mario because princess peach is a "Damsel in Distress" that may offend some people.

What a time to be ali....wait.

@kali-b1rd: Because its even sexist now to play mario because princess peach is a "Damsel in Distress" that may offend some people.

I thought that was sexist and cliched when I was 7.

Mario is shit anyway.

Is there a point when boobs become too big?

http://www.health.com/health/video/0,,20938528,00.html

According to scientists the Venus De Milo has the perfect rack.

She doesn't know past.

In the past, women weren't allowed to be sexualized. What a prune and moralist! Feminism is like a damn religion for these people that can't decide whether slut shaming is bad or good.

BTW Resetera now bans people for being positive towards historical accuracy in BF V because it hints at an 'exclusion' (an interesting term to use here) of virtual women. Not long before the only people left there are the ones who are a little crazy in the head. Again a lot of people who made sound arguments got banned. Which is probably where Funhaus got their 'information' from because their talks about BF V were a little tiny bit onesided and misguided.

Same with Reddit which has become essentially Resetera 2. They no longer want anyone to talk about historical accuracy in games because it's a game. It's just a game, guys. It's meant for kids, it's not to be taken seriously. You cannot have historical accuracy in games. You're not allowed to care about that. They will determine what you will like about a game and what is allowed in a game and what you are allowed to talk about. Not to the extend of being sensible or inclusive, but in accordance to their random thought patterns. Good luck not being on the wrong side of the fence on Redditera in 2018. You're going to need it.

And Twitch has started thought-policing. You are no longer allowed to state anything controversial or have anything controversial appear in your chat on-screen, or you will be banned. No discussions allowed on Twitch. What if Twitch turns out to be far-right leaning and won't allow you to say anything positive about women ever again? But more likely it's a Resetera 3. And then no talk about men is allowed? They are already including sexism in their bans: Male streamer are getting bans faster and longer than women.

Where have all the sane people gone? They keep getting banned from all these places.

I think we need more (foreign?) sites for developers and gamers to come together and talk freely about controversial topics without having to pretend to agree to an enforced sexist thought pattern that is all over the place, and that is based on no discussion or arguments since nobody is allowed to discuss it. In the US particularly people are extremely sensitive right now to words and opinions, and that impedes on being able to have discourse. You know how I feel about echo chambers. I think online echo chambers are damaging to the human mind so I am a little distressed by these types of developments. I know that GS is relatively free but I don't know whether it will last. So it would be good to have some other places for people to go to in case GS crumbles down under the weight of far-left corruption.

Mark Lilla: "If you say to someone: 'You must understand me, but you can't understand me because of who you are', you completely, hermetically sealed yourself and you're unable to persuade anyone else. And so your politics become expressive, and you fall in love with noble defeats."
Sam Harris: "...and you become a bully, too. That is what is left for you to do, by way of persuasion, because reason has failed, is to just bully people."