In just 8 months the Xbone lost MS 400 million dollars

VR is going to be very interesting as I'm not sure it will ever truly take off outside of a very niche group. No doubt MS is looking into it, along with utilizing the cloud with their games. I wouldn't be surprised if Oculus Rift ends up on the One at some point. And while I don't think we'll see a Kinect 3, voice commands will be a part of the next Xbox IMHO. It'll be very interesting to see how this all plays out.

And it's been less then a year since the console launched.

No they do not directly, It was developed with Philips and other members of the "Blu-ray Disc Association" and contributing to the development of the format like Pioneer,LG Electronics, Hitachi, Sharp etc The current Board of Directors is comprised of Apple, Dell, HP, Hitachi, LG, Mitsubishi Electric, Panasonic, Pioneer, Philips, Samsung, Sharp, Sony, 20th Century Fox etc

It belongs to a patent pool, just like the audio and video codecs,and hardware patent tech that runs it, just like the HDMI founders who are also a group or collective patent holders. When a product is developed someone is always paying someone else In the end.....but in the end the money just goes around Sure some minute portion of monetary recompense may go to Sony via MS, but it is reciprocal when as Sony has to use MS tech as well...

I think most of that loss is due to R&D for the console... a lot of that will be made back over the next few years I'd say.

This, nuff said.

Sony is bleeding money, their ceo and key members take paycheck cuts, infact sony will take 488 million loss this year from what i heard.

Why would I care how much money MS loses on XBOX?? You see, I have a life, a job, a wife, kids and I exercise! Anyone who sits around all day trying to dig up negative press about gaming company's is a complete loser and should really take a long look in the mirror and see where their life is headed. I play games for fun. If MS and XBOX go away tomorrow, I will find something else to do!!!

Because if a product is not financially stable,why would they keep supporting it?

Each division is like its own company. It doesn't matter if the other divisions are hugely profitable. If the Xbox division continues to bleed money, then it's going to get canned.

The company makes billions in profits every quarter. Why would they need to sell buildings? lol!! This is Sony who has been doing the complete opposite for the past 6 years. Sony has lost billions every year for 6 years straight. This is why they dumped their PC/Laptop Division, sold 2 HQ (in Tokyo and New York), sold over 350 million in stocks. sold their SquareEnix stock and laid off over 8500 employees over the past year. Get a clue kid.

They already dumped a few thousand Nokie employees. So that's been covered. $400 million loss and billions in profits every quarter. lol!! I don't think the $400 million is going to hurt them much.

For someone that says "lol!!" and "LMAO!!" every 3 words, you sure don't get something as simple as a joke.

playstations would still be using dial up lol

Pretty sure they have that.

Everyone was aware of this, except those that unfortunately lived in a high cloud believing Microsoft favors taking losses when in actuality, its in MS's business manual to close the sections that aren't benefiting them in any form. Its the reason they have outlasted dozens of corporations 'till this day

Seeing how Xbox has build its brand name from the ground up and generated profits in the past, they'll want to hold on to see if they can turn this around.

And they probably will. Well, at the cost of (maybe) increasing some prizes, but they will.

Edit* f*cking phone grammar -_-

Yeah, I hate those guys, but ain't it something how much money MS lost in the last 8 months?!?

Well I don't work for MS so this is not my problem.

MS probably made that back during lunch in interest with money they have in the bank.

Anyway....not a good sign for the X1. I honstly think they will ditch the X1 sooner rather than later...Sega proved that completely ditching a system too early can be a death sentence....although they did it a couple of times rather than just once.

But still....I don't think any company would want to ditch a console b/c of that whole fiasco. That said...I still think it will be sooner rather than the "normal" timeline.

Because you don't joke when it comes to anything Xbox. lol!! Doesn't look like they lost anything.

http://www.twinfinite.net/2014/08/08/microsoft-lost-400-million-xbox-one/

Live generated them pretty good yearly profits, especially when Microsoft started making the dough on every 360 sold soon after 2007 I think. Plus Kinect bundles and yearly exclusives such as Halo each selling 8 million plus, definitely added to the amount they collected.

I think they were making a cool 1 - 2 billion every year from their gaming division. Mostly because Live was a great success.

Oh, I do. Xbox is a joke in itself, so I'm constantly pointing and laughing.

As far as I know, the 3 billion loss was during the first Xbox.

They recouped that loss with the 360, Kinect and Live. The big decline you see in that chart in 2013-forward was when they launched the Xbox One (mainly due to Kinect 2.0).

But 360 moved the dought though. Which was the point I was trying to make :P

So the massive ass kicking that Sony took on the debacle known as the PS3 means nothing right?? I love how the Cows suddenly have short and selective memories on how horrible the first two years the life of early PS3 adopters was. $599 price point, no games, crap online, etc.

However, from late 2007 forward, the PS3 gave the X360 everything it wanted and more in my opinion. So why is that Sony fanboy nation seems to think that MS and the X1 are DOA? How can you possibly think that MS can't turn around what has been a rocky start for the X1? Has Halo 5 released? Has Gears of War released? How about Fable Legends, Forza Horizons 2, Crackdown 3, Quantum Break, Below, Ori and the Blind Forest...etc! Please give some some tangible, non fanboy reasons and we will see where this goes. I'm betting there isn't any!

Even if the 3 billion loss was during the span of 10 years, what I wanted to clarify was that Microsoft was earning as much as that to even things out, even if it was short lived. Judging from that chart, I can't tell how its going to go down for 2013 and forward or how much the losses will ultimately be. But there was a time when Xbox wasn't loosing money and instead was profiting.

But I see your case. They lost 3 billion and are still having losses with the Xbone One.

But again going back to my first statement, they will turn it around, if they can.

That's why Spencer was moved in.

You can have a net loss and still have periods where you were making money. The Xbox division was profitable at certain periods of time during the 360 era. It wasn't enough to over ride the losses during the original Xbox and RROD issues though (and now apparently the X1).

You sure that wasn't from big screen TVs?

Because the XBox represented their best shot at what MS has long thought of as their Holy Grail: A MS box at the center of and controlling the living room experience. It's why they paid a ridiculous sum for WebTV many years ago. It's why they were pushing HTPCs for a number of years. It's why the 360's evolution went the way it did, and it's why the XB1 was designed the way it was. The plan with the XBox has always been to gain market penetration and then leverage the brand to build a far more encompassing platform that ensured MS would get a piece of your entertainment dollar no matter what you wanted to play, watch, or listen to.

Problem is MS chased that dream for so long the world passed them by. The living room is quickly losing its place as the nerve center of the average household. And mobile has become the dominant platform for more and more entertainment purchases, a market that MS was slow to embrace.

The good news is that MS has new management that finally understands the realities of the modern world, so recent public support for the XBox brand implies they see value in it for what it actually can do - be a great gaming machine - instead of what they thought they could turn it into. I'm sure they aren't happy with the state of the current XBox - either in marketshare or financial performance - but they aren't largely responsible for its situation. They're charged with making the best old management's mess until they can launch a box that reflects new priorities.

Rarely do this if ever. I would prefer for consoles to stay as consoles not gimped PC's.

I say get rid of the xbox and bring back Sega

Sony is 11 billion in debt. PS3 is accountable for 6 of it.

I think MS went about the Xbox One the wrong away. Instead of pushing it as a TV service as well as a Gaming device. they should have pushed it as a gaming device first and a TV service second. They should have never included Kinect and sold it for $500. That hampered their sales. I mean at the very least if they wanted to include the Kinect AT LEAST include an option where they could sell Xbox One without the Kinect and sell it for $400 like they are doing right now. They were 6 - 8 months late to the game. Granted I do think they could some what get close to PS4 in terms of sales but I think damage was done in public impression.

The most idiotic think that MS did IMO was include a weaker GPU that couldn't push 1080P. Now there are relying on software updates to free up GPU resources so they could play catch up to PS4 in terms of the number of games that could do 1080P. I mean why in the world were they targetting 1080P from the get go..oh I forgot they didn't emphasize gaming first and decided to include a lot of bloatware TV service, Kinect that a lot of gamers don't care for. I mean the fact that Xbox One can't push 1080P on a game like COD Ghosts is embarrassing.

I mean if you are in the store and had a choice to choose over $400 PS4 that can push 1080P over a weaker Xbox One which initially costs $100 more which one would you choose?

and xbox division has cost MS billions also

This is true. I think they brought a lot to the table. I think Xbox Live brought a lot to the table in terms of multiplayer and I bet it was profitable too. Even though as a PC Gamer I don't believe in a subscription based service like Xbox Live since we have steam and origin which is free.

Xbox Live is an abomination, if it wasn't for MS consoles would charge you anything to be online. You think Sony would would charge to play online if MS hadn't of shown them how stupid people are and will pay for something they should get free?

The only thing MS brought to the table was greed.

Fighting over second place in sales,,,are we?

MS brought competent online and features... weather the cost was there or not. Sony's early PSN was utter dogshite.... and no. money talks... the R&D for these services is ridiculously expensive. can't have it both ways chump.

PSN was simple and free, hardly dogshit. The only thing Xbox Live had over PSN was cross game chat which was hardly needed IMO.

lol I don't think any sheen should talk about money lost.

Competition is good for everyone. I for one am glad that there is the PC, PS4, Xbox One, and Wii U, and I hope they all make it.

Lol, this is PS3 2007 all over again. The One will be fine, stop being so pessimistic. Master Chief collection is gonna sell Xboxs like hot cakes this holiday.

Your last sentence makes no sense whatsoever dude, lay off the caffiene man.

http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/microsoft-interested-in-using-eye-tracking-vr-headset-for-xbox-one-1259657

'Last week we reported that FOVE, creator of the world's first head-mounted eye-tracking display, had been accepted into Microsoft's Ventures London programme - igniting speculation that Microsoft was sniffing around some new gaming VR tech.

Now a source from the company has confirmed to TechRadar that Microsoft has explicitly expressed interest in using the FOVE technology with Xbox, and will be offering development kits for the startup to use.'

'Microsoft has several different accelerator programmes around the world, with London's most strongly linked to the gaming scene.

With Oculus Rift and Sony's Project Morpheus making their way to market, Microsoft certainly won't want to be left out, so it. This new information chimes with that from another source, who informed TechRadar that Microsoft's VR plans are still well behind Oculus Rift.

But with the possibility of making the technology work with Kinect - and now potentially with eye-tracking tech too - Microsoft could build a truly compelling device.'

That's a good find.

"But with the possibility of making the technology work with Kinect - and now potentially with eye-tracking tech too - Microsoft could build a truly compelling device.'"

How will it track your eyes if you have a VR headset on?

R&D costs, production costs all take time to get back. You think the PS4 is pure profit?

Not to mention all those Kinects they need to landfill.