How will MGSV succeed when the combat is putrid?

LMFAO, how many 10's did Splinter Cell games get?

...and I like splinter cell.

MGS1

• Can only grab enemy from immediate leg hump range. Choke the chicken until neck snaps.
• PPK combo with little impact.

MGS2

• Can only grab enemy from immediate leg hump range. Choke the chicken until neck snaps. Take a hostage and feel lucky if he doesn't pass out in your arms. Essentially useless.
• PPK combo with little impact.
• Hip toss an enemy as if you're lightly laying them down. Better duck out because they're standing right back up.

MGS3

• Grab an enemy from a crazy proximity, but at any angle finally. Choke until they pass out or slit the throat... which of course is linked to pressure sensitivity, so don't mash circle too hard.
• Ground slam for a knock out. Same as above, crazy proximity, any angle.
• Same hostage taking mechanic as MGS2, but now you can aim and shoot... that is, if you have 60 double jointed fingers.
• Another weak PPK combo.

Ground Zeroes

• Grab an enemy from an actual realistic proximity for once.
• From there throw them in any direction accompanied by context sensitive animation for the first time.
• Or slit the throat.
• Or choke them out in a realistic fashion for once. No chicken choking, yay.
• Grab enemy and hold or slam from cover or over obstacles.
• Multitudes of different slams dependent on attack angle and surrounding objects, without using a hold first.
• Punch combo with impact. Looks more realistic than before and knocks the enemy out cold.
• Punch combo linked into disarm and hold up. Fucking bad ass, why didn't they have this before? And of course from there you can make him get on the ground, spill the beans, or call his "friends" in any order.
• Spear a mother fucker like Goldberg.
• Pick up a mother fucker and toss him into a group of mother fuckers.
• Taking a hostage actually works and doesn't require finger gymnastics. Enter in and out of aim easily, move, crouch, etc.. all smoothly. It's actually very useful now.
• CQC combos with a group of enemies in vicinity. So now Big Boss being a CQC bad ass isn't just a cutscene deal.
• Kick or stomp enemies on the ground. Without punching the air twice to do so.

^

And all of that intertwined with the best movement and gunplay in the series. No more lazy-jog running, no more being limited to waist high obstacles, no more spinning on a pivot, now transitioning from prone to crouch to walk to run is smoother than any game around. You can dive, roll to the side, pop up into a sprint and smoothly transition into the prone seamlessly.

No more dragging enemies around like 200lb mops. No more awkward cover snapping. Finally some real shadow play that isn't just a spot here and there like MGS2 and MGS3. And this shadow play is actually subtle and somewhat realistic, unlike Splinter Cell.

And this is just Ground Zeroes. Things have been tightened even further for MGSV and the move set has been expanded upon.

You're free to have your opinion man. Just recognize that it's a bullshit opinion.

@ConanTheStoner: you give yourself too much credit, conan. Stating the obvious in a wall of text doesnt make u appear intelligent. My opinion was based around the unsatisfying poorly animated cqc/takedowns.... It cant be bullshit, the only thing bullshit is your blind mgs fanboyant ego.... Keep it in check.

Ok just wondering. You know how that tends to happen with games if something like the Kojima situation happens

Splinter is dead , MGS is live.

The combat in MGSV would be great.

Yeah, MGS5 won't have a million different animationswhen you one-hit KO a guard so you feel like what you did was cool. That has no bearing on the gameplay.

Nah, this is just a lazy cop out of a response.

This is exactly what you said.

"i just simply don't like the poor animated combat seen in MGSV. MGS from 1 - 3 had more satisfying hand to hand combat/take downs, IMO."

And I gave you a thorough response. Ground Zeroes allows you to do much more than the previous games, much more efficiently than the previous games, and it's all done with far better animations than the previous games.

You call it a wall of text, but had I not given the full response you would still be spinning your wheels. Now you've been neutered and my job here is done. Now your only outlet is to respond to facts with some weak sauce insults.

"the only thing bullshit is your blind mgs fanboyant ego.... Keep it in check."

Quite the argument there bro. Even making up words and all. And no. I probably spend more time calling out the flaws in MGS than praising it. You can even check a recent conversation in the lounge.

However, I do call bullshit when I see it and that's exactly what you brought to the table.

@happyduds77:

u can beat GZ in 7m......

Nah, Bro, bullshit, weak sauce.......and the winner is:"Now you've been neutered and my job here is done "- A true internet Warrior

I can't take you seriously. As for my quote, MGS1-3 had more SATISFYING combat system, it was simple yet effective, from the kicks to the neck snapping, it felt good....i hope this isn't beyond your comprehension. As for GZ having better animations, thats an opinion, i think it has worse, due to how its performed and how quick and unsatisfying it really is.....IN MY OPINION.

Take care.

Saying "in my opinion" to everything is no more than a way to laughably mask how shitty your opinion truly is.

But I suppose that's just my opinion, right?

well yeah it is...lol.

I know.

always loved mgs combat. maybe you should go play garbage like batman and ass creed. button mashing garbage.

@ConanTheStoner: but i dont like what i see in mgsv combat system?

@ps4hasnogames: why do people get so mad

Well, sorry about your luck then.

Just don't try playing the victim man. You went out of your way to make a thread calling it putrid and poor. Don't be surprised when people push back with equal force. Especially when you're in the microscopic minority. Of all the complaints I've heard leveled towards GZ and TPP, this one is a first.

Maybe if you came off less rash about it in your OP and actually did more to support your opinion than simply saying "muh opinions" then this thread would have gone differently.

You didn't invite discussion. You invited people to unload on you. And in turn you tell us we're mad, fanboys, internet warriors, big egos, etc.

You're actually trying to tel us that you think this is better than what's in GZ:

What are we supposed to say?

That's one of my all time favorite games btw. I hate that I'm having to throw it under the bus in this thread, but it simply doesn't hold up to Kojimas latest from a gameplay standpoint.

haha, i was merely pointing out what this thread is actually about. And why can't you keep you posts short? Again telling as story of text might make you feel better, but you can improvise and be a bit more concrete, can't you?

As for being in the minority (lol microscopic) ....i know a quite huge population who prefer Splinter Cell over MGS.

Also now i need evidence to PROVE MY OPINION?....haha. You're using different argument logic here, mate...it isn't working. You spend too much time on these boards, isn't healthy.

Also, just because i'm probably the only one here complaining about the combat being shit, that all of sudden kills my opinion or some shit? Hows that even possible? If that's indeed what you're implying. For past MGS games i was IMPLYING that the combat and cqc was more satisfying. And for MGSV's combat to be lacking in terms of animations and being poorly done, it just doesn't look good to games like Last of Us, Splinter cell, dues ex, Hitman..hell even Sniper elite 3 etc. Which all IMO have better animated and satisfying stealth/cqc takedowns.

Sure thing, right after MGS4, MGS1, MGS2 and MGS3.

because you have absolutely no idea what good combat is. this actually looks like you have options on how you can kill them and you have to think about the best approach. you're most likely a 16 year old who only knows how to button mash and feels some sort of accomplishment letting the computer do all the work for you.

When I think of stealth, I don't think about fighting dancing vampires and taking down jets with stinger missles.

MGS are action games with some stealth elements. Splinter Cell is the very opposite. The later MGS games don't even punish you for going commando.

I guess the way the other games in the series have? Because they are great fun? You don't have to like them. I do.

> Asks why I can't keep my posts short and concrete.

> Responds with an equally lengthy post that is all over the place.

Yes, I know a lot of people prefer Splinter Cell. I was speaking of your complaints about MGSV, not of your preference for SC.

I didn't say you must prove your opinion, what kind of shit is this? I said you should support your opinion. If you have a strong enough opinion on something to start up a dramatic thread, then surely you must have clear reasons/examples to support your opinion, right?

And there you go again in the last paragraph like a fucking parrot lol. "Muh opinionz, muh opinionz!"

You're telling us that past MGS games have more satisfying combat.... ok why? What makes them more satisfying?

In my opinion Ground Zeroes is far more satisfying than the previous titles. Difference here is that I was able to compare and contrast the games with concrete examples listed above.

All you're doing is saying "My opinion, I can't be wrong, leave me alone!"

Anyways. I think we're done here. If you can't respond with something more than repeating that it's your opinion, then don't bother.

OMG LOOK AT ALL THOSE WORDS

Stoner indeed.

That's what I said.....guess he's just mad that there's so many things to do but no "neck break"

At the end of the day MGSV will score a 10/10 and get GOTY every where and go on to sell millions while splinter cell kicks rocks with TC wanking it to neck break fetishes.

End thread.

Eh it's always been decent to me, nothing special though, MGS isn't a series that does anything particularly good but is more varied and does things well enough.