Does Crytek really deserve this?

[QUOTE="Pray_to_me"]

I also thought Crysis 2 was better than Crysis and yes I played both on PC. Neither one was really all that amazing though.

Crysis is not open world people need to stop repeating that bogus lie.

lightleggy

exactly.

I made a diagram, not exactly a paint prodigy but this explains it pretty good

The game would give you the illusion of being open world, but it was not, you HAD to go through the designated path because it was the only path you could take, im not even exaggerating, go play the game again and try to reach an objective from a different area, it's literally impossible, not one objective can be reached from another point, its all like a colander.

Your diagram is BS.

Take a look at this map.I can reach my objectives in whatever way I want.Your diagram is applicable to crysis 2,not crysis 1.

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]

[QUOTE="Pray_to_me"]

I also thought Crysis 2 was better than Crysis and yes I played both on PC. Neither one was really all that amazing though.

Crysis is not open world people need to stop repeating that bogus lie.

call_of_duty_10

exactly.

I made a diagram, not exactly a paint prodigy but this explains it pretty good

The game would give you the illusion of being open world, but it was not, you HAD to go through the designated path because it was the only path you could take, im not even exaggerating, go play the game again and try to reach an objective from a different area, it's literally impossible, not one objective can be reached from another point, its all like a colander.

Your diagram is BS.

Take a look at this map.I can reach my objectives in whatever way I want.Your diagram is applicable to crysis 2,not crysis 1.

I actually was going to use that mission to explain my diagram but I had forgotten what the exact objective was.

that exact thing is depicted in the diagram, the area with the objectives is the blue "unavoidable area", it's large, but you can only reach it from a way, I tried it, because the standard route was crawling with enemies, trust me, and if you dont trust me, go try it yourself, the game just drives you through an invisible corridor until you get to a larget zone, its actually the perfect example of what I said: you think you are gonna be able to reach it from somewhere else, but when you approach you'll find it's impossible to go through because of unpassable terrain, its an imaginary corridor, there is no freedom in it.

and the circled area (the one with the 2 AA guns) is exactly the same size as most crysis 2 areas.

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]

The levels are still very big, and keeping in mind my illustration, i'd say it was the same.

ChubbyGuy40

No they aren't. I remember one level that seemed big but that was only because of it's verticality. The rest of it wasclaustrophobic corridors. No one wants to tell you how stupid your illustration is because we shouldn't have to. Not to mention Crysis 2's issues go far beyond its level design.

but as far as scale goes, actual scale, not just perceived game world, C1 and C2 were the same.

lightleggy

Don't even attempt to argue that. Crysis 2 was as open and large as a CoD game.

[QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"]

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]

exactly.

I made a diagram, not exactly a paint prodigy but this explains it pretty good

The game would give you the illusion of being open world, but it was not, you HAD to go through the designated path because it was the only path you could take, im not even exaggerating, go play the game again and try to reach an objective from a different area, it's literally impossible, not one objective can be reached from another point, its all like a colander.

lightleggy

Your diagram is BS.

Take a look at this map.I can reach my objectives in whatever way I want.Your diagram is applicable to crysis 2,not crysis 1.

I actually was going to use that mission to explain my diagram but I had forgotten what the exact objective was.

that exact thing is depicted in the diagram, the area with the objectives is the blue "unavoidable area", it's large, but you can only reach it from a way, I tried it, because the standard route was crawling with enemies, trust me, and if you dont trust me, go try it yourself, the game just drives you through an invisible corridor until you get to a larget zone, its actually the perfect example of what I said: you think you are gonna be able to reach it from somewhere else, but when you approach you'll find it's impossible to go through because of unpassable terrain, its an imaginary corridor, there is no freedom in it.

and the circled area (the one with the 2 AA guns) is exactly the same size as most crysis 2 areas.

Had absolutely no problems on any of them.

Again,what you said applies to crysis 2.Levels like roosevelt island and central park look big but are actually linear corridors.

Only 3 levels in crysis are actually linear.The first one,the alien core,and the last one.

I am very excited for Crysis 3. I loved both Crysis 1 and 2. No doubt they were structured differently, but the Crysis games offer a lot of gameplay variety and the suit powers are really fun to use.

Yes of course Crysis 1 didn't have sandboxish levels, No wonder it had a Day/Night Cycle *roll eyes*

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]

[QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"]

Your diagram is BS.

Take a look at this map.I can reach my objectives in whatever way I want.Your diagram is applicable to crysis 2,not crysis 1.

call_of_duty_10

I actually was going to use that mission to explain my diagram but I had forgotten what the exact objective was.

that exact thing is depicted in the diagram, the area with the objectives is the blue "unavoidable area", it's large, but you can only reach it from a way, I tried it, because the standard route was crawling with enemies, trust me, and if you dont trust me, go try it yourself, the game just drives you through an invisible corridor until you get to a larget zone, its actually the perfect example of what I said: you think you are gonna be able to reach it from somewhere else, but when you approach you'll find it's impossible to go through because of unpassable terrain, its an imaginary corridor, there is no freedom in it.

and the circled area (the one with the 2 AA guns) is exactly the same size as most crysis 2 areas.

Had absolutely no problems on any of them.

Again,what you said applies to crysis 2.Levels like roosevelt island and central park look big but are actually linear corridors.

Only 3 levels in crysis are actually linear.The first one,the alien core,and the last one.

Exactly. Crysis was certainly not an "open world" game. anyone who ever said that didn't know what it actually means. But it did have very large, far larger than anything in Crysis 2, and they did have several usable routes. I don't know what lightleggy is thinking of with that diagram. That bay level in Crysis is massive, and endlessly replayable. I've replayed that level alone just because it's so fun, more than I've played the rest of the game. Dozens upon dozens of times. Don't think I've ever tackled it quite the same twice.

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]

[QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"]

Your diagram is BS.

Take a look at this map.I can reach my objectives in whatever way I want.Your diagram is applicable to crysis 2,not crysis 1.

call_of_duty_10

I actually was going to use that mission to explain my diagram but I had forgotten what the exact objective was.

that exact thing is depicted in the diagram, the area with the objectives is the blue "unavoidable area", it's large, but you can only reach it from a way, I tried it, because the standard route was crawling with enemies, trust me, and if you dont trust me, go try it yourself, the game just drives you through an invisible corridor until you get to a larget zone, its actually the perfect example of what I said: you think you are gonna be able to reach it from somewhere else, but when you approach you'll find it's impossible to go through because of unpassable terrain, its an imaginary corridor, there is no freedom in it.

and the circled area (the one with the 2 AA guns) is exactly the same size as most crysis 2 areas.

Had absolutely no problems on any of them.

Again,what you said applies to crysis 2.Levels like roosevelt island and central park look big but are actually linear corridors.

Only 3 levels in crysis are actually linear.The first one,the alien core,and the last one.

you didn't even checked the diagram

I'll say it again: The area with the AA guns is the unavoidable area, the big blue circle? its there to represent that the game only gives you "freedom" once you get to that area, the rest of the level is the part before the blue circle, it's a "colander", you may drive off the edges and try to enter the blue circle from the right side, but on your way you'll find out that the unpassable terrain just drives you to the "normal" entrance.

Many of the C2 levels were not linear corridors, they had the same "colander" structure in the end, but the battle areas themselves would also give you plenty of space to navigate, in addition to verticality which C1 didn't had.

I'd post pics if I hadn't uninstalled that game.

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"]To me Crysis 2 was a better game than Crysis 1. Crysis 1 was an empty sandbox with nothing going for it, powers unimaginitive, and was really linear despite having large maps. it literally felt like a tech demo with a poor story, poor enemy variety and mediocre gameplay. Crysis 2 went the movie route, and was actually more enjoyable because of it. and no, I am not against sandbox, I just dont pretend Crysis 1 was some tactical sandbox game when it clearly friggin wasn,t there was godamn nothing to it.mems_1224

Obviously Crysis 2 had things which made it stand out over Crysis 1, however if you consider the sandbox feeling of the first Crysis and how the suit powers were implemented, it feels like they took away too much

[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="MBirdy88"]To me Crysis 2 was a better game than Crysis 1. Crysis 1 was an empty sandbox with nothing going for it, powers unimaginitive, and was really linear despite having large maps. it literally felt like a tech demo with a poor story, poor enemy variety and mediocre gameplay. Crysis 2 went the movie route, and was actually more enjoyable because of it. and no, I am not against sandbox, I just dont pretend Crysis 1 was some tactical sandbox game when it clearly friggin wasn,t there was godamn nothing to it.megaspiderweb09

Obviously Crysis 2 had things which made it stand out over Crysis 1, however if you consider the sandbox feeling of the first Crysis and how the suit powers were implemented, it feels like they took away too much

[QUOTE="megaspiderweb09"]

[QUOTE="mems_1224"] This right here, I feel the exact same way. mems_1224

Obviously Crysis 2 had things which made it stand out over Crysis 1, however if you consider the sandbox feeling of the first Crysis and how the suit powers were implemented, it feels like they took away too much

Even if it was an empty space, you dont get the feeling your path is restricted, which tend to play itself in the combat. Like when i played Crysis 1, i could cloak in grass and speed to the beech side, get a rover and do all sorts of stuff in relation to how i wana fight. In Crysis 2, i felt stuck in most level and the suit abilities were reduced to cloak n armour, it just felt wrong either way considering i even got introduced to the series with Crysis 2 before downloading Crysis 1 on PSN

yes , they cancelled or refused to make timesplitters 4 and refuse to develope for the wii u , they deserve all the darn hate in the world to me right now

[QUOTE="megaspiderweb09"]

[QUOTE="mems_1224"] This right here, I feel the exact same way. mems_1224

Obviously Crysis 2 had things which made it stand out over Crysis 1, however if you consider the sandbox feeling of the first Crysis and how the suit powers were implemented, it feels like they took away too much

[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="megaspiderweb09"]

Obviously Crysis 2 had things which made it stand out over Crysis 1, however if you consider the sandbox feeling of the first Crysis and how the suit powers were implemented, it feels like they took away too much

megaspiderweb09

Even if it was an empty space, you dont get the feeling your path is restricted, which tend to play itself in the combat. Like when i played Crysis 1, i could cloak in grass and speed to the beech side, get a rover and do all sorts of stuff in relation to how i wana fight. In Crysis 2, i felt stuck in most level and the suit abilities were reduced to cloak n armour, it just felt wrong either way considering i even got introduced to the series with Crysis 2 before downloading Crysis 1 on PSN

[QUOTE="megaspiderweb09"]

[QUOTE="mems_1224"] It wasn't really a sandbox. It was just a lot of empty space. Saying the first Crysis is a sandbox is like saying the halo games are a sandboxlightleggy

Even if it was an empty space, you dont get the feeling your path is restricted, which tend to play itself in the combat. Like when i played Crysis 1, i could cloak in grass and speed to the beech side, get a rover and do all sorts of stuff in relation to how i wana fight. In Crysis 2, i felt stuck in most level and the suit abilities were reduced to cloak n armour, it just felt wrong either way considering i even got introduced to the series with Crysis 2 before downloading Crysis 1 on PSN

Crytek was pretty smart with the way it steered the player in the first Crysis and Warhead. There were impassable terrain, sharks, and missile fire from warships offshore. In Crysis 2, you simply came up against an invisible wall a lot of times.

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

Crysis 2 was a big pile of ass

lightleggy

I had to force myself to finish the game. It was very very bad

I was not a fan of Crysis 2. I was instantly turned off by Crysis 2. I was a fan of Crysis Warhead, and if Crysis 3 is more like Warhead I will not complain too much. But at the least can I get maximum speed back? Because who ever turned maximum speed into a f*cking sprint is worse than the guy who came up with the death drops in SSX.jg4xchamp

This!!! and Maximum Strength too

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]I was not a fan of Crysis 2. I was instantly turned off by Crysis 2. I was a fan of Crysis Warhead, and if Crysis 3 is more like Warhead I will not complain too much. But at the least can I get maximum speed back? Because who ever turned maximum speed into a f*cking sprint is worse than the guy who came up with the death drops in SSX.megaspiderweb09

This!!! and Maximum Strength too

Yes.

I will never forgive them for that massive disappointment called Crysis 2, unless Crysis 3 somehow turns out to be good.

[QUOTE="megaspiderweb09"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]I was not a fan of Crysis 2. I was instantly turned off by Crysis 2. I was a fan of Crysis Warhead, and if Crysis 3 is more like Warhead I will not complain too much. But at the least can I get maximum speed back? Because who ever turned maximum speed into a f*cking sprint is worse than the guy who came up with the death drops in SSX.lightleggy

This!!! and Maximum Strength too

[QUOTE="megaspiderweb09"]

[QUOTE="mems_1224"] It wasn't really a sandbox. It was just a lot of empty space. Saying the first Crysis is a sandbox is like saying the halo games are a sandboxlightleggy

Even if it was an empty space, you dont get the feeling your path is restricted, which tend to play itself in the combat. Like when i played Crysis 1, i could cloak in grass and speed to the beech side, get a rover and do all sorts of stuff in relation to how i wana fight. In Crysis 2, i felt stuck in most level and the suit abilities were reduced to cloak n armour, it just felt wrong either way considering i even got introduced to the series with Crysis 2 before downloading Crysis 1 on PSN

[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="megaspiderweb09"]

This!!! and Maximum Strength too

call_of_duty_10

[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="megaspiderweb09"]

Even if it was an empty space, you dont get the feeling your path is restricted, which tend to play itself in the combat. Like when i played Crysis 1, i could cloak in grass and speed to the beech side, get a rover and do all sorts of stuff in relation to how i wana fight. In Crysis 2, i felt stuck in most level and the suit abilities were reduced to cloak n armour, it just felt wrong either way considering i even got introduced to the series with Crysis 2 before downloading Crysis 1 on PSN

call_of_duty_10

[QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"][QUOTE="lightleggy"] you dont get that feeling until you actually deviate from the main route and realize that it's impossible to go through most terrain, and taht most of the "game world" is actually unaccesable.lightleggy

According to your diagram,the objective can only be reached through one path.But that is definitely not true!I can reach it from any side!

Best on 720GioVela2010

One word EA, whatever promises were made for Crysis 3 will evaporate into pure hype and nothing more. So yes they deserve the hate for partnering with the devil

[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"] There is no main route. Didn't you see the pic I posted?There are SEVEN ways to reach that objective.call_of_duty_10

According to your diagram,the objective can only be reached through one path.But that is definitely not true!I can reach it from any side!

I was extremely excited for C2 when it's announced but it's a huge letdown. Let's face it littlegy: C1 was much more open than C2 which felt like COD with a dumb down nanosuit. The worst change about that suit was the lack of maximum speed and sprint consumes energy.

I was extremely excited for C2 when it's announced but it's a huge letdown. Let's face it littlegy: C1 was much more open than C2 which felt like COD with a dumb down nanosuit. The worst change about that suit was the lack of maximum speed and sprint consumes energy.

jackfruitchips

most of the open areas in crysis 1 were useless, completely empty,lightleggy

And Crysis 2 is small and claustrophobic, something Crysis never had that feeling of. You call it useless, but it provides freedom of movement so it doesn't always feel like you're going down a corridor. It also provides many points of entry into a compound which Crysis 2 never had.

And your diagram is still flawed and has already been proven wrong. It's quite sad that you even made it.

[QUOTE="lightleggy"] most of the open areas in crysis 1 were useless, completely empty,ChubbyGuy40

And Crysis 2 is small and claustrophobic, something Crysis never had that feeling of. You call it useless, but it provides freedom of movement so it doesn't always feel like you're going down a corridor. It also provides many points of entry into a compound which Crysis 2 never had.

And your diagram is still flawed and has already been proven wrong. It's quite sad that you even made it.

and dont forget there are unmarked quests and hidden camps and areas you can find in C1 if you go off the 'path'

[QUOTE="lightleggy"] most of the open areas in crysis 1 were useless, completely empty,ChubbyGuy40

And Crysis 2 is small and claustrophobic, something Crysis never had that feeling of. You call it useless, but it provides freedom of movement so it doesn't always feel like you're going down a corridor. It also provides many points of entry into a compound which Crysis 2 never had.

And your diagram is still flawed and has already been proven wrong. It's quite sad that you even made it.

Would you seriously stop your pointless rant? I'm not even a C2 fanboy, I just dont like the haters like you...Zelda TP is not as long as other zelda games and it doesn't have as many sidequests, I really dont like Zelda TP, but you dont see me saying pointless stuff like "Zelda tp lasts 4 hours and it only has 2 sidequests!" because I hate it, no, I keep it real, unlike you.

Out of the 19 levels in C2, only about 3 of them are mostly "claustrophobic", the rest features open areas, which were the same size of your Crysis 1 camps, some of them even bigger, and the rest of the world in C1 didn't mattered at all because it was just eye candy, nothing to do with it.

Just stop it with the "Ohhh every Level in C2 was the size of a peanut!", the game levels wont shrink just because you hated the game.

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="lightleggy"] most of the open areas in crysis 1 were useless, completely empty,wis3boi

And Crysis 2 is small and claustrophobic, something Crysis never had that feeling of. You call it useless, but it provides freedom of movement so it doesn't always feel like you're going down a corridor. It also provides many points of entry into a compound which Crysis 2 never had.

And your diagram is still flawed and has already been proven wrong. It's quite sad that you even made it.

and dont forget there are unmarked quests and hidden camps and areas you can find in C1 if you go off the 'path'

You can unlock those sidemissions by taking 1 step off the road, you dont need to venture jungle deep (it's impossible anyway) and even then those are just fetch quests that provide no insight on the story and that are just a standard firefight.

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="lightleggy"] most of the open areas in crysis 1 were useless, completely empty,wis3boi

And Crysis 2 is small and claustrophobic, something Crysis never had that feeling of. You call it useless, but it provides freedom of movement so it doesn't always feel like you're going down a corridor. It also provides many points of entry into a compound which Crysis 2 never had.

And your diagram is still flawed and has already been proven wrong. It's quite sad that you even made it.

and dont forget there are unmarked quests and hidden camps and areas you can find in C1 if you go off the 'path'

Really? Can you provide a sample unmarked quest? I thought I've seen every nook and cranny in Crysis and Warhead...... I guess not. He He.

Would you seriously stop your pointless rant? I'm not even a C2 fanboy, I just dont like the haters like you...Zelda TP is not as long as other zelda games and it doesn't have as many sidequests, I really dont like Zelda TP, but you dont see me saying pointless stuff like "Zelda tp lasts 4 hours and it only has 2 sidequests!" because I hate it, no, I keep it real, unlike you.

Out of the 19 levels in C2, only about 3 of them are mostly "claustrophobic", the rest features open areas, which were the same size of your Crysis 1 camps, some of them even bigger, and the rest of the world in C1 didn't mattered at all because it was just eye candy, nothing to do with it.

Just stop it with the "Ohhh every Level in C2 was the size of a peanut!", the game levels wont shrink just because you hated the game.

lightleggy

Twilight Princess is a long game. Doesn't have as many side quests as Majora's Mask, but it has just as many as every other Zelda. We don't see you saying that because you'd have to have saolin-level of intelligence to even suggest so.

That's funny, cause none of them are claustrophobic in Crysis 1. You don't need to quote that either to suggest it's something foreign to Crysis 2's level design, because it's not.

And Crysis's openness doesn't shrink because you suck at making diagrams. Aside from the holdout missions (which were still small sections of street,) the only level that felt open was Unsafe Haven.

Really? Can you provide a sample unmarked quest? I thought I've seen every nook and cranny in Crysis and Warhead...... I guess not. He He.

jun_aka_pekto

Unmarked quests were the side quests which you would pick up if you diverted from the main road.

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="lightleggy"] most of the open areas in crysis 1 were useless, completely empty,jun_aka_pekto

And Crysis 2 is small and claustrophobic, something Crysis never had that feeling of. You call it useless, but it provides freedom of movement so it doesn't always feel like you're going down a corridor. It also provides many points of entry into a compound which Crysis 2 never had.

And your diagram is still flawed and has already been proven wrong. It's quite sad that you even made it.

and dont forget there are unmarked quests and hidden camps and areas you can find in C1 if you go off the 'path'

Really? Can you provide a sample unmarked quest? I thought I've seen every nook and cranny in Crysis and Warhead...... I guess not. He He.

This mountain is waaaaaay off the path of the mission, has a small outpost on top with incredibly early access to powerful weapons you normally don't get until later and offers an excellent way to make a distraction if you are a good shot with your sniper.

Some get marked on your map as yellow dots (side quests) some don't. Other examples include disabling radio towers or getting intel.

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

and dont forget there are unmarked quests and hidden camps and areas you can find in C1 if you go off the 'path'

wis3boi

Really? Can you provide a sample unmarked quest? I thought I've seen every nook and cranny in Crysis and Warhead...... I guess not. He He.

This mountain is waaaaaay off the path of the mission, has a small outpost on top with incredibly early access to powerful weapons you normally don't get until later and offers an excellent way to make a distraction if you are a good shot with your sniper.

Oooooh, that. Okay.

You know you could get the scope way before reaching that shack, right? Look for one of the baddies near the main road soon after leaving the village where Prophet and Psycho are.

Edit:

Anyway, one of my habits is avoiding the main road as much as possible. :lol:

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

and dont forget there are unmarked quests and hidden camps and areas you can find in C1 if you go off the 'path'

wis3boi

Really? Can you provide a sample unmarked quest? I thought I've seen every nook and cranny in Crysis and Warhead...... I guess not. He He.

This mountain is waaaaaay off the path of the mission, has a small outpost on top with incredibly early access to powerful weapons you normally don't get until later and offers an excellent way to make a distraction if you are a good shot with your sniper.

Some get marked on your map as yellow dots (side quests) some don't. Other examples include disabling radio towers or getting intel.

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]

Would you seriously stop your pointless rant? I'm not even a C2 fanboy, I just dont like the haters like you...Zelda TP is not as long as other zelda games and it doesn't have as many sidequests, I really dont like Zelda TP, but you dont see me saying pointless stuff like "Zelda tp lasts 4 hours and it only has 2 sidequests!" because I hate it, no, I keep it real, unlike you.

Out of the 19 levels in C2, only about 3 of them are mostly "claustrophobic", the rest features open areas, which were the same size of your Crysis 1 camps, some of them even bigger, and the rest of the world in C1 didn't mattered at all because it was just eye candy, nothing to do with it.

Just stop it with the "Ohhh every Level in C2 was the size of a peanut!", the game levels wont shrink just because you hated the game.

ChubbyGuy40

Twilight Princess is a long game. Doesn't have as many side quests as Majora's Mask, but it has just as many as every other Zelda. We don't see you saying that because you'd have to have saolin-level of intelligence to even suggest so.

That's funny, cause none of them are claustrophobic in Crysis 1. You don't need to quote that either to suggest it's something foreign to Crysis 2's level design, because it's not.

And Crysis's openness doesn't shrink because you suck at making diagrams. Aside from the holdout missions (which were still small sections of street,) the only level that felt open was Unsafe Haven.