Destiny raid (Vault of Glass) has no matchmaking...

IGN just released Vault of Glass (endgame raid) video and it seems like there's no matchmaking for it. So you'll need 5 more friends who can nolife with you for six hours or go home and not be able to do it at all. wtf is this, Bungie? At first they announce we have only one explorable location per planet and now this?

That does look pretty great. :)

I've got my five friends lined up on Destiny on the Playstation 4, bring it on.

Hopefully the game is good throughout and not just the end-game... Because what I've read there's two "raids" (labelled as not an MMO but yet uses the diction of one, oh activision) one is the devil's lair but easy medium hard. And at the final level there's one more raid. About it.

Why are these called raids its only 6 players and the size of a small instance of mediocre MMOs........

"Pretend MMO" really does fit the bill.

I wouldn't want to waste 6 hours playing with strangers and then have them rage quit.

Perfect fit for consolites!

What a piece of poop game lolz.

Hey guys i'm about to go do raids in L4D2.

Destiny isn't a MMO

that's not the point tho. What bothers me is that you're supposed to find 5 friends at the exact time who all have 6h+ to spare. You may find 3 and then what? Matchmaking is needed, fact. Better have a couple of random that may or may not be good than be stuck with 4 players out of 6.

Bring it ON.

it really wouldn't be that hard to find people on a Destiny forum and form a party. hell, just go to the damn tower and find people

@R3FURBISHED: Obviously it isn't. Its a pMMO. Pretend MMO for the kiddies that find MMO's disgusting because of the one South Park episode, so activision had to label it as a FPS which obviously it isn't just an FPS.

but if you do that (invite ppl from the tower) what is the difference between inviting randoms in the tower and playing with what you've been paired from matchmaking? Like how are you supposed to know if that guy in the tower has 6h and worth a damn? You don't. Just like with matchmaking.

Destiny isn't a MMO in the same way Destiny isn't open world. Persistent world FPS is the most correct label for Destiny.

you...talk to them

These raids are 6 hours long? Well **** me sideways. Looks like I'll never be able to do one.

I know its not. But many people call it one, which makes 0% sense. BF4 may as well be a mmo in that case.

Why are these being called raids when they are nothing at all like raids?

From the Destinypedia:

Raids are extremely difficult, six-player, endgame missions that may take hours to complete. Eric Osborne stated that on one particular raid, he and his team "spent over 45 minutes just cracking the entrance." Raids are designed for teams of players that have extensively upgraded their focuses, armor, and weapons and are seeking a difficult endgame challenge.

Sounds like a pretty standard raid to me.

lol the beta was so boring I honestly don't understand the excitement and hype

Its six hours we're talking about... You can also talk to randoms who join by matchmaking asking them if they have the time. Doesn't change the fact that they can leave and zero **** are given. So at the end its the same thing, randoms from matchmaking or randoms from the tower

Where does it say no matchmaking?

Edit: Thanks for clarifying, BldgIrsh

That's fine. Traditionally raids are extremely difficult and lengthy and would be nearly impossible if attempted by randomly matched people. They require a lot of teamwork and patience to get right.

Raids are not defined by number of players but rather their length and difficulty compared to other grouped content in the game.

The idea is that the raid is such a challenge it should take awhile for people to beat, then there is usually a more difficult version of the raid for people to beat. Each time you beat it you get much better loot than other content. There are usually races to see who can do the raid first. Raids are also designed so each time is a challenge so they don't really become routine. They are solid end game content that is meant to be very difficult to complete even once and difficult to continue to run.

Size has very little to do with a raid. A raid is more defined by the difficulty and length of the engagement, not the player count.

Raids historically have had larger player counts because they were trying to emphasize that the game is an MMO. However the big popular MMOs got rid of the 40 mans because they are extremely hard to design to be fun and getting 40 players together is a nightmare. Best raiding happened with less players.

What sets a raid apart from a dungeon or other instanced content is simply how difficult and long it is. If it's going to take 2+ hours to beat, it's a raid. Dungeons are usually content that takes anywhere from 20 minutes to 2 hours and are usually easier. Of course rewards are adjusted for this content.

If these are in fact several hour long instances with extremely high difficulty they do fit the bill and are raids. We'll see if Bungie's claims are true on launch.

@Wasdie:

Shouldnt threads with misinformation be locked? No mention that it lacks matchmaking in the video.

I'm pretty sure he does mention talking about needing friends and no matchmaking is involved.

Sauce

Raids are “extremely crafted,” six-player, friends-only gauntlet runs that might best be described as gut-checks. Yes, they will be difficult, and they will absolutely require communication and cooperation. That’s why Bungie isn’t supporting matchmaking for them; the developers don’t want them to be played by disparate groups of strangers. But Smith is quick to point out that they’re not like Strikes – the instanced dungeon-like runs that might take a mere 20-60 minutes – but more like MMO raids in that you’re going to want to buckle up and get comfortable for a couple hours.

@bldgirsh:

Ah well, that sucks. Should be put in the OP. The video never says that.

Agreed. Don't want to bother watching the video again, I must've just read it and thought I heard it from the video heh.

lol people will always leave. that isn't the issue.

pretty much.

Here and op updated

Sounds good to me. You really don't want to do some co op missions with randoms who leave unexpectedly.

No matchmaking HAHAHA what a joke. Maybe Bungie are pulling an Apple move and will have match making included in Destiny 2, then everyone saying its not needed in 1 will all bow down to Bungie and their great ways for including such a great feature that was missing from the previous entry.

Sept 9th needs to be here asap

other points of view really are baffling, arent they?

No matchmaking for certain missions and activities, not for the entire game. Good grief...

Weren't they the ones who created matchmaking on the OG Xbox?

6 hours lol, I really doubt it be THAT long (would be a bit stupid to be honest). And I probably wouldn't take issue of the lack of matchmaking if the social aspect didn't feel so damn clunky (least from the beta).

Yeah I know, still a joke. Who wants to go around talking to random strangers, then what about the people that don't have friends that they converse with to fill a group, have they mentioned what happens when someone leaves mid-raid? match making would make it extremely easy to get a group together, to instantly fill the gap of someone leaving. Sometimes being matched up with randoms is what makes a good raid, gets you more friends that trust how you play, a lot of people wont want to start a conversation to join a group is what I am saying.

Why would a game lacking basic features that have been around for over a decade sound good to you?

The strikes were incredible monotonous. I can't even imagine a 6 hour raid and how much the damage ultrasponge enemies are going to absorb.

i think its just for the raids.

Looks like diablo3 just got raids, Greater Rift chains can take hours and are very hard at high greater rift count.

Hell tons of co-op games just got raids, if that is a raid.

Because I don't want unreliable anons sabotaging my play sessions when I've put in a lot of time, maybe?

Name a game that has a matchmaking system that doesn't also allow you to opt out and be in a friends-only party and that prevents anons from joining. Having a matchmaking system and a standard friends-only invite based party system are not mutually exclusive.

Didn't think this one through very well, did you?

It's Bungie's decision to do this and you don't have to buy the game if you have such strong objections to the direction of this game. But I know you know more about their product than they do. Just continue to complain about it on the internet, I'm sure that'll help fix things.

Guess what? If you wanted to do it with friends you could and no one is forcing you to do the raid with matchmaking. There's a thing called fireteam last time i checked. So what's so good about not having matchmaking when no one forces you to use it? I don't get it...

That actually looks sweet. I wonder if there will be a change to this, as only my brother and I will be playing. I'm not really friends with a lot of gamers... Or any.

Try asking Bungie directly instead of a bunch of internet whiners.

@Zen_Light: Check out your arguments and the questions people have asked you, then review this. You are in the bottom three by the way.