Carmack: Rage for PC is garbage, console versions superior

"We do not see the PC as the leading platform for games," Carmack added. "That statement will enrage some people, but it is hard to characterize it otherwise; both console versions will have larger audiences than the PC version. A high end PC is nearly 10 times as powerful as a console, and we could unquestionably provide a better experience if we chose that as our design point and we were able to expend the same amount of resources on it. Nowadays most of the quality of a game comes from the development effort put into it, not the technology it runs on. A game built with a tenth the resources on a platform 10 times as powerful would be an inferior product in almost all cases."

kotaku.com/5847761/why-was-the-pc-launch-of-rage-such-a-cluster

Oh damn, this is going to piss the hermits off like no tomorrow.

I'm not seeing the part where he said Rage for the PC is garbage....

I'm not seeing the part where he said Rage for the PC is garbage....

Vari3ty

Have to draw people into the thread somehow.

As for Carmack, I think he's just covering his ass over the botched pc launch, considering he said something to the opposite effect in an interview back around June.

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I'm not seeing the part where he said Rage for the PC is garbage....

topgunmv

Have to draw people into the thread somehow.

As for Carmack, I think he's just covering his ass over the botched pc launch, considering he said something to the opposite effect in an interview back around June.

Pretty much this.. Somehow, in quality control, they skipped over something (video drivers) and upon release realized they goofed. Carmack at this point is in full damage control. I mean dang, Rage is getting hit hard by all reviewers because of the streaming issue the game has. But hey, must blame nvidia and AMD for something ID should have paid attention to from the start. the whole streaming issue jsut seems as if they didn't account for the speed of Pc hardware and didn't take any time on the Pc platform. Just copy paste a console version and throw it out there. Now that there is a HUGE issue (not bugs, game not starting, but a ingame problem), they looking for people to blame.

hopefully this is a knife into those arrogant fanboys

[QUOTE="Vari3ty"]

I'm not seeing the part where he said Rage for the PC is garbage....

topgunmv

Have to draw people into the thread somehow.

As for Carmack, I think he's just covering his ass over the botched pc launch, considering he said something to the opposite effect in an interview back around June.

:lol: he says this after release... it's a poor excuse for the shoddy work he produced

Yeah people figured out that id didn't care about the PC version when it released.ferret-gamer

They should have figured it out when he said that they were changing to a console based developer way back when rage was still in development.

Umm if a game is marketed to a specific crowd while trashing talking another, what crowd will be happier with you?? Exactly.

All games are going multi-platform (if a publisher can afford it). They just tend to focus on certain groups more than others.

but I don't agree with consoles are what brings in all the money kind of deal. All platforms can bring in a huge amount of money if one doesn't show a bias towards one platform.

Look at games that have a netural marketing startegy. One that doesn't screw over one set of gamers and favors another. They tend to do very well on all platforms. Now if all you are going to do is trash talk a certain group gamers and treat them like second class consumers, don't expect a huge amount sales and happy people.

Most of the companies that complain about low PC sales, are companies that never gave a crap about the platform to begin with and/or kept talking the down the platform and the gamers on the platform.

He has said this multiable times in the past that consoles are the focus and it would be better on consoles. Carmack is just in damage control cause the game you know, was a horrible port. bug filled and a mess. Next headline;

Carmack: B'awww our PC sales where bad WE'LL BLAME PIRATES AND NOT THE FACT THAT OUR PORT SUCKED ASS.

Its just a muliplat game. And it runs fine on my PC, and even better with the custom config.

He has said this multiable times in the past that consoles are the focus and it would be better on consoles. Carmack is just in damage control cause the game you know, was a horrible port. bug filled and a mess. Next headline;

Carmack: B'awww our PC sales where bad WE'LL BLAME PIRATES AND NOT THE FACT THAT OUR PORT SUCKED ASS.

Ikuto_Tsukiyomi

It's not been all that buggy(as in no issues at all) since I installed the brand spankin' new, well... 12 hour old, preview drivers... almost like AMD botched it moreso than id ('cause they did).

correct if me i'm wrong, but didn't the PC start off ID ?

correct if me i'm wrong, but didn't the PC start off ID ?

strangeisland

I think people like the TC should be moderated for false and misleading titles. It feels like flame-bait.

Nowhere in that article did Carmack say that PC is garbage, nor did he say that the console versions are superior.

[QUOTE="Ikuto_Tsukiyomi"]

He has said this multiable times in the past that consoles are the focus and it would be better on consoles. Carmack is just in damage control cause the game you know, was a horrible port. bug filled and a mess. Next headline;

Carmack: B'awww our PC sales where bad WE'LL BLAME PIRATES AND NOT THE FACT THAT OUR PORT SUCKED ASS.

Inconsistancy

It's not been all that buggy(as in no issues at all) since I installed the brand spankin' new, well... 12 hour old, preview drivers... almost like AMD botched it moreso than id ('cause they did).

they released a new one improves bf3 preformance to and adds eyefinity for bf3 and rage.. fun fact 11.10 rev. 2.0

So he's either saying
1. PC games aren't worth developing cause it costs more than you can make
2. they were trying to get away with this for more money
3. they have been pressured so much to focus on only consoles that it was impossible to make it work as well as you'd expect

I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and go with option number 3.
So I turn to the publisher now and say:
If you toss away playercentric design for marketing research you do not create a great game, and as such you won't sell as much. You violated one of the game design commandments. You have been idiots, thank you.

Id butthurt no one wants their game, and gamers butthurt Id sucks now.

We do not see the id Software as the leading FPS developer," gamers said and gaming press agreed. "That statement will enrage Carmack and the rest olf his studio, but it is hard to characterize it otherwise"

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"]

[QUOTE="Ikuto_Tsukiyomi"]

He has said this multiable times in the past that consoles are the focus and it would be better on consoles. Carmack is just in damage control cause the game you know, was a horrible port. bug filled and a mess. Next headline;

Carmack: B'awww our PC sales where bad WE'LL BLAME PIRATES AND NOT THE FACT THAT OUR PORT SUCKED ASS.

ionusX

It's not been all that buggy(as in no issues at all) since I installed the brand spankin' new, well... 12 hour old, preview drivers... almost like AMD botched it moreso than id ('cause they did).

they released a new one improves bf3 preformance to and adds eyefinity for bf3 and rage.. fun fact 11.10 rev. 2.0

[QUOTE="strangeisland"]

correct if me i'm wrong, but didn't the PC start off ID ?

ShadowDeathX

And they most likely kick us in the nuts when they go multiplat

"We do not see the PC as the leading platform for games," Carmack added. "That statement will enrage some people, but it is hard to characterize it otherwise; both console versions will have larger audiences than the PC version. A high end PC is nearly 10 times as powerful as a console, and we could unquestionably provide a better experience if we chose that as our design point and we were able to expend the same amount of resources on it. Nowadays most of the quality of a game comes from the development effort put into it, not the technology it runs on. A game built with a tenth the resources on a platform 10 times as powerful would be an inferior product in almost all cases."

kotaku.com/5847761/why-was-the-pc-launch-of-rage-such-a-cluster

NerubianWeaver

So, xbox 360 gets the best versions of Witcher 2, Crysis 1 and Rage

And Dark Souls and a infinite ammount of exclusives that PC will never get

The system is simply killer, best console i ever had by miles

So, xbox 360 gets the best versions of Witcher 2, Crysis 1 and Rage

And Dark Souls and a infinite ammount of exclusives that PC will never get

The system is simply killer, best console i ever had by miles

loosingENDS

Okay, I have an Xbox 360 (which is gathering dust - maybe I should pick up Dark Souls once I'm done with Xenoblade), but I still found that amusing. :lol:

Anyway, I might as well post this fun article: http://www.firingsquad.com/news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=23760.
Headline being "John Carmack: Developing RAGE for consoles was a big mistake, future titles will put priority on PC hardware"

[QUOTE="NerubianWeaver"]

"We do not see the PC as the leading platform for games," Carmack added. "That statement will enrage some people, but it is hard to characterize it otherwise; both console versions will have larger audiences than the PC version. A high end PC is nearly 10 times as powerful as a console, and we could unquestionably provide a better experience if we chose that as our design point and we were able to expend the same amount of resources on it. Nowadays most of the quality of a game comes from the development effort put into it, not the technology it runs on. A game built with a tenth the resources on a platform 10 times as powerful would be an inferior product in almost all cases."

kotaku.com/5847761/why-was-the-pc-launch-of-rage-such-a-cluster

loosingENDS

So, xbox 360 gets the best versions of Witcher 2, Crysis 1 and Rage

And Dark Souls and a infinite ammount of exclusives that PC will never get

The system is simply killer, best console i ever had by miles

Where did you read best version of Crysis? ALL the reviews state that Crysis on consoles is inferior to the PC version. Just a quick browse through the MC blurbs does that.

And The Witcher 2 isn't released, but it already has been confirmed to not be receiving any free updates that CD Projekt Red might want to do.

I really like my 360, it is a killer system, but there is no way in hell I would ever say it has the best version of Crysis. That's just a sad joke.

Such a disgrace. This game dropped from my "to buy" list, after I saw the horrible issues with the PC version. I don't want to get it for consoles, PC version should have been superior and the money they saved by botching it will bite them back in sales lost and all the bad PR they are getting ...

Bunch of hasbeens. I can name a ton of better shooter developers than them off the top of my head.

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[QUOTE="NerubianWeaver"]

"We do not see the PC as the leading platform for games," Carmack added. "That statement will enrage some people, but it is hard to characterize it otherwise; both console versions will have larger audiences than the PC version. A high end PC is nearly 10 times as powerful as a console, and we could unquestionably provide a better experience if we chose that as our design point and we were able to expend the same amount of resources on it. Nowadays most of the quality of a game comes from the development effort put into it, not the technology it runs on. A game built with a tenth the resources on a platform 10 times as powerful would be an inferior product in almost all cases."

kotaku.com/5847761/why-was-the-pc-launch-of-rage-such-a-cluster

NeonNinja

So, xbox 360 gets the best versions of Witcher 2, Crysis 1 and Rage

And Dark Souls and a infinite ammount of exclusives that PC will never get

The system is simply killer, best console i ever had by miles

Where did you read best version of Crysis? ALL the reviews state that Crysis on consoles is inferior to the PC version. Just a quick browse through the MC blurbs does that.

And The Witcher 2 isn't released, but it already has been confirmed to not be receiving any free updates that CD Projekt Red might want to do.

I really like my 360, it is a killer system, but there is no way in hell I would ever say it has the best version of Crysis. That's just a sad joke.

Actually the developers themselves said that it is the best Crysis 1 version, with enchanced lighting and effects

I did not say it, the developers did, the ones that made the game

Now if the developers of Crysis are telling sad jokes is another matter

Also 360 will get v2 of Witcher 2 and all DLC until the release, again upgraded comparing to W2 launch game i played on PC

As for the hypothetical DLC i will have to pay for, 1. it does not exist yet and may never exist 2. it may be free 3. it will probably cost very little anyway if it ever comes

Oh damn, this is going to piss the hermits off like no tomorrow.

arkephonic

We got used to it. This hurts more the reputation of ID though. Carmack is not the guy who pushes the boundaries anymore. Rage is good, for a console game.

[QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

So, xbox 360 gets the best versions of Witcher 2, Crysis 1 and Rage

And Dark Souls and a infinite ammount of exclusives that PC will never get

The system is simply killer, best console i ever had by miles

loosingENDS

Where did you read best version of Crysis? ALL the reviews state that Crysis on consoles is inferior to the PC version. Just a quick browse through the MC blurbs does that.

And The Witcher 2 isn't released, but it already has been confirmed to not be receiving any free updates that CD Projekt Red might want to do.

I really like my 360, it is a killer system, but there is no way in hell I would ever say it has the best version of Crysis. That's just a sad joke.

Actually the developers themselves said that it is the best Crysis 1 version, with enchanced lighting and effects

I did not say it, the developers did, the ones that made the game

Also 360 will get v2 of Witcher 2 and all DLC until the release, again upgraded comparing to W2 launch game i played on PC

As for the hypothetical DLC i will have to pay for, 1. it does not exist yet and may never exist 2. it may be free 3. it will probably cost very little anyway if it ever comes

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

Where did you read best version of Crysis? ALL the reviews state that Crysis on consoles is inferior to the PC version. Just a quick browse through the MC blurbs does that.

And The Witcher 2 isn't released, but it already has been confirmed to not be receiving any free updates that CD Projekt Red might want to do.

I really like my 360, it is a killer system, but there is no way in hell I would ever say it has the best version of Crysis. That's just a sad joke.

ferret-gamer

Actually the developers themselves said that it is the best Crysis 1 version, with enchanced lighting and effects

I did not say it, the developers did, the ones that made the game

Also 360 will get v2 of Witcher 2 and all DLC until the release, again upgraded comparing to W2 launch game i played on PC

As for the hypothetical DLC i will have to pay for, 1. it does not exist yet and may never exist 2. it may be free 3. it will probably cost very little anyway if it ever comes

I wont accept the downplay of Crytek just because they are heavilly on consoles now, Crysis is still one of the best looking games ever on both PC and consoles

As for W2, i compare what people get to play, when i buy a new game i usually play it right away, dont wait many months to see if they come up with some DLC to replay it

The thing is that anyone that buys it on 360 will get the extra DLC day one and will actually play the game with it in the game right away, it wont be like an afterthought

The thing is that anyone that buys it on 360 will get the extra DLC day one and will actually play the game with it in the game right away, it wont be like an afterthought

loosingENDS

So by that logic,the definitive version of Mass Efect is the PC version,eh?(not that anyone didn´t knew that already).

Also,the PC version of Gears of War is also the way to go,not the 360 version,since it has everything the 360 had and even a full complete chapter not available on the 360.

I guess that logic will also apply to LA Noire.

I like how it's automatically Doomsday for PC again. :lol:

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"][QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

Actually the developers themselves said that it is the best Crysis 1 version, with enchanced lighting and effects

I did not say it, the developers did, the ones that made the game

Also 360 will get v2 of Witcher 2 and all DLC until the release, again upgraded comparing to W2 launch game i played on PC

As for the hypothetical DLC i will have to pay for, 1. it does not exist yet and may never exist 2. it may be free 3. it will probably cost very little anyway if it ever comes

loosingENDS

I wont accept the downplay of Crytek just because they are heavilly on consoles now, Crysis is still one of the best looking games ever on both PC and consoles

As for W2, i compare what people get to play, when i buy a new game i usually play it right away, dont wait many months to see if they come up with some DLC to replay it

The thing is that anyone that buys it on 360 will get the extra DLC day one and will actually play the game with it in the game right away, it wont be like an afterthought

You don't have to accept anything except for this. When Cervat Yerli says "Our game which was ground-breaking and future-proof in 2007 and broke the best of PCs is now on outdated hardware and guess what? It's the best looking version of our game." It literally translates to, "GET HYPE! BUY BUY BUY BUY!!!!"

The reviews ALL state the same thing: "Crysis is a fantastically designed shooter that everyone should play but is a shadow of the PC version."

Also, accept this: don't listen to corporate BS and take it as fact. The fact is that on a technical level it is impossible for the 360 and PS3 to keep up with the PC.

And as far as TW2. Your comparison is faulty. The Version 2.0 is free on PC. It is the current build of the game and that's what CD Projekt Red is porting to the 360. It doesn't make it the best. The idea of it being an "afterthought" as you put it is ridiculous. It's available on both platforms. One which it was designed for first, the other which it was ported to.

Rage may be better on consoles out of the box, but that's because it was designed for consoles it looks like. The Witcher 2 and Crysis? They've been DOWNGRADED to work on consoles. That's just the way it is. Still good games? Absolutely. Best versions? Keep dreaming.

[QUOTE="NerubianWeaver"]

"We do not see the PC as the leading platform for games," Carmack added. "That statement will enrage some people, but it is hard to characterize it otherwise; both console versions will have larger audiences than the PC version. A high end PC is nearly 10 times as powerful as a console, and we could unquestionably provide a better experience if we chose that as our design point and we were able to expend the same amount of resources on it. Nowadays most of the quality of a game comes from the development effort put into it, not the technology it runs on. A game built with a tenth the resources on a platform 10 times as powerful would be an inferior product in almost all cases."

kotaku.com/5847761/why-was-the-pc-launch-of-rage-such-a-cluster

loosingENDS

So, xbox 360 gets the best versions of Witcher 2, Crysis 1 and Rage

And Dark Souls and a infinite ammount of exclusives that PC will never get

The system is simply killer, best console i ever had by miles

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="NerubianWeaver"]

"We do not see the PC as the leading platform for games," Carmack added. "That statement will enrage some people, but it is hard to characterize it otherwise; both console versions will have larger audiences than the PC version. A high end PC is nearly 10 times as powerful as a console, and we could unquestionably provide a better experience if we chose that as our design point and we were able to expend the same amount of resources on it. Nowadays most of the quality of a game comes from the development effort put into it, not the technology it runs on. A game built with a tenth the resources on a platform 10 times as powerful would be an inferior product in almost all cases."

kotaku.com/5847761/why-was-the-pc-launch-of-rage-such-a-cluster

mitu123

So, xbox 360 gets the best versions of Witcher 2, Crysis 1 and Rage

And Dark Souls and a infinite ammount of exclusives that PC will never get

The system is simply killer, best console i ever had by miles

To say I'm disappointed with the reports of RAGE's PC issues is an understatement. How can a developer who has almost exclusively developed games for the PC and then ported to consoles drop the ball like this?

Looks like I'll be picking this up for half price in the inevitable Steam sale.

I saw a similar theard about rage yesterday saying the same thing about the console version.

System wars exploding lol, anyway, im still gonna play the game on my pc, thank you

We do not see the id Software as the leading FPS developer," gamers said and gaming press agreed. "That statement will enrage Carmack and the rest olf his studio, but it is hard to characterize it otherwise"

AdrianWerner

:lol: Hilarious. And so true. Guess he's been to busy making iOS games...:P

So, xbox 360 gets the best versions of Witcher 2, Crysis 1 and Rage

loosingENDS

So, the Crysis version with no MP, no mods and inferior graphics is the best?

And Dark Souls and a infinite ammount of exclusives that PC will never get

loosingENDS

Funny thing to say for the system that has the most exclusives.

The system is simply killer, best console i ever had by miles

loosingENDS

That's right, the best you ever HAD, not the best THERE IS.