Are people who have been gaming since the 90s stuck in the past?

I've been gaming since the early 80s, and I can't say I'm stuck with an interest in Atari level graphics and gameplay. People like what they like and sometimes they don't want to change.

If Halo series evolve into a JRPG, I won't blame people who are "stuck in the past" and would rather play its old FPS versions.GhoX

[QUOTE="GhoX"]If Halo series evolve into a JRPG, I won't blame people who are "stuck in the past" and would rather play its old FPS versions.Second_Hokage

Ahh but that is where you are wrong. Entertainment is a reflection of social reality (repeating myself).

Classical music is entertainment... so is JayZ ... I think we can say for certain one challenges your mind, and the other degrades it.

The inference of the 'bro gamer' phenomena is really a reflection of the drop in intelligence in these united states.

edit: if you use the word bro/bruh/brah/etc, your mind is incapable of understanding these deep realities; so don't bother replying!

haberman13

Have you ever tried rapping? Surprisingly harder than it looks, especially when it comes to freestyling. While I don't think Jay-Z is on the level of composing as famous Classical musicians, those composers also aren't known for their awesome lyrical abilities. Which is better is honestly dependent on what metric you're using to compare the two. Don't fall into the trap of think Classical European music is superior to all other music - it's a horribly outdated form of musical theory.

I suggest you read up on ethnomusicology. Wouldn't want you to sound uneducated, bro :)

I am fairly sure the problem is not that gaming has changed, that people are stuck in the 90's or what not.

Problem is that ALOT of devs and Pubs are pushing games in the same series that people loved in the 90, but they have absolutely nothing at all in common. We are not even speaking of spinoffs, but sometimes different genres alltogether.

Why do that at all, IF you are not trying to cater to the people who were fans of the first games?

It would be easier to make the games spinoffs and such, and RE sure have had thier spinoffs, rather then completely killing the aspects of the series that made it what it was to begin with.

I often wonder "Why" they do it, too costly not to make a new IP, sure I can live with that, Canonical followup, or a reboot, instead of spinoffs? Err.. Why would you do that?

They end up Alienating the people whove seen those series through, in favor of an audience that has no interrest in the series, and it strikes me as odd. Counter productive even, You rarely see the follwoup to a movie change genre entirely, like an Alien Movie which follow up was a romantic comedy, do you? It is kind of the same thing in my mind.

But just wait, Ive said it many times before, within 10 years God of War will become a dating sim about an insecure Spartan who has forgotten the comforts of home, A Uncharted Kart game (and being a canonical sequal, a Devil may cry which revolves about finances of repairs of all that damage, and a Mortal Combat sequal where Scorpion have grown tired of all the fighting and now is a kindergarden teacher.

Point is, that when you remove all possible hallmarks of a Game series, you kill the game, simple as that. The Survival Horror genre has been hit the worst, with all survival AND horror being traded for action and shooting many many many bullets.

Ugh, I forgot to write my Point -.-

Point is: When creating change, do not change what people have an attatchment to, build upon it, new genres for new control schemes, new ideas for how things can be done, is better tested in new IPs, not by ruining things that have millions of fans. Ive been through this hobbys evolution enough to see and know that most the things tryeid will fail, a new IP, for new tech that fails, is not as big a problem, as the damnation of a game series, OR an entire genre just to try to gain a target audience that never cared.

I've been gaming since the late 70s and things are only getting better and better. Try going back and playing Atari 2600! I remember how amazing I thought the NES was! I agree about the trends, I hate motion control, touch control, anything without buttons.

ironwarrior2

Exactly. Also DLC, yearly sequels...

I don't understand how you can give up on a video game series just because its evolving. Take Resident Evil for example; it used to be survival horror, now its third-person action and its FUN. How is this a negative? Are video games suppost to stay stuck in the past, never changing or evolving?

Maybe the problem isn't the game, maybe its you stuck in 90s.

Are you stuck in the past? or do you welcome change?

Second_Hokage

[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="parkurtommo"]I think it does... lolparkurtommo

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[QUOTE="mems_1224"] listen bro :P its not that people are less intelligent now a days. the majority of people have always been idiots. its just that everything is magnified now a days thanks to the internet. i think now, more than ever, there are so many games that there is something for everyone. we didnt have that in the 90smems_1224

I disagree, most people I know don't even read books, they just watch stupid "reality" TV shows. I'm the only one that reads in my circle and they all pick on me because of it.

Then you look at politics and you see people in either 2 camps, and voting for the same thing over and over again, while they let the media spin it how they want to, and they eat it up.

People don't think for themselves. They just want to work and then retire and then die, they don't want to live or learn. I think there has definately been a drop of intelligence in society. Pop culture is a good reflection of society's values, so what does ours say about us? You look at shows like Jersey Shore and people eat that crap up.

For games I don't go around telling people my taste is better than somebody else's, but the market is stagnant, it's mostly filled with shooters and tacked on MP modes now.

No it's about what you read, which I like doing because every time I have an idea there is already a book that explained it before. It's a good way to expand your mind. People that only do as their told, or more precisely what they think most other people are doing, are the downfall of human progress.

In a democracy it requires all men to be individuals and to question things, this is what stops the government from taking rights away and is nesseccary. If you let a tv show tell you what to like or dislike, or some website tell you what is better or worse, or someone else sway you, then your not an indivivual and shouldn't be allowed to even vote IMO.

And while you are right about different strokes for different folks, I fail completely to see the intellectual proprieties of Jersey Shore or it's kind. Like wise many games, such as the RTS genre, have very good thinking skills inlvolved.

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

Ahh but that is where you are wrong. Entertainment is a reflection of social reality (repeating myself).

Classical music is entertainment... so is JayZ ... I think we can say for certain one challenges your mind, and the other degrades it.

The inference of the 'bro gamer' phenomena is really a reflection of the drop in intelligence in these united states.

edit: if you use the word bro/bruh/brah/etc, your mind is incapable of understanding these deep realities; so don't bother replying!

Kickinurass

Have you ever tried rapping? Surprisingly harder than it looks, especially when it comes to freestyling. While I don't think Jay-Z is on the level of composing as famous Classical musicians, those composers also aren't known for their awesome lyrical abilities. Which is better is honestly dependent on what metric you're using to compare the two. Don't fall into the trap of think Classical European music is superior to all other music - it's a horribly outdated form of musical theory.

I suggest you read up on ethnomusicology. Wouldn't want you to sound uneducated, bro :)

I don't like most rap, I find it a lot of it is sexist and deragoatory. But I do like Immortal Technique, it makes you think a lot and the man is a poet. But I don't agree with all of his views, he reminds me of a new age John Turdell.

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"][QUOTE="mems_1224"] not necessarily. i know people who are book smart but completely lack common sense mems_1224

For one to be considered intelligent, one must play Bach on a phonograph, sip the finest vintage brandy and read War and Peace at least once a day.

It's not fun. I think you just have low standards TC.DragonfireXZ95

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]It's not fun. I think you just have low standards TC.Second_Hokage

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[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]It's not fun. I think you just have low standards TC.DragonfireXZ95

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="mems_1224"] listen bro :P its not that people are less intelligent now a days. the majority of people have always been idiots. its just that everything is magnified now a days thanks to the internet. i think now, more than ever, there are so many games that there is something for everyone. we didnt have that in the 90s1PMrFister

I disagree, most people I know don't even read books, they just watch stupid "reality" TV shows. I'm the only one that reads in my circle and they all pick on me because of it.

Then you look at politics and you see people in either 2 camps, and voting for the same thing over and over again, while they let the media spin it how they want to, and they eat it up.

People don't think for themselves. They just want to work and then retire and then die, they don't want to live or learn. I think there has definately been a drop of intelligence in society. Pop culture is a good reflection of society's values, so what does ours say about us? You look at shows like Jersey Shore and people eat that crap up.

For games I don't go around telling people my taste is better than somebody else's, but the market is stagnant, it's mostly filled with shooters and tacked on MP modes now.

I don't believe in Eugenics, and it's not pop culture or anything that I'm blaming societies problems on. It's simply that pop culture is a reflection of societies cultural values and I think ours could be a lot better.

It just makes me upset that a lot of people don't read, or don't want to learn for that matter. I believe intelligence is a choice, with different forms of intelligence (emotinal, spacial ect...) but choosing not to read is just odd to me, like why not?

I see it all the time with people discussing politics, many of them have never even read the constitution or any of the writings of the founding fathers (I carry a pocket sized copy of the constitution in my back pocket, seriously I do). And then they talk about things they don't know, or vote.

Same thing with religion, a lot of people don't really read their bible or understand it and then go around pretending like they do, or just listen to what other people tell them. It bothers me.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

For games I don't go around telling people my taste is better than somebody else's

balfe1990

You absolutely do. You are constantly putting your opinion on a pedestal.

FYI

SW isn't real life.

[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="parkurtommo"] I meant more the reality show part, when I see an ad for jersey shore or anything like that, I lose a few brain cells...balfe1990

For one to be considered intelligent, one must play Bach on a phonograph, sip the finest vintage brandy and read War and Peace at least once a day.

[QUOTE="1PMrFister"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I disagree, most people I know don't even read books, they just watch stupid "reality" TV shows. I'm the only one that reads in my circle and they all pick on me because of it.

Then you look at politics and you see people in either 2 camps, and voting for the same thing over and over again, while they let the media spin it how they want to, and they eat it up.

People don't think for themselves. They just want to work and then retire and then die, they don't want to live or learn. I think there has definately been a drop of intelligence in society. Pop culture is a good reflection of society's values, so what does ours say about us? You look at shows like Jersey Shore and people eat that crap up.

For games I don't go around telling people my taste is better than somebody else's, but the market is stagnant, it's mostly filled with shooters and tacked on MP modes now.

ShadowMoses900

I don't believe in Eugenics, and it's not pop culture or anything that I'm blaming societies problems on. It's simply that pop culture is a reflection of societies cultural values and I think ours could be a lot better.

It just makes me upset that a lot of people don't read, or don't want to learn for that matter. I believe intelligence is a choice, with different forms of intelligence (emotinal, spacial ect...) but choosing not to read is just odd to me, like why not?

I see it all the time with people discussing politics, many of them have never even read the constitution or any of the writings of the founding fathers (I carry a pocket sized copy of the constitution in my back pocket, seriously I do). And then they talk about things they don't know, or vote.

Same thing with religion, a lot of people don't really read their bible or understand it and then go around pretending like they do, or just listen to what other people tell them. It bothers me.

You gain knowledge from books, learning vocabulary and facts, etc. but the actual basic functionality and efficiency of the brain is what determines intelligence.

One of the problems is the constant focus on old series or just on what is popular. You see all the people whining about a yearly Call of Duty or how games like Resident Evil have changed but there is so much more out their for them to enjoy. Most people are just too lazy to look beyond the old series or the games that get advertised everywhere. Or they like to ignore problems of the old games and act like everything was always perfect.

Resident Evil is BAD EXAMPLE. Its a 18-rated game.

Take NINTENDO games for example.
Was great to play pokemon and mario when I was younger but JUST ONLY playing those games and not evolving and experiencing gaming all round is a bit sad.

Its wonderous and strange seeing these hardcore dedicated Nintendo fans, especially over 21 mark.

I've been gaming since the early 90s and I've enjoyed this gen. I only have a problem when a series loses it's identity. I don't mind change at all, but a series should always stay true to it's roots. For example, if I showed RE4-6 gameplay footage to myself 10 years ago, Resident Evil would be one of the last games I would think it was. Don't get me wrong this doesn't break a game for as I liked RE4 and % (I said RE5 was favourite one in the past, but I would like to retract that statement after trying to play it a second time) but it's still a negative.

Best generation so far but there is alot more crap like all PC games and the generic copy paste military shooters

Was great to play pokemon and mario when I was younger but JUST ONLY playing those games and not evolving and experiencing gaming all round is a bit sad.g0ddyX

People have to stop arguin over change, change is neither good or bad. Nintendo's games have mostly stayed the same, and its bad and boring. Many games have "devolved" to appeal to the masses due to gaming's more recent mainstream spotlight, which is ALSO bad. Meanwhile games like MMO's in general (more interactive and less detached focus on grinding and stats) have gotten better over time, while many games like Gears, Halo, ARMA, and Uncharted find success in staying with a winning formula, and no Call of Duty is not one of those games, that franchise is currently staler than 40 year old cheetos.

Sometimes it has merit but most of the time it's kind of silly, at least when it comes to specific genres. Outlooks on the overall state of the industry are 100% correct it is going down the ****

[QUOTE="g0ddyX"]Was great to play pokemon and mario when I was younger but JUST ONLY playing those games and not evolving and experiencing gaming all round is a bit sad.Zeviander

No, games were just better back then.

Games got worse when developers started making the games that the market/publisher demanded and not the games they would like to play.

nameless12345

Majority of people are just stuck in the past cause that's what the grew up with, I started gaming in 1996 and every gen for me has gotten better and better cause games have just gotten better in my eyes. There's only a hand full of games I would still even hold in high regard or play still from the 90's.

I prefer video games from the 90s, but have nothing against most newer games either. I think it boils down to preference in gameplay, graphics, asthetics, sound and many other variables which differ between many games made in the 90s and the games of today. I personally prefer 80s and 90s games to anything released over the past fe years, but that has nothing to do with me being "stuck" I just like older games more.

I don't understand how you can give up on a video game series just because its evolving. Take Resident Evil for example; it used to be survival horror, now its third-person action and its FUN. How is this a negative? Are video games suppost to stay stuck in the past, never changing or evolving?

Maybe the problem isn't the game, maybe its you stuck in 90s.

Are you stuck in the past? or do you welcome change?

Second_Hokage

Because games nowadays are becoming more suitable to casual gamers. For me, as a hardcore gamer, it is killing my interest in modern video games.

I want more complex games like in the 90s. Not some simple casual garbage.

Change is good, but do not mistake change with actual gameplay. Many games in days past where stronger in story telling and even more challenging than today's games. Why? Because with consoles and mobiles developers want to reach more and more "gamers" and titles have to be "suited" for a larger audience.

Asuming that people who played games in the past are stuck, is a missconception. Most of us have evolved from Atari to PC and Consoles. Sometimes I think it would be good for newcomers to games that they take a look at games of the past as well. In the past, developers had more freedom to make games, while nowadays publishers have most of the power to decide what games are to be produced.

bayernfan

This is what kills games. I hate the way games are heading.

If it continues like this, I won't be supporting new games by not buying them and go 100% retro.

I don't understand how you can give up on a video game series just because its evolving. Take Resident Evil for example; it used to be survival horror, now its third-person action and its FUN. How is this a negative? Are video games suppost to stay stuck in the past, never changing or evolving?

Maybe the problem isn't the game, maybe its you stuck in 90s.

Are you stuck in the past? or do you welcome change?

Second_Hokage