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#1 Nintendo_Man
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I personally was expecting the PS3 to be graphically better than the 360 though their promise of 4D graphics was a joke because it won't happen. But from so caled future PS3 games are supposed to look better than the current 360 games but i don't think they do. I don't have either console so it doesn't bother me, thought i would give my unbiased perspective (in the sensethat i don't support either company).
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I truly believe that as time passes the PS3 will show better graphics. You know, just like all systems:roll:.
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#3 Svarthek
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Seriously, don't ever say 4D graphics again.  It isn't physically possible.
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#4 choasgod
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While PS3 graphics are "only" equal to 360's i find it funny how Wii owners are looking for ownage over PS3 graphics ...

I thought graphics didn't matter ?
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While PS3 graphics are "only" equal to 360's i find it funny how Wii owners are looking for ownage over PS3 graphics ...

I thought graphics didn't matter ?
choasgod

Everyone has different opinions. k. :P

My friend told me the PS3 looks better than the 360 in Hd. idk if this any true or not?? Can any1 tell me??

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#6 Art_424
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The Funniest thing is that cows actually believe it...:P

Crazy Ken was just trying to sell a Blu-Ray player.

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#7 no_submission
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Ken never said "PS3 will have 4D graphics", it was a metaphor, you do know what that is right?
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#8 Art_424
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Ken never said "PS3 will have 4D graphics", it was a metaphor, you do know what that is right?no_submission

So quotes like:, "the PS3 is only using 20% of its potential" "The PS3 is a 10 year console", are just metaphors????, please explain, cause in my opinion a Lie and a Methapor are 2 diffrent things.....in that case, I would be veryupset at them for lying....lol

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[QUOTE="no_submission"]Ken never said "PS3 will have 4D graphics", it was a metaphor, you do know what that is right?Art_424

So quotes like:, "the PS3 is only using 20% of its potential" "The PS3 is a 10 year console", are just metaphors????, please explain, cause in my opinion a Lie and a Methapor are 2 diffrent things.....in that case, I would be veryupset at them for lying....lol

PS3 could potentialy last 10 years.

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#10 -L-U-I-S-
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4D graphics are already in games. The 4th dimension is time, games in real time are 4D
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#11 foxhound_fox
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Seriously, don't ever say 4D graphics again. It isn't physically possible.Svarthek


Technically it is... Metal Gear Solid 3 used it... Oblivion used it... Fallout used it... the forward (or backward) motion of time that contextually effects aspects of content of games is the "fourth dimension." The "4D graphics" quoted by Ken was as true as the "hidden power of the emotion engine."
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#12 hotdaisy18
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4D graphics are already in games. The 4th dimension is time, games in real time are 4D -L-U-I-S-

Ahhh, Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time. I need to play that game again.

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[QUOTE="no_submission"]Ken never said "PS3 will have 4D graphics", it was a metaphor, you do know what that is right?Art_424

So quotes like:, "the PS3 is only using 20% of its potential" "The PS3 is a 10 year console", are just metaphors????, please explain, cause in my opinion a Lie and a Methapor are 2 diffrent things.....in that case, I would be veryupset at them for lying....lol

Those quotes are meant to be literal. The 4D comment was a metaphor.

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#14 no_submission
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[QUOTE="no_submission"]Ken never said "PS3 will have 4D graphics", it was a metaphor, you do know what that is right?Art_424

So quotes like:, "the PS3 is only using 20% of its potential" "The PS3 is a 10 year console", are just metaphors????, please explain, cause in my opinion a Lie and a Methapor are 2 diffrent things.....in that case, I would be veryupset at them for lying....lol

I do believe that PS3 is only using 20% percent of it's potential, so was 360 when it first came out, Gears of War is the only game that pushed the 360.

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I personally was expecting the PS3 to be graphically better than the 360 though their promise of 4D graphics was a joke because it won't happen. Nintendo_Man

Their promise of "4D Graphics" was a joke because there are only 3 dimensions involved in physical objects. The fourth dimension is time, which can't be rendered by a graphics proccessor.

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[QUOTE="Nintendo_Man"]I personally was expecting the PS3 to be graphically better than the 360 though their promise of 4D graphics was a joke because it won't happen. the_bi99man

Their promise of "4D Graphics" was a joke because there are only 3 dimensions involved in physical objects. The fourth dimension is time, which can't be rendered by a graphics proccessor.

Yes, it can.

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#17 Danm_999
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4D graphics are already in games. The 4th dimension is time, games in real time are 4D -L-U-I-S-

No, that's not really correct.

Firstly, games have been in real time for years, so to qualify a console as having 4D graphics would be like announcing it worked with TVs.

Secondly, if you accept the 4th dimension is time (and time is not the universally accepted vector for the 4th dimension), you'd need to be able to move throughout that dimension at any point at every single point in the game.

For example, 2D games where you can walk up into doors are utilizing minimal 3D elements, but they aren't 3D. Similarly, modern games are using minimal time elements (if you accept time as the 4th dimension) but aren't 4D games.

Really, the whole claim was based to play on an understanding from casual gamers that 3D was the progression from 2D, so naturally we must be heading to 4D.

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#18 the_bi99man
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[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

[QUOTE="Nintendo_Man"]I personally was expecting the PS3 to be graphically better than the 360 though their promise of 4D graphics was a joke because it won't happen. XenogearsMaster

Their promise of "4D Graphics" was a joke because there are only 3 dimensions involved in physical objects. The fourth dimension is time, which can't be rendered by a graphics proccessor.

Yes, it can.

It can be rendered by a very advanced CPU, but it's not graphical at all, because time is not a feasible object that can be seen and touched.

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#19 ROCKINGFOOL
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4D graphics are already in games. The 4th dimension is time, games in real time are 4D -L-U-I-S-

dreamcast was the first ever to use 4D so if thats what ken is saying iam not impressed :)

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#20 Danm_999
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[QUOTE="-L-U-I-S-"]4D graphics are already in games. The 4th dimension is time, games in real time are 4D ROCKINGFOOL

dreamcast was the first ever to use 4D so if thats what ken is saying iam not impressed :)

Real time games existed long before even the Dreamcast.

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#21 XenogearsMaster
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[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"][QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

[QUOTE="Nintendo_Man"]I personally was expecting the PS3 to be graphically better than the 360 though their promise of 4D graphics was a joke because it won't happen. the_bi99man

Their promise of "4D Graphics" was a joke because there are only 3 dimensions involved in physical objects. The fourth dimension is time, which can't be rendered by a graphics proccessor.

Yes, it can.

It can be rendered by a very advanced CPU, but it's not graphical at all, because time is not a feasible object that can be seen and touched.

http://gamers-creed.com/?p=99

I think this is a good demonstration of how 4D can be viewed in realtime/3D.

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#22 Mordred19
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4D could be a metaphor for total immersion into the games on the PS3. Maybe not though, Kutagari was pretty crazy. Anyway, It's not very effective ammo against sony or the PS3.
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#23 Danm_999
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[QUOTE="the_bi99man"][QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"][QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

[QUOTE="Nintendo_Man"]I personally was expecting the PS3 to be graphically better than the 360 though their promise of 4D graphics was a joke because it won't happen. XenogearsMaster

Their promise of "4D Graphics" was a joke because there are only 3 dimensions involved in physical objects. The fourth dimension is time, which can't be rendered by a graphics proccessor.

Yes, it can.

It can be rendered by a very advanced CPU, but it's not graphical at all, because time is not a feasible object that can be seen and touched.

http://gamers-creed.com/?p=99

I think this is a good demonstration of how 4D can be viewed in realtime/3D.

It's one interpretation of what 4D means, and it only promotes it in a linear and minimalized function.

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#24 XenogearsMaster
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Then what is the non-linear and maximized function interpretation of 4D?

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#25 Danm_999
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Then what is the non-linear and maximized function interpretation of 4D?

XenogearsMaster

Being able to move through time at any point in the game, like being able to move in 3D in any point in, say Super Mario 64.

A 4D game where I can only move forwards in time is like a 3D game where I can only move left, up and forward.

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#26 XenogearsMaster
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[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]

Then what is the non-linear and maximized function interpretation of 4D?

Danm_999

Being able to move through time at any point in the game, like being able to move in 3D in any point in, say Super Mario 64.

A 4D game where I can only move forwards in time is like a 3D game where I can only move left, up and forward.

Like Chrono Trigger?

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#27 Danm_999
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[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]

Then what is the non-linear and maximized function interpretation of 4D?

XenogearsMaster

Being able to move through time at any point in the game, like being able to move in 3D in any point in, say Super Mario 64.

A 4D game where I can only move forwards in time is like a 3D game where I can only move left, up and forward.

Like Chrono Trigger?

Nah, time travelling games like Chrono Trigger, Prince of Persia, Ocarina of Time or Day of the Tentacle only allow you to travel at pre-determined and artificial points. It's like saying Donkey Kong Country 3 is 3D since there's a level when you can walk on seperate ledges behind and in front of a waterfall.

That's why the whole 4D thing is just a play on words to trip a mental association with the leap from 2D to 3D. The 4th dimension, if we accept it as time (which as I've said not everybody does scientifically, the definition of 4D is up in the air), is ridiculously impractical.

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I personally was expecting the PS3 to be graphically better than the 360 though their promise of 4D graphics was a joke because it won't happen. But from so caled future PS3 games are supposed to look better than the current 360 games but i don't think they do. I don't have either console so it doesn't bother me, thought i would give my unbiased perspective (in the sensethat i don't support either company).Nintendo_Man
dude all games wid ps3 with hdmi look better than 360.....but when 360 elite with hdmi agaisnt ps3 with hdmi some games look better ps3 and some look better on 360
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#29 Lonelynight
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Sony is retarted to say it can do 4D graphics
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#30 Omnisystem
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Seriously, don't ever say 4D graphics again. It isn't physically possible.Svarthek

Thank You. I dont even think 5% of the people talking about 4D even know what the hell it is. Hell, I dont think half of them even know what 3D is....

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#31 210189677155857843583653671808
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I truly believe that as time passes the PS3 will show better graphics. You know, just like all systems:roll:.Sir-Marwin105

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#32 bc1391
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If you think about Ken didn't literally mean time, 4D graphics can be defined by seeing things age in real-time. I'm not much of a tech geek but I think that relies on the CPU.
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#33 T3H_1337_N1NJ4
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So what if it can't reach 360 level... It's still 356 more than 4D!
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#34 Kevanio
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the ps3 wont last 10 years...its GPU is outdated, it has little RAM, even the cell will be outdone by then, the games will look so bad on it compared to PC ect that it wont even be funny, this console may last 4 years if that

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When they were talkin' about 4D, they were referring to the dimensions your wallet has to be to buy one.
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#36 marklarmer
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the ps3 wont last 10 years...its GPU is outdated, it has little RAM, even the cell will be outdone by then, the games will look so bad on it compared to PC ect that it wont even be funny, this console may last 4 years if that

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i'd have to agree with that

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#37 bleehum
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the ps3 wont last 10 years...its GPU is outdated, it has little RAM, even the cell will be outdone by then, the games will look so bad on it compared to PC ect that it wont even be funny, this console may last 4 years if that

Kevanio

Then by your logic, PS2 should have been dead long ago, but it, obviously, is still selling.

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#38 XenogearsMaster
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the ps3 wont last 10 years...its GPU is outdated, it has little RAM, even the cell will be outdone by then, the games will look so bad on it compared to PC ect that it wont even be funny, this console may last 4 years if that

Kevanio

A PC fanboy...

Are youangry that PC gaming is dying so you have to make stupid little comments?

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#39 nchan
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Super Paper Mario for the Wii is 5D.

2D + 3D = 5D

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[QUOTE="Svarthek"]Seriously, don't ever say 4D graphics again. It isn't physically possible.foxhound_fox


Technically it is... Metal Gear Solid 3 used it... Oblivion used it... Fallout used it... the forward (or backward) motion of time that contextually effects aspects of content of games is the "fourth dimension." The "4D graphics" quoted by Ken was as true as the "hidden power of the emotion engine."

Pokmeon GOld on the Gameboy used it :P
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#41 KrAcKK
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If the PS3 used a user friendly programming system like C++, then im sure it would pass the X360 in terms of graphics. But seriously no devs really want to develop for the system and finding it extremely difficult to do so. But as time passes and they get better with programming everything then hopefully the PS3 will get some great looking games.

atm nothing compares to Gears of War, period.

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[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

[QUOTE="Nintendo_Man"]I personally was expecting the PS3 to be graphically better than the 360 though their promise of 4D graphics was a joke because it won't happen. XenogearsMaster

Their promise of "4D Graphics" was a joke because there are only 3 dimensions involved in physical objects. The fourth dimension is time, which can't be rendered by a graphics proccessor.

Yes, it can.

Ha !!!.. Are U saying that i can Use PS3 to control time!!!that i can go back to the days of NES and in future when there is no PS!!!only Xbox and Possibly a comsole from Nintendo!!!

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#43 brainscientist
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4d graphics are only possible in the world that Bizarro is from.
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#44 XenogearsMaster
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[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"][QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

[QUOTE="Nintendo_Man"]I personally was expecting the PS3 to be graphically better than the 360 though their promise of 4D graphics was a joke because it won't happen. 5th_element

Their promise of "4D Graphics" was a joke because there are only 3 dimensions involved in physical objects. The fourth dimension is time, which can't be rendered by a graphics proccessor.

Yes, it can.

Ha !!!.. Are U saying that i can Use PS3 to control time!!!that i can go back to the days of NES and in future when there is no PS!!!only Xbox and Possibly a comsole from Nintendo!!!

We're talking about visual presentation in 4D.

Read the all the posts above yours...

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#45 Dahaka-UK
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TC you've been playing too many ubisoft ports :|
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#46 furtherfan
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so you took the 4d thingy litterarely?... right...
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I personally was expecting the PS3 to be graphically better than the 360 though their promise of 4D graphics was a joke because it won't happen. But from so caled future PS3 games are supposed to look better than the current 360 games but i don't think they do. I don't have either console so it doesn't bother me, thought i would give my unbiased perspective (in the sensethat i don't support either company).Nintendo_Man

i dont think you realize how ignorant you sound. do you even know what 4D is? look it up and then come back here so you A)edit your post or B)just not post again to save you from humiliation...i would recommend the latter...

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When they were talkin' about 4D, they were referring to the dimensions your wallet has to be to buy one.elektrixxx

So true! :lol:

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#49 TheJuggla17
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When they were talkin' about 4D, they were referring to the dimensions your wallet has to be to buy one.elektrixxx

So true! :lol:

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#50 TheJuggla17
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When they were talkin' about 4D, they were referring to the dimensions your wallet has to be to buy one.elektrixxx

So true! :lol:

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