NFL: Who is the Most Valuable Player? Brady, Manning, Peterson or RG3?

You people need to agree on a damn definition then we can actually debate who deserves it

MVP should be most valuable. It doesn't mean Most Valuable Player if it meant best player, otherwise it would be BP.

Too many to choose from for mvp. A **** load come to mind. Rg3, brady, peyton, luck, ap, von miller, jj, a. Smith, rodgers.....

The argument against Peyton in here is a joke. The Broncos made the playoffs last year, cool.. with a f*ckin 8-8 record. Their offense was a joke and a half. How many 3 and outs did that sh*t average last year? Like 8? Peyton is coming off neck surgery that could've ended his career, oh but that's no big deal. Not only that he went to a new team where he has to build chemistry with different players and a different set of coaches. Oh and by the way he's got 10 wins again with all those things considered. That's not a big deal? GTFO! You wanna argue Brady and AP, that's fine and it is arguable. But to say Peyton shouldn't be in the conversation is just plain stupid and it begs the question, do you idiots watch football? F*cking wastes!Bobbles

[QUOTE="Bobbles"]The argument against Peyton in here is a joke. The Broncos made the playoffs last year, cool.. with a f*ckin 8-8 record. Their offense was a joke and a half. How many 3 and outs did that sh*t average last year? Like 8? Peyton is coming off neck surgery that could've ended his career, oh but that's no big deal. Not only that he went to a new team where he has to build chemistry with different players and a different set of coaches. Oh and by the way he's got 10 wins again with all those things considered. That's not a big deal? GTFO! You wanna argue Brady and AP, that's fine and it is arguable. But to say Peyton shouldn't be in the conversation is just plain stupid and it begs the question, do you idiots watch football? F*cking wastes!sherman-tank1

The argument against Peyton in here is a joke. The Broncos made the playoffs last year, cool.. with a f*ckin 8-8 record. Their offense was a joke and a half. How many 3 and outs did that sh*t average last year? Like 8? Peyton is coming off neck surgery that could've ended his career, oh but that's no big deal. Not only that he went to a new team where he has to build chemistry with different players and a different set of coaches. Oh and by the way he's got 10 wins again with all those things considered. That's not a big deal? GTFO! You wanna argue Brady and AP, that's fine and it is arguable. But to say Peyton shouldn't be in the conversation is just plain stupid and it begs the question, do you idiots watch football? F*cking wastes!Bobbles

Can't believe I actually agree with this mofo.

Too many to choose from for mvp. A **** load come to mind. Rg3, brady, peyton, luck, ap, von miller, jj, a. Smith, rodgers.....

Chutebox

:lol: GJ dude

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[QUOTE="Bobbles"]The argument against Peyton in here is a joke. The Broncos made the playoffs last year, cool.. with a f*ckin 8-8 record. Their offense was a joke and a half. How many 3 and outs did that sh*t average last year? Like 8? Peyton is coming off neck surgery that could've ended his career, oh but that's no big deal. Not only that he went to a new team where he has to build chemistry with different players and a different set of coaches. Oh and by the way he's got 10 wins again with all those things considered. That's not a big deal? GTFO! You wanna argue Brady and AP, that's fine and it is arguable. But to say Peyton shouldn't be in the conversation is just plain stupid and it begs the question, do you idiots watch football? F*cking wastes!Bobbles

[QUOTE="Bobbles"][QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]I'm not sure if anybody is saying he don't deserve to be in the conversation, but I don't think he earns one of the top two spots.

sherman-tank1

So what is your point? Punish Manning because his division is crap? Guess what you leave AP in Minnesotta and they still won't win the division. Point again?

[QUOTE="Bobbles"][QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]I'm not sure if anybody is saying he don't deserve to be in the conversation, but I don't think he earns one of the top two spots.

sherman-tank1

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[QUOTE="Bobbles"] Yeah right, if you take him away and put Tebow back on the team the division isn't won and no one takes them serious in the playoffs. They are a SB contender with Manning and their defense is better with him. Their defense would be on the field for 40 minutes a game and wear down with Tebow. I expect dumb sh*t from you though, so it's not surprising. Your argument against him is the same stupid argument against Brady.Put_in_Kitna

So what is your point? Punish Manning because his division is crap? Guess what you leave AP in Minnesotta and they still won't win the division. Point again?

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[QUOTE="Bobbles"] Yeah right, if you take him away and put Tebow back on the team the division isn't won and no one takes them serious in the playoffs. They are a SB contender with Manning and their defense is better with him. Their defense would be on the field for 40 minutes a game and wear down with Tebow. I expect dumb sh*t from you though, so it's not surprising. Your argument against him is the same stupid argument against Brady.Bobbles

I disagree about Brady, them man has only thrown four INT's on the season. He doesn't make mistakes and slices and dices defenses like nobodies business. The Pats also didn't make the playoffs in that 11-5 year because they lost to division opponents the have consistenly beaten with Brady.

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[QUOTE="Bobbles"] Yeah right, if you take him away and put Tebow back on the team the division isn't won and no one takes them serious in the playoffs. They are a SB contender with Manning and their defense is better with him. Their defense would be on the field for 40 minutes a game and wear down with Tebow. I expect dumb sh*t from you though, so it's not surprising. Your argument against him is the same stupid argument against Brady.Bobbles

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[QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]Ok, but you take AP out of Minnesota and they would probably be winless right now. Take Brady out of New England and they would be worse than the Dolphins. I believe the Broncos would still be playoff contenders with Tebow because ther division is so shi!t.

Boston_Boyy

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[QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]Ok, but you take AP out of Minnesota and they would probably be winless right now. Take Brady out of New England and they would be worse than the Dolphins. I believe the Broncos would still be playoff contenders with Tebow because ther division is so shi!t.

sherman-tank1

So what is your point? Punish Manning because his division is crap? Guess what you leave AP in Minnesotta and they still won't win the division. Point again?

Says who dude? What are you basing this off? Opinion? Because AP has been with the Vikings for 6 years and they made the playoffs once. Guess who was their qb tht year? Yeah Favre who had an MVP caliber season. Seems to me like the Vikings don't improve much record wise with or without AP. They don't make the playoffs with him or without him so what does it matter. How valuable is he you say? You mean they can go from a 6-8 win team to a winless team? Doubt it.

The Vikes have Toby Gerhart that have shown some stuff, but playing behind AP he gets almost no play time. They would still have a decent run game without AP in my opinion.

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[QUOTE="Bobbles"] Oh yeah? They went 11-5 with Matt Cassel BETTER than 8-8 Denver with Tim Tebow, Brady is a product of the system. You POS, this argument stinks and you know it.

Bobbles

The Vikes have Toby Gerhart that have shown some stuff, but playing behind AP he gets almost no play time. They would still have a decent run game without AP in my opinion.

Yusuke420

Man this sh*t's so subjective. Ya'll can argue all day bout the pro's and con's, and some have good arguments. Mostly comes down to opinions.

I said Manning bc he came off those surgeries, and he better than ever. Elway knew without Manning the Broncs weren't going to the playoffs this year. Now they're a Super Bowl front runner with him.

If this thread does not prove you should decide mvp on who is the most valuable player, i dont know what will. Kt should be best football player, like the heisman. Thats all.

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[QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]Ok, but you take AP out of Minnesota and they would probably be winless right now. Take Brady out of New England and they would be worse than the Dolphins. I believe the Broncos would still be playoff contenders with Tebow because ther division is so shi!t.

sherman-tank1

Going based off 'most valuable' makes this basically a QB only award. No_Hablo_Ingles

[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"]Going based off 'most valuable' makes this basically a QB only award. Bobbles

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So what is your point? Punish Manning because his division is crap? Guess what you leave AP in Minnesotta and they still won't win the division. Point again?

Put_in_Kitna

Says who dude? What are you basing this off? Opinion? Because AP has been with the Vikings for 6 years and they made the playoffs once. Guess who was their qb tht year? Yeah Favre who had an MVP caliber season. Seems to me like the Vikings don't improve much record wise with or without AP. They don't make the playoffs with him or without him so what does it matter. How valuable is he you say? You mean they can go from a 6-8 win team to a winless team? Doubt it.

[QUOTE="Bobbles"][QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"]Going based off 'most valuable' makes this basically a QB only award. Yusuke420

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[QUOTE="Bobbles"] Pretty much. Any one who would take the top RB in the league over the top QBs in today's league is just dumb.sherman-tank1

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[QUOTE="Yusuke420"] With luck you can get both rolled into one (See RGIII and Cam Newton).

Yusuke420

Who? Steve Smith? He's years past his prime and nobody is stepping up on a consistant basis. Sophmore slump happens to even the best, so expect Cam to have an even better season next year, Lee would make me very happy as I'm a huge USC fan and to have him on my favorite NFL team is a great dream. He's on pace for 5,000 total yards this season, but passing TD's are down this year which is a reflection of the WR/TE core and some questionable things Cam has done in the endzone. If you're going to take a young QB to start your team, Cam is easily in the Top 5.

How is it a softmore slump when he's having the same type of year? He hasn't shown me anything that says he'll be a top QB.

And come on, Steve Smith is awesome.

How is it a softmore slump when he's having the same type of year? He hasn't shown me anything that says he'll be a top QB.

And come on, Steve Smith is awesome.

Chutebox

Give Cam a breakout wide out like Lee and someone to step up in the running game consistantly and you'll see Cam's TD number go up. His a passing yards are already on elite levels (back to back 4,000 yard seasons is nothing to sneeze at), but he is the only playmaker on that team.

Yusuke420

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Give Cam a breakout wide out like Lee and someone to step up in the running game consistantly and you'll see Cam's TD number go up. His a passing yards are already on elite levels (back to back 4,000 yard seasons is nothing to sneeze at), but he is the only playmaker on that team.

sherman-tank1

BTW, Smith has 1k yards receiving again this year. Don't tell me he's not awesome!

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Give Cam a breakout wide out like Lee and someone to step up in the running game consistantly and you'll see Cam's TD number go up. His a passing yards are already on elite levels (back to back 4,000 yard seasons is nothing to sneeze at), but he is the only playmaker on that team.

sherman-tank1

Your swiss cheese defense just held Atlanta down and I'd take a number of QBs before Cam.

Your swiss cheese defense just held Atlanta down and I'd take a number of QBs before Cam.

Chutebox

Your swiss cheese defense just held Atlanta down and I'd take a number of QBs before Cam.

Chutebox

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Your swiss cheese defense just held Atlanta down and I'd take a number of QBs before Cam.

Yusuke420

Laughing at you right now.

We are getting epically side tracked, but Carolina is my team, so of course I'm going to defend our franchise QB. Back to the MVP debate, is there an outlier out there you think should get some consideration? I have heard JJ Watt and Von Miller in the outlier names mentioned. Yusuke420

We are getting epically side tracked, but Carolina is my team, so of course I'm going to defend our franchise QB. Back to the MVP debate, is there an outlier out there you think should get some consideration? I have heard JJ Watt and Von Miller in the outlier names mentioned. Yusuke420

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Give Cam a breakout wide out like Lee and someone to step up in the running game consistantly and you'll see Cam's TD number go up. His a passing yards are already on elite levels (back to back 4,000 yard seasons is nothing to sneeze at), but he is the only playmaker on that team.

Yusuke420

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[QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]Yards don't mean squat. That would mean Stafford is an elite QB.

sherman-tank1

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[QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]Yards don't mean squat. That would mean Stafford is an elite QB.

sherman-tank1