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#1 ThatForumUser
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I would like to hear who you think makes up the extreme left. Which individual people belong, and what deeds they have done to make them part of the extreme left? As a bonus, please provide separate definitions for "extreme left", "left", and "moderate left".

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#2 Techhog89
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That depends on the country. In the US, Sanders is considered extreme left. In civilized countries, he's moderate left.

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#3  Edited By MirkoS77
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When I think Left I think those who proclaim tolerance but it’s only if you agree with them. Who are fascist in their censorship....not justified censorship (promoting violence or death threats), but for simple ideological disagreement. Victim hierarchies and points. Cancel culture. Micro-aggressions. Representation. White privilege. Believing only whites can be racist due to power dynamics and historical contexts. Rioters and anarchists who despise capitalism and embrace communism. Who believe violence is justified at times where it is not. Condemning people for the exact things they are guilty of.

These are all things I think of when I hear The Left.

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@MirkoS77 said:

When I think Left I think those who proclaim tolerance but it’s only if you agree with them. Who are fascist in their censorship....not justified censorship (promoting violence or death threats), but for simple ideological disagreement. Victim hierarchies and points. Cancel culture. Micro-aggressions. Representation. White privilege. Believing only whites can be racist due to power dynamics and historical contexts. Rioters and anarchists who despise capitalism and embrace communism. Who believe violence is justified at times where it is not. Condemning people for the exact things they are guilty of.

These are all things I think of when I hear The Left.

This.

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@MirkoS77 said:

When I think Left I think those who proclaim tolerance but it’s only if you agree with them. Who are fascist in their censorship....not justified censorship (promoting violence or death threats), but for simple ideological disagreement. Victim hierarchies and points. Cancel culture. Micro-aggressions. Representation. White privilege. Believing only whites can be racist due to power dynamics and historical contexts. Rioters and anarchists who despise capitalism and embrace communism. Who believe violence is justified at times where it is not. Condemning people for the exact things they are guilty of.

These are all things I think of when I hear The Left.

Basically this.

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@MirkoS77 said:

When I think Left I think those who proclaim tolerance but it’s only if you agree with them. Who are fascist in their censorship....not justified censorship (promoting violence or death threats), but for simple ideological disagreement. Victim hierarchies and points. Cancel culture. Micro-aggressions. Representation. White privilege. Believing only whites can be racist due to power dynamics and historical contexts. Rioters and anarchists who despise capitalism and embrace communism. Who believe violence is justified at times where it is not. Condemning people for the exact things they are guilty of.

These are all things I think of when I hear The Left.

Fascism is a far right ideology.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@MirkoS77 said:

When I think Left I think those who proclaim tolerance but it’s only if you agree with them. Who are fascist in their censorship....not justified censorship (promoting violence or death threats), but for simple ideological disagreement. Victim hierarchies and points. Cancel culture. Micro-aggressions. Representation. White privilege. Believing only whites can be racist due to power dynamics and historical contexts. Rioters and anarchists who despise capitalism and embrace communism. Who believe violence is justified at times where it is not. Condemning people for the exact things they are guilty of.

These are all things I think of when I hear The Left.

Fascism is a far right ideology.

Yet the far left currently takes up the practice far more often. Cancel culture is predominantly from the left.

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@silentchief said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Fascism is a far right ideology.

Yet the far left currently takes up the practice far more often. Cancel culture is predominantly from the left.

trump's action show the lie in your statements. With some GOP leaders abetting him.

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#9  Edited By lamprey263
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The people who want universal healthcare, living wage. In contrast to people drinking the Trumpism Kool Aid, they are also people who wear masks, social distance, and listen to scientists.

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#11 LJS9502_basic
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@girlusocrazy said:

I don't think there's meant to be any individuals identified or deeds done by the extreme left. The extreme left could be anyone on the left as far as people like Trump or his base are concerned. The nebulous idea of a group linked to whatever ideas the far right wants to demonize better serves the purpose of radicalizing people. Clearly scaring people into feeling they're on the brink of losing everything they care about will get them worked up enough and blinded by rage, then all they need is a target. We've seen that demonstrated.

Well yeah he says radical left over and over and over. He's very divisive. Most of the left is moderate. It's just the right became far right.

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#12 Serraph105
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The people who want to give you access to healthcare.

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#13 mattbbpl
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@Serraph105: I heard Obama was a Socialist, so obviously him.

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#14 Serraph105
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@MirkoS77: "but for simple ideological disagreement."

Please name a few examples of these ideological disagreements.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@silentchief said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Fascism is a far right ideology.

Yet the far left currently takes up the practice far more often. Cancel culture is predominantly from the left.

trump's action show the lie in your statements. With some GOP leaders abetting him.

No it really doesn't. Are the hoardes of people that go after someone in twitter demanding they cancel or fire some generally on the right or left? Was the massive group of people that showed up to stop the sale of a book on the right or the left? We're the groups of people that showed up to stop conservative people speaking on campus from the right or left?

You have to be delusional at this point to think the left isn't the one that engages in cancel culture.

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Wasn't the right trying to cancel a whole election?

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@girlusocrazy said:

@silentchief: Trump canceled everyone who didn't agree with him. At every rally and many tweets he calls out people. Recently he's canceled Liz Cheney and other Republicans are following suit. You have to be delusional at this point to think the right isn't the one that engages in cancel culture.

Trump, Trump, Trump... that's one man and it's all you radicals talk about. The right isn't just Trump. It's not ingrained in their entire culture. He wants to get read of people that impeached him.. that's a bit different then demanding someone be fired because they didn't use the right pronouns.

You are using one man as an example I can use thousands. Sorry it's not even close.

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@Serraph105 said:

The people who want to give you access to healthcare.

And raise the price of it for anyone who already has decent Healthcare.

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#20 mattbbpl
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@silentchief: Despite all available empirical cases showing the opposite.

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#21 HoolaHoopMan
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Actual communists and collectivists I suppose.

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Americans have no idea what the extreme left is, as evidenced by the daily postings on this board that Democrats are extreme left. The furthest left in the Democratic party are moderate leftists most everywhere else. Single payer/universal healthcare is not an extreme left position, nor is addressing global warming, nor are robust programs for maternity leave, paid leave/holidays, or living wages.

The Khmer Rouge. Mao and the reign of terror. Forced collectivization. The intent of the Red Brigades. These are extreme left examples.

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The far left are those with the holier then thou can do no wrong attitudes morally bankrupt and blinded by their self righteous virtue signalling. Most of these people changed their social media platform profiles black because that did so much to help black people.

They’re usually insane incapable of logical thought or reason. Will more then likely be an unemployed graduate of some useless degree and bitter at their social status crying for redistribution of wealth.

This demographic eventually changes into conservatives when they actually start earning money, paying taxes & own a house or vehicles.

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@Serraph105: look on ERA. Basically anything that deviates from all the things I’ve mentioned will very quickly get you moderated and banned.

-holding certain views on trans issues.

-not agreeing that all whites are, by definition, inherently racist

-if you at all attempt to claim Trump isn’t a fascist, racist, bigot etc (this is not something I argue, but I see immediate bans due to it)

To name a few. I understand ERA isn’t fully representative of the Left, but it does encompass and exemplify the absolute worst of the ideology at its extreme.

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@mattbbpl said:

@silentchief: Despite all available empirical cases showing the opposite.

Not true.

https://money.cnn.com/2016/11/04/news/economy/obamacare-affordable/index.html

That's not even counting the individual mandate that screwed anyone who didn't want the high premiums of Obama care.

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@silentchief: Oh, are you referring to Obamacare? It didn't do much at all to address costs. I thought you were referring to universal coverage as serraph's response implied.

I completely agree that the ACA was a bandaid that didn't do enough.

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#28  Edited By jaydan
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@SUD123456 said:

Americans have no idea what the extreme left is, as evidenced by the daily postings on this board that Democrats are extreme left. The furthest left in the Democratic party are moderate leftists most everywhere else. Single payer/universal healthcare is not an extreme left position, nor is addressing global warming, nor are robust programs for maternity leave, paid leave/holidays, or living wages.

The Khmer Rouge. Mao and the reign of terror. Forced collectivization. The intent of the Red Brigades. These are extreme left examples.

This is true. I got international friends living in countries from around the world, and some that come from war-torn countries as well as communist ones.

If there is one thing I hear consistently from individuals that live from different places, it's that they believe Americans don't have a clue what communism is and the people that push that narrative haven't lived in a communist country a single day in their lives.

If there's any reason why America is a joke to the rest of the world, it's the amount of hyperbole that come from people with privileged backgrounds that like to believe they really got it bad.

MAGA has been an embarrassment to this country and the world has been watching and passing judgement.

I have heard internationals compare Trump to the coming of Hitler, however.

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@SUD123456 said:

Americans have no idea what the extreme left is, as evidenced by the daily postings on this board that Democrats are extreme left. The furthest left in the Democratic party are moderate leftists most everywhere else. Single payer/universal healthcare is not an extreme left position, nor is addressing global warming, nor are robust programs for maternity leave, paid leave/holidays, or living wages.

The Khmer Rouge. Mao and the reign of terror. Forced collectivization. The intent of the Red Brigades. These are extreme left examples.

^^^Bingo

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#30  Edited By Silentchief
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@girlusocrazy: Most the right does not believe in cancel culture. I may not agree with what you say but I support your right to say it.

Do you support Antifa showing up to ban Andy Ngo's book and closing the book store until they decided not to sell it? Or the Portland riots all summer?

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#32 Serraph105
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@MirkoS77:

I.....the hell is ERA?

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#33  Edited By deactivated-609b1cfe23050
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The extreme left doesn’t exist. It’s just a word the right slaps on anybody they don’t like, to scare people from supporting them.

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#34 Silentchief
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@girlusocrazy: So you would deem those that support it in most cases to be extreme correct?

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#36  Edited By Planeforger
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@MirkoS77 said:

@Serraph105: look on ERA. Basically anything that deviates from all the things I’ve mentioned will very quickly get you moderated and banned.

-holding certain views on trans issues.

-not agreeing that all whites are, by definition, inherently racist

-if you at all attempt to claim Trump isn’t a fascist, racist, bigot etc (this is not something I argue, but I see immediate bans due to it)

To name a few. I understand ERA isn’t fully representative of the Left, but it does encompass and exemplify the absolute worst of the ideology at its extreme.

So in your view, the absolute worst of the extreme left are people who take 'equality' way too far, and end up making angry forum posts or promoting cancel culture on social media?

That...actually doesn't sound too bad.

I mean, in contrast, the extreme right would be people who are committed to the mass murder/genocide of anyone they are intolerant towards. That sounds a bit worse than people who will ban you if you hold certain views about trans issues.

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#38 redviperofdorne
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Part of me wants to say people like Bernie Sanders but ultimately, I feel like extreme left (or right) is simply describing individuals that take certain political stances to such an extreme where it is either you do it their way and how they want to do it exactly or it's nothing at all. There is no compromise, no bartering, it is simply letting them have exactly what they want and how they want it. Extremes, on both sides, are very bad.

As a moderate left, I can appreciate arguments on both sides. I can relate to conservative views while holding largely left-sided ones too. Once we start sacrificing to these one-sided nuts who want everything for nothing, It simply never works out.

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@Planeforger said:
@MirkoS77 said:

@Serraph105: look on ERA. Basically anything that deviates from all the things I’ve mentioned will very quickly get you moderated and banned.

-holding certain views on trans issues.

-not agreeing that all whites are, by definition, inherently racist

-if you at all attempt to claim Trump isn’t a fascist, racist, bigot etc (this is not something I argue, but I see immediate bans due to it)

To name a few. I understand ERA isn’t fully representative of the Left, but it does encompass and exemplify the absolute worst of the ideology at its extreme.

So in your view, the absolute worst of the extreme left are people who take 'equality' way too far, and end up making angry forum posts or promoting cancel culture on social media?

That...actually doesn't sound too bad.

I mean, in contrast, the extreme right would be people who are committed to the mass murder/genocide of anyone they are intolerant towards. That sounds a bit worse than people who will ban you if you hold certain views about trans issues.

They also end up burning down buildings, committing murder and viciously assault people. If you think the left is limited to offending people on forums I can gladly give you some examples?

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@girlusocrazy said:

@silentchief: If someone decides that as a rule that everyone should condemn a certain person, then yeah that's extreme, everyone should make decisions for themselves. Even condemning someone at all seems like it should be very carefully considered, and a last resort. But it's possible for someone to be universally loathed without an organized effort to condemn them. For example Jeffrey Epstein.

I agree with alot of what your saying but surely your not ignorant to all the times people do this? It's done mostly by those supporting extreme progressive values.

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We had the Front de libération du Québec in Canada, I mean Quebec.

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#43  Edited By uninspiredcup  Online
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Usually Antifa comes to mind.

These people come across as mentally unstable.

Probably put gaming sites like Resetera, Polygon and Kotaku and general Vox sites in that category as well.

Like, the opposite to your Sargon Of Akkad', Quarterings etc...

Pretty much all of them assholes.

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#44 Shmiity
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In the United States? ...No one? Bernie Sanders is Far left here, but in other nations he would be a pretty standard Leftist. The USA has a conservative lean so... I would say arguably no one.

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#45  Edited By Sancho_Panzer
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The way I see it, left and right are culturally relative terms to refer to the two wings of state. They don't have a single universal definition.

Online extreme 'left?' Sock puppets, trolls, particularly gullible students, saboteurs, the mentally unwell... Not that different from the online extreme 'right' probably.

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#46  Edited By xdude85
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What's considered "extreme left" in America is considered normal in Europe, Canada, and Australia.

You guys want to know what extreme left is, read about the Khmer Rouge.

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#47  Edited By Gaming-Planet
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There's hardly an extreme left in the US.

I would say Antifa but their values suck at being part of the left. They sympathize with communism but aren't familiar with it either. They have a similar authoritarian approach to that of Mao with his stupid struggle sessions but will cuck to corpos when it benefits them.

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#48  Edited By Maroxad
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The extreme left are tankies and outright communist stuff.

Think the CCP, Khmer Rogue, Erdogan Duterte, Venezualia or other similar regimes.

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@Maroxad: Erdogan is absolutely not extreme left, ideologically he is centre right with a mix of authoritarianism.

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#50  Edited By Maroxad
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@ghost_of_phobos said:

@Maroxad: Erdogan is absolutely not extreme left, ideologically he is centre right with a mix of authoritarianism.

Brain fart, I meant Duterte of the Philippines. Whose policies are very akin to the authoritarian left.