@sSubZerOo said:
@mrbojangles25: ... Uh corporate democrats support most of the same things as republicans, they are just not as blantant about it.. Take the EPA for instance, as President Obama spouted off about caring for the environment, the EPA was being influenced under his watch by corporations for their own benefit.. The Paris Accord was a toothless display that did absolutely nothing that all the fossil fuel heads supported because it didn't affect them.
Hilary Clinton outside of a few social wedge issues (that she only started supporting relatively recent in her career like gay marriage), was basically a republican deep in the corporate pockets and all in favor of continuing the foreign policy that was started with Bush Jr..
If you keep going "Yeah but Person A does it too, so Person B isn't that bad when he does X, Y, and Z" you're never really going to have a good frame of reference because your standards are always shifting. You will always have to choose the lesser of two evils (hopefully, someday soon, three choices...but still evil)
I mean imagine doing that in real life. Let's say you have a daughter, and I have a daughter. Now these daughters are beautiful and talented, and they're getting to be college-aged and we are thinking about their future. So you, in your wisdom, you decide to encourage your daughter to play sports because she is really good. Sometime she doesn't want to, so you need to pressure her a little bit, but deep down you know she likes it and in the end it will get her a college scholarship and ultimately be for her benefit.
My daughter is also beautiful and talented. But instead of encouraging her natural atheleticism, I decide to pimp her out to all my friends and charge them money. I collect this money and then store it away for her college fun. She comes home crying but I say it's OK, it will be over in a couple years, and it's all for the greater good and she will go to college.
You see the difference? In one example, you whore your daughter out just a tiny little bit. You make her do something she doesn't want to do but it's good for her and good for you; she might never even touch a basketball after college because she is so sick of the sport and suffers some mild psychological issues from all your badgering and might resent you for it, but damn is she thankful for your support and that degree.. In the other example, I whore my daughter out a lot and it's good for me and not really good for my daughter; hell she might go to college and still not amount to anything.
But no, it's not that bad, because we both whored our daughters out, doesn't matter to what degree. People will be like "Hey did you hear that guy down the street whored his daughter out to all his friends?" and some other guy will be like "Yeah I heard another dad whored his daughter out for basketball" and it's like whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?! Not the same NOT THE SAME AT ALL!
TL;DR: I guess what I am getting at is this: you can't say Obama is as bad a Trump because he sold a bit of the EPA to some corporations when Trump literally hired the EPA's equivalent of the antichrist to head the EPA
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