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#102 dabear
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@SUD123456: I didn't call you a "socialist", I called you a SCIOLIST. It was not a typo.

You lefties sure do like taxing.

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#103 HoolaHoopMan
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@dabear said:

@SUD123456: I didn't call you a "socialist", I called you a SCIOLIST. It was not a typo.

You lefties sure do like taxing.

L O L calling SUD123456 a lefty, which he most certainly is not.

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#104 mrbojangles25
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@HoolaHoopMan said:
@dabear said:

@SUD123456: I didn't call you a "socialist", I called you a SCIOLIST. It was not a typo.

You lefties sure do like taxing.

L O L calling SUD123456 a lefty, which he most certainly is not.

Honestly if you're a "leftie" in the US you're a moderate. That's the truth.

Very few people these days are legit far-left liberals, only the folks that want to ban gas and never want anyone to eat a steak 🤣

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@mrbojangles25 said:

Honestly if you're a "leftie" in the US you're a moderate. That's the truth.

Very few people these days are legit far-left liberals, only the folks that want to ban gas and never want anyone to eat a steak 🤣

Or, anyone from Berkeley. :P

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#106  Edited By mrbojangles25
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@Stevo_the_gamer said:
@mrbojangles25 said:

Honestly if you're a "leftie" in the US you're a moderate. That's the truth.

Very few people these days are legit far-left liberals, only the folks that want to ban gas and never want anyone to eat a steak 🤣

Or, anyone from Berkeley. :P

Well obviously anyone from Berkeley 😋

I think they actually did ban gas plumbing from any new developments (i.e. no more gas stoves, gas water heaters, etc). I don't know if I could live there. I need my massive BTU outputs on my stoves.

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#107 Maroxad
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@mrbojangles25 said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:
@dabear said:

@SUD123456: I didn't call you a "socialist", I called you a SCIOLIST. It was not a typo.

You lefties sure do like taxing.

L O L calling SUD123456 a lefty, which he most certainly is not.

Honestly if you're a "leftie" in the US you're a moderate. That's the truth.

Very few people these days are legit far-left liberals, only the folks that want to ban gas and never want anyone to eat a steak 🤣

The far left does exist in the US, but they are as of now, really on the fringe. Internet has radicalized a lot of commies unfortuantely, and between COVID and the 2007 financial crisis, has turned people to look elsewhere for economic solutions... nice sounding ones, but ultimately impractical and unproven.

Also, Steaks are gross, I wouldnt want anyone to suffer one. :P

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@mrbojangles25 said:

Well obviously anyone from Berkeley 😋

I think they actually did ban gas plumbing from any new developments (i.e. no more gas stoves, gas water heaters, etc). I don't know if I could live there. I need my massive BTU outputs on my stoves.

Eh I don't have gas and I can cook just fine.

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#109 Zaryia
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Tapper: Republicans take credit for bills they opposed - YouTube

lmao

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#110 LJS9502_basic
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@zaryia: Democrats need to push the truth.

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#111 mrbojangles25
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@LJS9502_basic said:

@zaryia: Democrats need to push the truth.

Yup!

Republicans are scrambling, even ol' Mitch doesn't feel too great about their situation.

Need to check their asses on every lie, misquote, and bad deed.

As long as they stick to the truth, the battles should almost fight themselves.

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#112  Edited By mrbojangles25
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@LJS9502_basic said:
@mrbojangles25 said:

Well obviously anyone from Berkeley 😋

I think they actually did ban gas plumbing from any new developments (i.e. no more gas stoves, gas water heaters, etc). I don't know if I could live there. I need my massive BTU outputs on my stoves.

Eh I don't have gas and I can cook just fine.

Oh I know, same here.

I just prefer gas ranges. More control, more utility (can char peppers, toast tortillas, etc).

There are some really nice electric ranges (induction stave tops are awesome) but they are pricey.

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@mrbojangles25 said:

Honestly if you're a "leftie" in the US you're a moderate. That's the truth.

Very few people these days are legit far-left liberals, only the folks that want to ban gas and never want anyone to eat a steak 🤣

The far left does exist in the US, but they are as of now, really on the fringe. Internet has radicalized a lot of commies unfortuantely, and between COVID and the 2007 financial crisis, has turned people to look elsewhere for economic solutions... nice sounding ones, but ultimately impractical and unproven.

Also, Steaks are gross, I wouldnt want anyone to suffer one. :P

Yeah I also think the far left is relatively easy to ignore compared to the far-right, which seems much more mobilized and actually has control over our politicians.

I mean, who is the most far-left serving politician in the US right now? AOC? Sanders? Yeah, not that far left. Pretty moderate for the most part.

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#113 DragonfireXZ95
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@sargentd Skimmed through that list and a good chunk of that happened in SPITE of Trump, not because of him.

Are we really gonna credit Trump for a Renewable Energy boom? seriously?

I really suggest you just pick your favorites in your copy paste, rather than the whole list, or put everything in bullet points so it doesnt clog up the thread.

Also, one of your xenophobic sources you copy paste seems to shirk the blame of COVID 19 away from Trump. But the fact of the matter is. Experts overwhelmingly agree that Trump's dismal handling of COVID 19 is one of the reasosn teh economy tanked so hard. The list also does not tell the complete picture on a lot of things and spins some of the bad stuff into positives by leaving out key information.

"Approved tariffs on $1.8 billion in imports of washing machines and $8.5 billion in imports of solar panels."

Are you SERIOUSLY trying to spin this into a positive?!?

Presidents have less power than you like to think they do. I would argue the legislative branch has more power as far as domestic affairs go. But one area where presidents have undeniable sway is in handling crises. And Trump's Crisis management was absolutely dismal.

Regarding some of his actual policies,

Trump Tax Cuts: Heavily increased economic stratification, and was poorly timed. Generally speaking, you want to spend while times are bad and save up when times are good, Trump literally did the opposite.

Trade War with China: This was arguably Trump's biggest failure, aside from COVID 19 handling. Presidents arguably have the most power in dictating trade policy. But Trump being the buffoon he is, squandered it terribly, went to a trade war with china. China found loopholes around it nearly instantly, and the american industry was left to suffer. And suffer they did, especially farming industries. The US lost the trade war, quite badly and the US absolute trade deficit is higher than it was prior to his entry into the white house. Arguably the highest in 30 years.

COVID Aid Hesistancy: This had a terrible effect. Trump was arguably the liability here.

Operation Warpspeed: This undeniably helped the US deal with the pandemic. And reduce economic damage and saved lives.

Not to mention, the Trump tax cuts fucked over everyone in the middle and lower class after a few years. Sure, the tax cuts initially gave us more, but last year I paid more than I ever have because taxes were going to raise every year after that to be higher than they originally were.

The Trump tax cuts were a farce to pull the wool over people's eyes. It was mostly just tax cuts for the rich, meaning that it's just status quo for Republicans.

https://www.policygenius.com/taxes/who-benefited-most-from-the-tax-cuts-and-jobs-act/

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#114  Edited By Zaryia
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Biden administration forecasts $1.03 trillion deficit, down by nearly $400 billion | PBS NewsHour

This should....[checks notes]....make fiscal conservatives mad.

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#115 Serraph105
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Biden has zero intention of canceling student loans does he?

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#116 Maroxad
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@DragonfireXZ95 said:

Not to mention, the Trump tax cuts fucked over everyone in the middle and lower class after a few years. Sure, the tax cuts initially gave us more, but last year I paid more than I ever have because taxes were going to raise every year after that to be higher than they originally were.

The Trump tax cuts were a farce to pull the wool over people's eyes. It was mostly just tax cuts for the rich, meaning that it's just status quo for Republicans.

https://www.policygenius.com/taxes/who-benefited-most-from-the-tax-cuts-and-jobs-act/

Yup, even back then we called it a tax hike.

People who actually read the law that is.

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#117 LJS9502_basic
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@Serraph105 said:

Biden has zero intention of canceling student loans does he?

I'm not sure why that should be done. Eliminate the interest. That's fine. But they did attend the school. They choose to attend knowing the cost.

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#118  Edited By mattbbpl
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@Serraph105: @LJS9502_basic: It was a much easier sell when we were trying to raise growth

It's harder to justify when we're trying to cool the economy.

It's almost as bad to fail to adapt policy to new circumstances as it is to have bad policy initially.

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#119 mrbojangles25
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Yet another good thing passed by Biden and Democrats!

As @comp_atkins mentioned in another thread, they passed student debt relief. While a band-aid solution to a serious problem plaguing anyone trying better themselves with higher education, in nonetheless provides serious relief to those that need it most.

Link to article

Link to thread, if you want to discuss just the loan stuff.

Now we just need to bring the cost of college down and prevent predatory loans.

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#120 LJS9502_basic
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@mrbojangles25 said:

Now we just need to bring the cost of college down and prevent predatory loans.

Trade/technical schools are probably a better option for a job.

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#121  Edited By mrbojangles25
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@LJS9502_basic said:
@mrbojangles25 said:

Now we just need to bring the cost of college down and prevent predatory loans.

Trade/technical schools are probably a better option for a job.

I agree, though I think a lot of people are pressured into four-year universities. Education at any level is great, be it a four-year, junior/community college, or a trade school.

But yeah, would definitely like to see more of an emphasis on trade schools or even just volunteer work. Get out into the world and experience some of it as a newly-hatched "adult" before you commit yourself to a college.

*In fact, college enrollment is currently experiencing a decline. Now obviously with all studies done in the last few years I think the whole COVID context is required, but there have been significant drops in college enrollment. I'm curious if that will go back up to pre-COVID numbers or if we will see people pursuing other options.

And are these kids just living at home, biding their time? Or are they out doing things?

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Meanwhile all the right has is buzzwords and literal cos-play 🤣. Any actual legislation amounts to fake culture wars nonsense or anti-science lunacy.

DeSantis Top Gov ad compared to Michael Dukakis tank footage - The Washington Post

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#123 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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@zaryia said:

Meanwhile all the right has is buzzwords and literal cos-play 🤣. Any actual legislation amounts to fake culture wars nonsense or anti-science lunacy.

DeSantis Top Gov ad compared to Michael Dukakis tank footage - The Washington Post

I can't imagine why anyone would be triggered by a campaign ad, but clearly it's working to draw the hits.

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#124  Edited By Zaryia
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@Stevo_the_gamer said:
@zaryia said:

Meanwhile all the right has is buzzwords and literal cos-play 🤣. Any actual legislation amounts to fake culture wars nonsense or anti-science lunacy.

DeSantis Top Gov ad compared to Michael Dukakis tank footage - The Washington Post

I can't imagine why anyone would be triggered by a campaign ad, but clearly it's working to draw the hits.

Going to agree, anyone actually upset at this is being silly. Even those "muh stolen valor" types.

It's better to just laugh at it and mock it. 😆

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#125  Edited By Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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@zaryia said:

Going to agree, anyone actually upset at this is being silly. Even those "muh stolen valor" types.

It's better to just laugh at it and mock it. 😆

Yeah, tribalists will do what they do best.

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@zaryia said:
@Stevo_the_gamer said:
@zaryia said:

Meanwhile all the right has is buzzwords and literal cos-play 🤣. Any actual legislation amounts to fake culture wars nonsense or anti-science lunacy.

DeSantis Top Gov ad compared to Michael Dukakis tank footage - The Washington Post

I can't imagine why anyone would be triggered by a campaign ad, but clearly it's working to draw the hits.

Going to agree, anyone actually upset at this is being silly. Even those "muh stolen valor" types.

It's better to just laugh at it and mock it. 😆

You do understand DeSantis was parodying a movie, right?

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#127  Edited By Zaryia
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@eoten said:
@zaryia said:

Going to agree, anyone actually upset at this is being silly. Even those "muh stolen valor" types.

It's better to just laugh at it and mock it. 😆

You do understand DeSantis was parodying a movie, right?

And it was bad and cringey, resulting in a lot of mockery. I didn't expect to see anyone actually defending it though, that on it's own is almost just as laughable. 🤣

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#128  Edited By mrbojangles25
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@eoten said:
@zaryia said:
@Stevo_the_gamer said:
@zaryia said:

Meanwhile all the right has is buzzwords and literal cos-play 🤣. Any actual legislation amounts to fake culture wars nonsense or anti-science lunacy.

DeSantis Top Gov ad compared to Michael Dukakis tank footage - The Washington Post

I can't imagine why anyone would be triggered by a campaign ad, but clearly it's working to draw the hits.

Going to agree, anyone actually upset at this is being silly. Even those "muh stolen valor" types.

It's better to just laugh at it and mock it. 😆

You do understand DeSantis was parodying a movie, right?

Was that the James Garner movie Tank?

I liked that movie.

*Oh I guess it was Top Gun he was parodying.

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Conservatives need to lay off the Trump train. It's bad branding.

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@mrbojangles25 said:
@eoten said:

You do understand DeSantis was parodying a movie, right?

Was that the James Garner movie Tank?

I liked that movie.

*Oh I guess it was Top Gun he was parodying.

Bu bu even though it was poorly done and extremely cringe worthy parody, you're not allowed to laugh at that because I said so! 😡

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@mrbojangles25 said:

Now we just need to bring the cost of college down and prevent predatory loans.

Trade/technical schools are probably a better option for a job.

really depends on the job

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#132 Maroxad
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I gotta say, right now I am envious of your left wing, Americans. And thast is something I didnt expect to say any time soon.

I said in the past that Biden migth end up one of the worst presidents in US history, but now he looks to probably end up in the upper tier.

Biden's attempts to tackle the inflation seems to be working too, the US dollar is staying stronger than most other currencies, look at the recent PS5 price hikes for example.

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#133  Edited By Maroxad
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https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/08/us-government-to-make-all-research-it-funds-open-access-on-publication/

Wide open

OSTP also contends that the payoffs of doing so for society would be large. "When research is widely available to other researchers and the public, it can save lives, provide policymakers with the tools to make critical decisions, and drive more equitable outcomes across every sector of society," Nelson said in her announcement. The policy document elaborates this by arguing the COVID-19 pandemic indicated that the benefits of immediate public access (as opposed to a year of subscription only) are even greater.

Under the new policy, any agency that funds more than $100 million in grants has 180 days to submit a revised policy to OSTP; smaller agencies have a year to do so. These plans must involve having any publications resulting from this funding be deposited in publicly accessible repositories on the day they appear in a scientific journal. They may still appear in subscription-only journals, but a copy must be made public. Separately, any data used in the publication must also be placed in a public-accessible repository.

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By the end of 2024, agencies must have plans to ensure that information on everyone involved in the publications is also available in repositories. All the data and documentation associated with publications must have a digital identifier (such as a DOI) associated with them. By the end of 2025, all of these policies need to be implemented.

To an extent, this overlaps with existing NIH policy, which allows authors to deposit pre-publication versions of their papers; publishers can still add value through formatting, integrated graphics and movies, and convenient cross-referencing to other studies, thus (potentially) justifying the price of subscriptions. Charging fees for publishing papers in open access form will also remain an option. So, this won't kill the scientific publishing industry overnight.

Democrats pushing for more and more good stuff.

@blaznwiipspman1 what do you think of this?

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#134  Edited By mrbojangles25
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@Maroxad said:

I gotta say, right now I am envious of your left wing, Americans. And thast is something I didnt expect to say any time soon.

I said in the past that Biden migth end up one of the worst presidents in US history, but now he looks to probably end up in the upper tier.

Biden's attempts to tackle the inflation seems to be working too, the US dollar is staying stronger than most other currencies, look at the recent PS5 price hikes for example.

I was expecting Biden to be a do-nothing placeholder, but we've had a lot of really terrible [mostly Republican] presidents, especially in the 21st century. The bar is pretty low and you have to actually try to be terrible I think to be the worst president in history.

Really hard to do worse than Bush Jr and Trump.

Anyway, Biden had a slow start but he seems to be taking off. Hope he can hold it off up to and through the election cycle.

And you're right about the dollar; was very surprised to see the Euro go below it (or is it above? I always get that backwards hahaha). Thinks it's the first time the Euro has done that in a very long time (though not positive).

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#135  Edited By Maroxad
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@mrbojangles25: There was one point where the Euro was below the dollar. Under Trump the Euro remained mostly stagnant against the dollar, even gaining at some points in time (especially when Trump implemented one of his idiotic trade policies). But following the 2022 inflation, the euro was hit particularly hard. While the dollar has remained strong.

Currently, the Euro and Dollar are at parity.

Democrats under this administration, started off slow for sure, but now that they seem to be in full gear, the US is left is doing really well.

Comparatively speaking, in Europe, we just had banned the addition of calcium to some plant based drinks >_>

(would call them milk, but advertising oat milk and other plant based milk as milk is illegal, so boxes now look like this)

In any case. Biden has definately surpassed my expectations in the past few weeks. His crisis management on inflation looks to be pretty solid thus far. And Crisis management is a huge part of how I rate presidents.

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More good stuff under Biden.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/pentagon-civilian-lloyd-austin-drones-b2152933.html

Reforms to try to reduce civilian casualties in foreign military operations.

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@Maroxad:

we just had banned the addition of calcium to some plant based drinks >_>

But.... Why?

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I'm also a pretty big fan of this:

US government to make all research it funds open access on publication

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#139 Maroxad
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@mattbbpl said:

@Maroxad:

we just had banned the addition of calcium to some plant based drinks >_>

But.... Why?

The dairy industry is dying. Dairy farmers are blaming it on plant based alternatives. Bribes governments, you know how it is with money in politics, sadly the EU is not exempt from that. This is done under the excuse of Misleading marketing under "Organic", but it is a whole load of hogwash.

Biden is way cooler than those bureaucrats! Just look at all the action he is taking.

My favorite part right now is when he made all research the US funds open access on publication. So cool it is worth bringing up not once, but twice!

Seriously that is a tremendous boon, and should help the US maintain its status as a leader in innovation.

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#140 mrbojangles25
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@Maroxad said:
@mattbbpl said:

@Maroxad:

we just had banned the addition of calcium to some plant based drinks >_>

But.... Why?

The dairy industry is dying. Dairy farmers are blaming it on plant based alternatives. Bribes governments, you know how it is with money in politics, sadly the EU is not exempt from that. This is done under the excuse of Misleading marketing under "Organic", but it is a whole load of hogwash.

...

We had a similar lawsuit here in California not too long ago. Basically, Dairy X wanted to sue Vegan Y for marketing their vegan cheese as "cheese" when certain food codes say that "cheese is made from the milk of an animal".

I think ultimately they sided with the vegan, provided they state it is vegan clearly on the package.

I think that's fair, though I do think a lot of vegan places try to hide the fact they're vegan lol. There's a bakery here in town and I was really excited to go and get something from them but then I found out they're vegan and gluten free. very disappointed.

However, what I am against is saying you cant fortify vegan products. Some people are vegan for whatever reason and need calcium, they should be able to ingest a vegan food product as a substitute for the non-vegan option and ideally get similar nutrients. Being forced to admit calcium seems kind of anti-consumer, forcing them to go buy a calcium supplement or something.

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My favorite part right now is when he made all research the US funds open access on publication. So cool it is worth bringing up not once, but twice!

Seriously that is a tremendous boon, and should help the US maintain its status as a leader in innovation.

That is cool, I didn't know that.

Fun fact: essentially all pharmaceutical research done in the US since ~2010 has been paid for by the US government, and yet they charge an arm and a leg for medication.

Hopefully what you listed above applies to medications. "Underground labs" are kind of a thing now, and apparently it's shockingly easy to actually make a lot of these medications. I'm not saying I would trust a pharmahacker or anything, but if it get's to the point where I can open a mom-and-pop medicine shop that's licensed and regulated and I can get meds for 10 dollars without insurance that normally cost me 1500, that might be kind of cool.

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@mattbbpl said:

I'm also a pretty big fan of this:

US government to make all research it funds open access on publication

Cannot knock this. Good move.

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@mrbojangles25 said:
@Maroxad said:
@mattbbpl said:

@Maroxad:

we just had banned the addition of calcium to some plant based drinks >_>

But.... Why?

The dairy industry is dying. Dairy farmers are blaming it on plant based alternatives. Bribes governments, you know how it is with money in politics, sadly the EU is not exempt from that. This is done under the excuse of Misleading marketing under "Organic", but it is a whole load of hogwash.

...

We had a similar lawsuit here in California not too long ago. Basically, Dairy X wanted to sue Vegan Y for marketing their vegan cheese as "cheese" when certain food codes say that "cheese is made from the milk of an animal".

I think ultimately they sided with the vegan, provided they state it is vegan clearly on the package.

I think that's fair, though I do think a lot of vegan places try to hide the fact they're vegan lol. There's a bakery here in town and I was really excited to go and get something from them but then I found out they're vegan and gluten free. very disappointed.

However, what I am against is saying you cant fortify vegan products. Some people are vegan for whatever reason and need calcium, they should be able to ingest a vegan food product as a substitute for the non-vegan option and ideally get similar nutrients. Being forced to admit calcium seems kind of anti-consumer, forcing them to go buy a calcium supplement or something.

@Maroxad said:

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My favorite part right now is when he made all research the US funds open access on publication. So cool it is worth bringing up not once, but twice!

Seriously that is a tremendous boon, and should help the US maintain its status as a leader in innovation.

That is cool, I didn't know that.

Fun fact: essentially all pharmaceutical research done in the US since ~2010 has been paid for by the US government, and yet they charge an arm and a leg for medication.

Hopefully what you listed above applies to medications. "Underground labs" are kind of a thing now, and apparently it's shockingly easy to actually make a lot of these medications. I'm not saying I would trust a pharmahacker or anything, but if it get's to the point where I can open a mom-and-pop medicine shop that's licensed and regulated and I can get meds for 10 dollars without insurance that normally cost me 1500, that might be kind of cool.

Yeah, I deeply fear for the lactose intolerant with this decision. 7% may not seem like a lot. But that is 770,000 people in my country alone. The Sweden I cherish always stands up for the disadvantaged. This EU law, may have screwed over hundreds of thousands of swedes, and for what? To protect the interests of an unsustainable industry.

As for the increased access of laws. This is exactly what I am hoping for, and why I would love to see @blaznwiipspman1's take on this policy. If we can normalize generics that aren't gated behind a monopoly (a monopoly on LIFE of all things). We might see some stronger competition for medications. And maybe even allow some new major players to show up. Bringing in their ideas into the industry.

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#144 LJS9502_basic
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@Maroxad said:
@mrbojangles25 said:

We had a similar lawsuit here in California not too long ago. Basically, Dairy X wanted to sue Vegan Y for marketing their vegan cheese as "cheese" when certain food codes say that "cheese is made from the milk of an animal".

I think ultimately they sided with the vegan, provided they state it is vegan clearly on the package.

I think that's fair, though I do think a lot of vegan places try to hide the fact they're vegan lol. There's a bakery here in town and I was really excited to go and get something from them but then I found out they're vegan and gluten free. very disappointed.

However, what I am against is saying you cant fortify vegan products. Some people are vegan for whatever reason and need calcium, they should be able to ingest a vegan food product as a substitute for the non-vegan option and ideally get similar nutrients. Being forced to admit calcium seems kind of anti-consumer, forcing them to go buy a calcium supplement or something.

That is cool, I didn't know that.

Fun fact: essentially all pharmaceutical research done in the US since ~2010 has been paid for by the US government, and yet they charge an arm and a leg for medication.

Hopefully what you listed above applies to medications. "Underground labs" are kind of a thing now, and apparently it's shockingly easy to actually make a lot of these medications. I'm not saying I would trust a pharmahacker or anything, but if it get's to the point where I can open a mom-and-pop medicine shop that's licensed and regulated and I can get meds for 10 dollars without insurance that normally cost me 1500, that might be kind of cool.

Yeah, I deeply fear for the lactose intolerant with this decision. 7% may not seem like a lot. But that is 770,000 people in my country alone. The Sweden I cherish always stands up for the disadvantaged. This EU law, may have screwed over hundreds of thousands of swedes, and for what? To protect the interests of an unsustainable industry.

As for the increased access of laws. This is exactly what I am hoping for, and why I would love to see @blaznwiipspman1's take on this policy. If we can normalize generics that aren't gated behind a monopoly (a monopoly on LIFE of all things). We might see some stronger competition for medications. And maybe even allow some new major players to show up. Bringing in their ideas into the industry.

I'm not sure why lactose intolerant people can't continue to drink it. Nothing is stopping them.

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@LJS9502_basic said:

I'm not sure why lactose intolerant people can't continue to drink it. Nothing is stopping them.

It is more about their access to calcium being limited. As plant based milks are often fortified with calcium. However, with this change, that may soon be illegal.

Either way. My point is, the US left is pulling off wonders, and i am envious of that right now.

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#146 LJS9502_basic
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@Maroxad said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

I'm not sure why lactose intolerant people can't continue to drink it. Nothing is stopping them.

It is more about their access to calcium being limited. As plant based milks are often fortified with calcium. However, with this change, that may soon be illegal.

Either way. My point is, the US left is pulling off wonders, and i am envious of that right now.

Have to keep people voting so the unpopular party that's trying to drag us into the past loses more power.

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@mattbbpl said:

I'm also a pretty big fan of this:

US government to make all research it funds open access on publication

That is absolutely fantastic. There is no reason these things should be hidden behind a pay wall. Even the people writing these papers want to give it out for free. The only loss is a greedy publisher's bottom line, which let's be honest, all have problems in the US and around the world.

Now do text books next lol. I still remember my organic chemistry books running up a price tag of $500 (per) plus dollars over tens years ago....the same place took it at a trade in value of 10 bucks. Worse than Gamestop.

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@HoolaHoopMan: My college rented out all their required texts at $50 (total, not per book) each semester. More colleges should do that.

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@mattbbpl said:

@HoolaHoopMan: My college rented out all their required texts at $50 (total, not per book) each semester. More colleges should do that.

What freaky socialism is this? I had to buy my own books, so of course everyone should have to buy their own books. Damn liberals. :P

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@horgen: Lol. It'd be funny if I haven't had the "renting ip is socialist," conversation one too many times.