so, most of the PS3 games may not use blueray disk??

just reading this

Quote:Originally Posted by TRega123Although you didn't provide a real link, you are correct. Every optical drive starts with CLV or constant linear velocity drives and then progresses to CAV or constant angular velocity.

CLV is good at reading data in adjacent sectors, however when data is scattered all over the disk (as is the case with games) there is a whole lot of slowdown due to poor seek times. CAV does not have this problem.

Both the sega CD and the PSP had CLV drives, and they have both demonstrated poor loading times. The good news is, PS3 games won't be on blu ray. They will be on DVD, just like xbox 360 games. They will not be on blu ray because of the poor seek times from the CLV blu ray drive.
I got this from a user from GameSpot (yes I know), is this really case with Blu-ray Drives and do you think games for the PlayStation 3 won't use Blu-ray Discs?

I know this may or may not be a stupid discussion, but can someone please answer this.

well if you think back to the dawn of the ps2, the games mostly weren't on dvd but nowadays i think just about all of them are.

we'll probably see a similar trend with the ps3 with a dvd to blu-ray transition.

however if its the blu-ray drive that makes this an issue, how come it can read dvd's with CAV and blu-ray with CLV only? or does the drive two modes depending on the type of disc or what???

Well no one knows for sure, but my best bet is that the first and maybe even second generation of games won't even be using the BR disc. Not only due to the aforementioned point, but also due to the fact that they probably won't even need that much space in the first slew of games to come out.Exeed_Orbit

lol you guys are so funny. some companies have already annouced that first generation xbox 360 games will be on two discs and so forth and one has even said that they might have to use 4 dvd-9 discs to fit their whole game on it

well if you think back to the dawn of the ps2, the games mostly weren't on dvd but nowadays i think just about all of them are.

we'll probably see a similar trend with the ps3 with a dvd to blu-ray transition.

however if its the blu-ray drive that makes this an issue, how come it can read dvd's with CAV and blu-ray with CLV only? or does the drive two modes depending on the type of disc or what???

cheapness1

well actually it will have 3 speed modes lol one to read cds one to read dvds and one to read blu-rays

lol you guys are so funny. some companies have already annouced that first generation xbox 360 games will be on two discs and so forth and one has even said that they might have to use 4 dvd-9 discs to fit their whole game on it

NICKnPSL

B.S.  Exactly zero companies have announced plans for multi-disk XBox360 games.  We'll probably never see a multi-disk 360 game.  We'll see very few if any PS3 games that needs more than 9GB of space, unless it's wasted on lots of FMV video.  It's amazing how easily people buy into unfounded Internet rumors...

[QUOTE="cheapness1"]

well if you think back to the dawn of the ps2, the games mostly weren't on dvd but nowadays i think just about all of them are.

we'll probably see a similar trend with the ps3 with a dvd to blu-ray transition.

however if its the blu-ray drive that makes this an issue, how come it can read dvd's with CAV and blu-ray with CLV only? or does the drive two modes depending on the type of disc or what???

NICKnPSL

well actually it will have 3 speed modes lol one to read cds one to read dvds and one to read blu-rays

woah!! three speed modes...so how much are load times actually influenced by that? i mean games like GTA have a massive load time to start and then like hardly any loading! does streaming data off a blu-ray disc mean reduced loading...? doesn't it also matter how the developers progamme it etc.???

It's funny to see what people who are addicted to a brand - Sony - do while they wait, and wait, and wait - they talk about stuff that nobody cares. miiiguel

its funny to see you...wasting your time typing that when no one here really cares...haven't u got a console to play/something better to do with YOUR time

[QUOTE="miiiguel"]It's funny to see what people who are addicted to a brand - Sony - do while they wait, and wait, and wait - they talk about stuff that nobody cares. cheapness1

its funny to see you...wasting your time typing that when no one here really cares...haven't u got a console to play/something better to do with YOUR time

[QUOTE="cheapness1"]

[QUOTE="miiiguel"]It's funny to see what people who are addicted to a brand - Sony - do while they wait, and wait, and wait - they talk about stuff that nobody cares. miiiguel

its funny to see you...wasting your time typing that when no one here really cares...haven't u got a console to play/something better to do with YOUR time

what if i like sony simply becaus eof the games that come out on their consoles. I haven't got enough money to buy all the consoles so i have to wait for ps3. If i had the money i'd buy every console so its more like money restriction than brand addiction. Oh and is xmenII:RoA good?

[QUOTE="Exeed_Orbit"]Well no one knows for sure, but my best bet is that the first and maybe even second generation of games won't even be using the BR disc. Not only due to the aforementioned point, but also due to the fact that they probably won't even need that much space in the first slew of games to come out.NICKnPSL

lol you guys are so funny. some companies have already annouced that first generation xbox 360 games will be on two discs and so forth and one has even said that they might have to use 4 dvd-9 discs to fit their whole game on it

[QUOTE="NICKnPSL"]

[QUOTE="Exeed_Orbit"]Well no one knows for sure, but my best bet is that the first and maybe even second generation of games won't even be using the BR disc. Not only due to the aforementioned point, but also due to the fact that they probably won't even need that much space in the first slew of games to come out.erikers

lol you guys are so funny. some companies have already annouced that first generation xbox 360 games will be on two discs and so forth and one has even said that they might have to use 4 dvd-9 discs to fit their whole game on it

I hope alot of PS3 games do use Blu-Ray disks. Even tough you can make a big game on one DL-DVD, it takes up more developing time encrypting just to fit it on the disk. Maybe companies might feel that the cost of making a game on a Blu-Ray is cheaper than waisting developing time and money encrypting. And by using Blu-Ray might help games be released earlier.:wink:

[QUOTE="Exeed_Orbit"]Well no one knows for sure, but my best bet is that the first and maybe even second generation of games won't even be using the BR disc. Not only due to the aforementioned point, but also due to the fact that they probably won't even need that much space in the first slew of games to come out.NICKnPSL

lol you guys are so funny. some companies have already annouced that first generation xbox 360 games will be on two discs and so forth and one has even said that they might have to use 4 dvd-9 discs to fit their whole game on it

[QUOTE="NICKnPSL"]

[QUOTE="Exeed_Orbit"]Well no one knows for sure, but my best bet is that the first and maybe even second generation of games won't even be using the BR disc. Not only due to the aforementioned point, but also due to the fact that they probably won't even need that much space in the first slew of games to come out.erikers

lol you guys are so funny. some companies have already annouced that first generation xbox 360 games will be on two discs and so forth and one has even said that they might have to use 4 dvd-9 discs to fit their whole game on it

[QUOTE="miiiguel"] [QUOTE="cheapness1"]

[QUOTE="miiiguel"]It's funny to see what people who are addicted to a brand - Sony - do while they wait, and wait, and wait - they talk about stuff that nobody cares. cheapness1

its funny to see you...wasting your time typing that when no one here really cares...haven't u got a console to play/something better to do with YOUR time

what if i like sony simply becaus eof the games that come out on their consoles. I haven't got enough money to buy all the consoles so i have to wait for ps3. If i had the money i'd buy every console so its more like money restriction than brand addiction. Oh and is xmenII:RoA good?

Software developers that are concerned about space are developers that love using FMV, and lots of it.  So far the 360 does not have a multi-disc game on the horizon.

In my opinion, PS3 games will not be on Blu-Ray either.  PS3 is reputed to be backwards compatible, so it'll have the trusty old red laser system.  And if space in games is not an issue, why wouldn't you go with the trusty old red laser?  At this stage of development the trusty old laser processes faster than a Blu-Ray laser.  That will change, of course.

But Blu-Ray, as with Hd-Dvd,  is really about the movies. 

just reading this

Quote:Originally Posted by TRega123Although you didn't provide a real link, you are correct. Every optical drive starts with CLV or constant linear velocity drives and then progresses to CAV or constant angular velocity.

CLV is good at reading data in adjacent sectors, however when data is scattered all over the disk (as is the case with games) there is a whole lot of slowdown due to poor seek times. CAV does not have this problem.

Both the sega CD and the PSP had CLV drives, and they have both demonstrated poor loading times. The good news is, PS3 games won't be on blu ray. They will be on DVD, just like xbox 360 games. They will not be on blu ray because of the poor seek times from the CLV blu ray drive.
I got this from a user from GameSpot (yes I know), is this really case with Blu-ray Drives and do you think games for the PlayStation 3 won't use Blu-ray Discs?

I know this may or may not be a stupid discussion, but can someone please answer this.

dd2005nian

[QUOTE="NICKnPSL"]

lol you guys are so funny. some companies have already annouced that first generation xbox 360 games will be on two discs and so forth and one has even said that they might have to use 4 dvd-9 discs to fit their whole game on it

CodeMunki

B.S.  Exactly zero companies have announced plans for multi-disk XBox360 games.  We'll probably never see a multi-disk 360 game.  We'll see very few if any PS3 games that needs more than 9GB of space, unless it's wasted on lots of FMV video.  It's amazing how easily people buy into unfounded Internet rumors...

[QUOTE="NICKnPSL"]

[QUOTE="Exeed_Orbit"]Well no one knows for sure, but my best bet is that the first and maybe even second generation of games won't even be using the BR disc. Not only due to the aforementioned point, but also due to the fact that they probably won't even need that much space in the first slew of games to come out.erikers

lol you guys are so funny. some companies have already annouced that first generation xbox 360 games will be on two discs and so forth and one has even said that they might have to use 4 dvd-9 discs to fit their whole game on it

Software developers that are concerned about space are developers that love using FMV, and lots of it.  So far the 360 does not have a multi-disc game on the horizon.

In my opinion, PS3 games will not be on Blu-Ray either.  PS3 is reputed to be backwards compatible, so it'll have the trusty old red laser system.  And if space in games is not an issue, why wouldn't you go with the trusty old red laser?  At this stage of development the trusty old laser processes faster than a Blu-Ray laser.  That will change, of course.

But Blu-Ray, as with Hd-Dvd,  is really about the movies. 

islandkiwi

Actually blu-ray is faster then dvd and faster then Hd-dvd

Software developers that are concerned about space are developers that love using FMV, and lots of it.  So far the 360 does not have a multi-disc game on the horizon.

In my opinion, PS3 games will not be on Blu-Ray either.  PS3 is reputed to be backwards compatible, so it'll have the trusty old red laser system.  And if space in games is not an issue, why wouldn't you go with the trusty old red laser?  At this stage of development the trusty old laser processes faster than a Blu-Ray laser.  That will change, of course.

But Blu-Ray, as with Hd-Dvd,  is really about the movies. 

islandkiwi

Damn, someone beat me to the Gta example :p.  Oh, sorry about quoting everyone, I just can't resist correcting people :[.  I've seen the official charts showing the Blu-Ray vs. DVD at E3.  There is something about Dvds that makes it read from maximum to only half speed, something to do with its configuration.  If I remember the words exactly.. the chart said something about it only reading stuff not on the inner rim at half speed.

But the Blu-Ray has a constant speed with inner & outer communication.  You guys are looking for rumours?  I'll give you damn rumour, you people know about the 'scatch' resistance of the BR roms right?  I don't think it means resistant, I think it has a smart chip in it & the data moves sort of like slicing jello, its all still their just moved around.

I'll let you guys half bake your brains on that one ;o.

I did state that was my opinion.  If anyone wishes to come up with hard data stating that Blu-Ray processes faster than todays red lasers, I would welcome that info.  I believe PS3 will use that red laser, being cheaper and more reliable.  Sony has not said games will be released on Blu-Ray.  I expect some games will be, but really that's just an expectation.  If Sony says Blu-Ray will only be for movies, will that keep you from buying the system?

Saying that there are unnamed developers developing multi-disc games for the 360 doesn't fly.  Might as well start the sentence with, I heard from this guy...

Finally, GTA being six times the size does not mean it can't fit on one disc.  Wait until the developers say something.

Xbox 360 doesn't even use HD-DVD technology for games. I read that a Japanese spokes-person of Microsoft even said that HD-DVD isn't going to be used for XBOX360. Someone in this message forum got the right idea and said something about a XBOX360 title having four cd's because it is very true. partytimekegs

:lol: I was the fool.

out of curiousity. are you saying there will be 2 lazers in the PS3?

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sunscorch

Fool?

You're not going to get backwards compatibility without the red laser.  Sony has talked up the backwards compatibility (ps2 and psone games).

[QUOTE="islandkiwi"]

I did state that was my opinion.  If anyone wishes to come up with hard data stating that Blu-Ray processes faster than todays red lasers, I would welcome that info.  I believe PS3 will use that red laser, being cheaper and more reliable.  Sony has not said games will be released on Blu-Ray.  I expect some games will be, but really that's just an expectation.  If Sony says Blu-Ray will only be for movies, will that keep you from buying the system?

Saying that there are unnamed developers developing multi-disc games for the 360 doesn't fly.  Might as well start the sentence with, I heard from this guy...

Finally, GTA being six times the size does not mean it can't fit on one disc.  Wait until the developers say something.

sunscorch

out of curiousity. are you saying there will be 2 lazers in the PS3?

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From the official PS3 specs

Disc Media
CD PlayStation CD-ROM, PlayStation 2 CD-ROM, CD-DA, CD-DA (ROM), CD-R, CD-RW, SACD, SACD Hybrid (CD layer), SACD HD, DualDisc, DualDisc (audio side), DualDisc (DVD side)
DVD: PlayStation 2 DVD-ROM, PlayStation 3 DVD-ROM, DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW
Blu-ray Disc: PlayStation 3 BD-ROM, BD-Video, BD-ROM, BD-R, BD-RE

Now you tell me how PS3 can read the cd's and dvd's without a red-laser and only a blue-laser.

BTW you will get owned if you don't post a decent awnser.

[QUOTE="sunscorch"][QUOTE="islandkiwi"]

I did state that was my opinion.  If anyone wishes to come up with hard data stating that Blu-Ray processes faster than todays red lasers, I would welcome that info.  I believe PS3 will use that red laser, being cheaper and more reliable.  Sony has not said games will be released on Blu-Ray.  I expect some games will be, but really that's just an expectation.  If Sony says Blu-Ray will only be for movies, will that keep you from buying the system?

Saying that there are unnamed developers developing multi-disc games for the 360 doesn't fly.  Might as well start the sentence with, I heard from this guy...

Finally, GTA being six times the size does not mean it can't fit on one disc.  Wait until the developers say something.

Bunnyslippers

out of curiousity. are you saying there will be 2 lazers in the PS3?

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.if so

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. :lol: fool.

From the official PS3 specs

Disc Media
CD PlayStation CD-ROM, PlayStation 2 CD-ROM, CD-DA, CD-DA (ROM), CD-R, CD-RW, SACD, SACD Hybrid (CD layer), SACD HD, DualDisc, DualDisc (audio side), DualDisc (DVD side)
DVD: PlayStation 2 DVD-ROM, PlayStation 3 DVD-ROM, DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW
Blu-ray Disc: PlayStation 3 BD-ROM, BD-Video, BD-ROM, BD-R, BD-RE

Now you tell me how PS3 can read the cd's and dvd's without a red-laser and only a blue-laser.

BTW you will get owned if you don't post a decent awnser.

*folds hands and points index fingers upward*

I guess I don't know what lazers are capable of. I expected more. I have been owned. but out of curiousity. why do CD's and DVD's use the same lazer if the disc space is different? I expected the blu-ray lazer to work similar.

Fool?

You're not going to get backwards compatibility without the red laser.  Sony has talked up the backwards compatibility (ps2 and psone games).

islandkiwi

oh. and I appologize. me being owned was enough to prove that I was the fool in this instance.

[QUOTE="islandkiwi"]

Fool?

You're not going to get backwards compatibility without the red laser.  Sony has talked up the backwards compatibility (ps2 and psone games).

sunscorch

oh. and I appologize. me being owned was enough to prove that I was the fool in this instance.

Apology accepted.:D

And once again, this highly anticipated 360 game on 4 discs is not only purely speculative, but totally off-topic.  Read the topic and start from scratch.