The Old Republic dev mission walkthrough from PAX

I don't know about you guys, but this takes my excitement for this game off the charts.

http://www.swtor.com/media/trailers/taral-v-developer-walkthrough

I had no faith in this game at all. It looks like a single player game attempting to be an MMO. A waste of production values being placed on voice acting.

Guild Wars 2 is the MMO to look out for.

Guild Wars 2 is just a rehash of generic MMO 101. I'm interested in it too, but can't say I've ever felt any measure of excitement about it.guynamedbilly

Um, do you know anything about GW2 at all? If you did, you would not make such a statement.

[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"]Guild Wars 2 is just a rehash of generic MMO 101. I'm interested in it too, but can't say I've ever felt any measure of excitement about it.Esoteric

Um, do you know anything about GW2 at all? If you did, you would not make such a statement.

I had no faith in this game at all. It looks like a single player game attempting to be an MMO. A waste of production values being placed on voice acting.

Guild Wars 2 is the MMO to look out for.

Wasdie

I had no faith in this game at all. It looks like a single player game attempting to be an MMO. A waste of production values being placed on voice acting.

Guild Wars 2 is the MMO to look out for.

Wasdie

The combat looks a lot better than KOTOR and playing with friends will only make it better.

Makes me wonder how many players will have the patience to stand all the talking though.

so disapointed with this game

so disapointed with this game

sinpkr

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

I had no faith in this game at all. It looks like a single player game attempting to be an MMO. A waste of production values being placed on voice acting.

Guild Wars 2 is the MMO to look out for.

GeneralShowzer

The combat looks a lot better than KOTOR and playing with friends will only make it better.

Makes me wonder how many players will have the patience to stand all the talking though.

I had no faith in this game at all. It looks like a single player game attempting to be an MMO. A waste of production values being placed on voice acting.

Guild Wars 2 is the MMO to look out for.

Wasdie

I had no faith in this game at all. It looks like a single player game attempting to be an MMO. A waste of production values being placed on voice acting.

Guild Wars 2 is the MMO to look out for.

Wasdie

Guild Wars is hardly a series that I would call an MMO.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

I had no faith in this game at all. It looks like a single player game attempting to be an MMO. A waste of production values being placed on voice acting.

Guild Wars 2 is the MMO to look out for.

JangoWuzHere

Guild Wars is hardly a series that I would call an MMO.

Guild Wars 1 maybe, but Guild Wars 2 is something totally different. Do a bit of research.

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

I had no faith in this game at all. It looks like a single player game attempting to be an MMO. A waste of production values being placed on voice acting.

Guild Wars 2 is the MMO to look out for.

Wasdie

Guild Wars is hardly a series that I would call an MMO.

Guild Wars 1 maybe, but Guild Wars 2 is something totally different. Do a bit of research.

My issue with GW2 is it will be plagued by a Cash Shop. Since they are making an MMO without a monthly fee, the sales of the game alone will not compensate for the money spent on the game. So if you want to be on par with other players, youll need to pay out money into a cash shop. They have not announced this, but mark my word it will be this way.

SWTOR on the other hand is shaping up well and I do not understand the hate you guys have for it. I find in regular mmos i just skip through conversations, now I will actually want to participate in the story. This game is an mmo, make no mistake about this. They just did flash points so they could focus more on story for a section of the game. The rest of the game while questing is done in a very typical mmo style, but with voice acting.

If you're a big star wars fan like me you know why SWTOR is so great. Because its always been my dream to have a game where i can exist in the star wars world with my friends. Sounds stupid, but for me this game is just what I wanted.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

Guild Wars is hardly a series that I would call an MMO.

Crypt_mx

Guild Wars 1 maybe, but Guild Wars 2 is something totally different. Do a bit of research.

My issue with GW2 is it will be plagued by a Cash Shop. Since they are making an MMO without a monthly fee, the sales of the game alone will not compensate for the money spent on the game. So if you want to be on par with other players, youll need to pay out money into a cash shop. They have not announced this, but mark my word it will be this way.

SWTOR on the other hand is shaping up well and I do not understand the hate you guys have for it. I find in regular mmos i just skip through conversations, now I will actually want to participate in the story. This game is an mmo, make no mistake about this. They just did flash points so they could focus more on story for a section of the game. The rest of the game while questing is done in a very typical mmo style, but with voice acting.

If you're a big star wars fan like me you know why SWTOR is so great. Because its always been my dream to have a game where i can exist in the star wars world with my friends. Sounds stupid, but for me this game is just what I wanted.

how the hell did gw1 survive then?

[QUOTE="Crypt_mx"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Guild Wars 1 maybe, but Guild Wars 2 is something totally different. Do a bit of research.

firefluff3

My issue with GW2 is it will be plagued by a Cash Shop. Since they are making an MMO without a monthly fee, the sales of the game alone will not compensate for the money spent on the game. So if you want to be on par with other players, youll need to pay out money into a cash shop. They have not announced this, but mark my word it will be this way.

SWTOR on the other hand is shaping up well and I do not understand the hate you guys have for it. I find in regular mmos i just skip through conversations, now I will actually want to participate in the story. This game is an mmo, make no mistake about this. They just did flash points so they could focus more on story for a section of the game. The rest of the game while questing is done in a very typical mmo style, but with voice acting.

If you're a big star wars fan like me you know why SWTOR is so great. Because its always been my dream to have a game where i can exist in the star wars world with my friends. Sounds stupid, but for me this game is just what I wanted.

how the hell did gw1 survive then?

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

Guild Wars is hardly a series that I would call an MMO.

Crypt_mx

Guild Wars 1 maybe, but Guild Wars 2 is something totally different. Do a bit of research.

My issue with GW2 is it will be plagued by a Cash Shop. Since they are making an MMO without a monthly fee, the sales of the game alone will not compensate for the money spent on the game. So if you want to be on par with other players, youll need to pay out money into a cash shop. They have not announced this, but mark my word it will be this way.

SWTOR on the other hand is shaping up well and I do not understand the hate you guys have for it. I find in regular mmos i just skip through conversations, now I will actually want to participate in the story. This game is an mmo, make no mistake about this. They just did flash points so they could focus more on story for a section of the game. The rest of the game while questing is done in a very typical mmo style, but with voice acting.

If you're a big star wars fan like me you know why SWTOR is so great. Because its always been my dream to have a game where i can exist in the star wars world with my friends. Sounds stupid, but for me this game is just what I wanted.

[QUOTE="firefluff3"]

[QUOTE="Crypt_mx"]

My issue with GW2 is it will be plagued by a Cash Shop. Since they are making an MMO without a monthly fee, the sales of the game alone will not compensate for the money spent on the game. So if you want to be on par with other players, youll need to pay out money into a cash shop. They have not announced this, but mark my word it will be this way.

SWTOR on the other hand is shaping up well and I do not understand the hate you guys have for it. I find in regular mmos i just skip through conversations, now I will actually want to participate in the story. This game is an mmo, make no mistake about this. They just did flash points so they could focus more on story for a section of the game. The rest of the game while questing is done in a very typical mmo style, but with voice acting.

If you're a big star wars fan like me you know why SWTOR is so great. Because its always been my dream to have a game where i can exist in the star wars world with my friends. Sounds stupid, but for me this game is just what I wanted.

GeneralShowzer

how the hell did gw1 survive then?

[QUOTE="firefluff3"]

[QUOTE="Crypt_mx"]

My issue with GW2 is it will be plagued by a Cash Shop. Since they are making an MMO without a monthly fee, the sales of the game alone will not compensate for the money spent on the game. So if you want to be on par with other players, youll need to pay out money into a cash shop. They have not announced this, but mark my word it will be this way.

SWTOR on the other hand is shaping up well and I do not understand the hate you guys have for it. I find in regular mmos i just skip through conversations, now I will actually want to participate in the story. This game is an mmo, make no mistake about this. They just did flash points so they could focus more on story for a section of the game. The rest of the game while questing is done in a very typical mmo style, but with voice acting.

If you're a big star wars fan like me you know why SWTOR is so great. Because its always been my dream to have a game where i can exist in the star wars world with my friends. Sounds stupid, but for me this game is just what I wanted.

GeneralShowzer

how the hell did gw1 survive then?

And those sales worked fine for the first couple years the game was out, but now the cash shop has grown much larger and offers a variety of different things that you can buy. It doesnt matter if you sell 20 million copies, using that money for server up-keep and game updates requires many employees to continue working on the game, and then the profit made shrinks until a cash shop is forced. Even if we do not see one at launch for GW2, there WILL be one.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

I had no faith in this game at all. It looks like a single player game attempting to be an MMO. A waste of production values being placed on voice acting.

Guild Wars 2 is the MMO to look out for.

SkyWard20

any news if this is f2p?Batang_X990

any news if this is f2p?Batang_X990

No. The game will have a monthly fee of around 15$ USD.

The price has not yet been confirmed but the have said there will be a monthly fee, similar to other big mmo titles.

I had no faith in this game at all. It looks like a single player game attempting to be an MMO. A waste of production values being placed on voice acting.

Guild Wars 2 is the MMO to look out for.

Wasdie

Guild Wars 2 is just a rehash of generic MMO 101. I'm interested in it too, but can't say I've ever felt any measure of excitement about it.guynamedbilly

Guild Wars 2 is just a rehash of generic MMO 101. I'm interested in it too, but can't say I've ever felt any measure of excitement about it.guynamedbilly

Funny, since in every catagory I can see, Guild Wars 2 seems a lot more creative and original than TOR.

[QUOTE="Batang_X990"]any news if this is f2p?Steameffekt

[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"]Guild Wars 2 is just a rehash of generic MMO 101. I'm interested in it too, but can't say I've ever felt any measure of excitement about it.cobrax55

Funny, since in every catagory I can see, Guild Wars 2 seems a lot more creative and original than TOR.

[QUOTE="cobrax55"]

[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"]Guild Wars 2 is just a rehash of generic MMO 101. I'm interested in it too, but can't say I've ever felt any measure of excitement about it.Steameffekt

Funny, since in every catagory I can see, Guild Wars 2 seems a lot more creative and original than TOR.

[QUOTE="cobrax55"]

[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"]Guild Wars 2 is just a rehash of generic MMO 101. I'm interested in it too, but can't say I've ever felt any measure of excitement about it.Steameffekt

Funny, since in every catagory I can see, Guild Wars 2 seems a lot more creative and original than TOR.

Because everything about it is the same as MMO's have always been. The reality is that it would never even be hyped if it wasnt in development by Bioware and wasnt star wars.

Its biggest selling point is that its fully voiced (which is true of Guild Wars 2 as well). Guild Wars 2 on the other, has gotten rid of questing in its entirety. Its not exacly hard to tell which is most different from the generic MMO.

[QUOTE="Steameffekt"][QUOTE="cobrax55"]

Funny, since in every catagory I can see, Guild Wars 2 seems a lot more creative and original than TOR.

cobrax55

Because everything about it is the same as MMO's have always been. The reality is that it would never even be hyped if it wasnt in development by Bioware and wasnt star wars.

Its biggest selling point is that its fully voiced (which is true of Guild Wars 2 as well). Guild Wars 2 on the other, has gotten rid of questing in its entirety. Its not exacly hard to tell which is most different from the generic MMO.

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]

[QUOTE="firefluff3"]

how the hell did gw1 survive then?

Crypt_mx

And those sales worked fine for the first couple years the game was out, but now the cash shop has grown much larger and offers a variety of different things that you can buy. It doesnt matter if you sell 20 million copies, using that money for server up-keep and game updates requires many employees to continue working on the game, and then the profit made shrinks until a cash shop is forced. Even if we do not see one at launch for GW2, there WILL be one.

[QUOTE="cobrax55"]

[QUOTE="Steameffekt"] More creative AND original than TOR? Haha, please explain. Steameffekt

Because everything about it is the same as MMO's have always been. The reality is that it would never even be hyped if it wasnt in development by Bioware and wasnt star wars.

Its biggest selling point is that its fully voiced (which is true of Guild Wars 2 as well). Guild Wars 2 on the other, has gotten rid of questing in its entirety. Its not exacly hard to tell which is most different from the generic MMO.

Is that a joke :lol:

First of all, GW1 and 2 arent even similar. One is an MMO, and the other isnt.

Second, Far more of GW2 gameplay has ever been shown than TOR. Its pretty obvious you know nothing about the game since there have been hours and hours of footage over the last year. There was roughly 40 minutes of footage from Pax 11 alone, far more then there was of TOR.

The problem with TOR, is that for all its talk of story, the gameplay itself is identicle to every other MMO. Guild Wars 2 however, is not. Questing has been removed in its entirety, and replaced with the very innovative event system, the game doesnt feature the tired mirad of Tanks and healers (which TOR is actually advertising).

The reality is, that TOR would have no hype behind it if it wasnt from Bioware and Wasnt a Star Wars MMO. I hate to say it, but its completly true.

I'm torn. The game looks fun in a general MMO sense, and like a spiritual co-op successor to KOTOR. But on the other hand I can't help but feel how BASTARDIZED the whole theme is to fit in the cookie cutter MMO formula. And yes, it is just a cookie-cutter MMO. I mean look at it and how it plays. The Jedi Consular is a mage...? The Jedi Knight is an off-tank, the trooper is a tank, and we have some random dude as a healer. Same stuff different skin.

Looks like it'll be fun to play, and I AM going to check it out.. I was just expecting something a lot more unique from Bioware. BTW, EQ2 was fully voiced years and years ago. It's nothing new.

[QUOTE="Steameffekt"][QUOTE="cobrax55"]

Because everything about it is the same as MMO's have always been. The reality is that it would never even be hyped if it wasnt in development by Bioware and wasnt star wars.

Its biggest selling point is that its fully voiced (which is true of Guild Wars 2 as well). Guild Wars 2 on the other, has gotten rid of questing in its entirety. Its not exacly hard to tell which is most different from the generic MMO.

cobrax55

Is that a joke :lol:

First of all, GW1 and 2 arent even similar. One is an MMO, and the other isnt.

Second, Far more of GW2 gameplay has ever been shown than TOR. Its pretty obvious you know nothing about the game since there have been hours and hours of footage over the last year. There was roughly 40 minutes of footage from Pax 11 alone, far more then there was of TOR.

The problem with TOR, is that for all its talk of story, the gameplay itself is identicle to every other MMO. Guild Wars 2 however, is not. Questing has been removed in its entirety, and replaced with the very innovative event system, the game doesnt feature the tired mirad of Tanks and healers (which TOR is actually advertising).

The reality is, that TOR would have no hype behind it if it wasnt from Bioware and Wasnt a Star Wars MMO. I hate to say it, but its completly true.

I never called GW1 an MMO.

I just saw some GW2 footage and I counter your argument that TOR looks like every other MMO with that GW2 looks just the same as any MMO. There isn't much you can do with MMO mechanics. This "Innovative Even System" you speak of has already been in an MMO and that Warhammer Online. And Just because Arena Net hasn't revealed things about "Tanking" and "Healer" doesn't mean it won't be in GW2. GW2 is trying SO hard to be different that it's just becoming the same genral fantasy MMO formula.

EDIT: Also, GW2's major selling point is "Free, no monthy" fees and you know it.

[QUOTE="cobrax55"]

[QUOTE="Steameffekt"] You didn't even explain how it's creative or original. Fully voiced isn't one of the major selling points. It's doing what GW1 failed to do and that was tell a deep compelling story that no MMO has accomplished. And thus far, Bioware has shown what TOR can do and by the looks of it, seems to be a solid MMO. Arena Net hasn't not shown one bit of GW2. All we have seen are videos by the developers telling us what to expect and what they are promising, remember, actions speak louder than words.Steameffekt

Is that a joke :lol:

First of all, GW1 and 2 arent even similar. One is an MMO, and the other isnt.

Second, Far more of GW2 gameplay has ever been shown than TOR. Its pretty obvious you know nothing about the game since there have been hours and hours of footage over the last year. There was roughly 40 minutes of footage from Pax 11 alone, far more then there was of TOR.

The problem with TOR, is that for all its talk of story, the gameplay itself is identicle to every other MMO. Guild Wars 2 however, is not. Questing has been removed in its entirety, and replaced with the very innovative event system, the game doesnt feature the tired mirad of Tanks and healers (which TOR is actually advertising).

The reality is, that TOR would have no hype behind it if it wasnt from Bioware and Wasnt a Star Wars MMO. I hate to say it, but its completly true.

I never called GW1 an MMO.

I just saw some GW2 footage and I counter your argument that TOR looks like every other MMO with that GW2 looks just the same as any MMO. There isn't much you can do with MMO mechanics. This "Innovative Even System" you speak of has already been in an MMO and that Warhammer Online. And Just because Arena Net hasn't revealed things about "Tanking" and "Healer" doesn't mean it won't be in GW2. GW2 is trying SO hard to be different that it's just becoming the same genral fantasy MMO formula.

EDIT: Also, GW2's major selling point is "Free, no monthy" fees and you know it.

The event system has been done with other games, but its never replaced questing alltogther, and never been done in a fasion this advanced. Events have never chained off each other like this before, and its never effected the rest of the world so strongly.

Read this: http://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/dynamic-events/dynamic-events-overview/

nothing like this has ever been done in any MMO I have seen before.

And no, its been confirmed that Tankers and Healer ****s wont be in the game at all, many times in fact.

Why not just a make it a single player game if it's major selling focus is the voice acting and story?

It is kindalame that the lightsaber hits like a bat...

Imo,Bioware is sailing dangerous waters with it's MMO, if they fail they'll fail badly. I wonder if TOR fails Bioware gets dissolved.

It is kindalame that the lightsaber hits like a bat...

Imo,Bioware is sailing dangerous waters with it's MMO, if they fail they'll fail badly. I wonder if TOR fails Bioware gets dissolved.

Masculus

It is kindalame that the lightsaber hits like a bat...

Imo,Bioware is sailing dangerous waters with it's MMO, if they fail they'll fail badly. I wonder if TOR fails Bioware gets dissolved.

Masculus

Yeah I wish the lightsaber did more but for balance reasons can't just kill someone in 2-3 shots unfortunately :/. But TOR won't fail at least in terms of cost. It will sell good, and have alot of subscribers guaranteed for a few months at least. I don't see it dying though I mean it looks good, looks like it'll be alot of fun I just would be surprised if it "failed" just because the name "star wars" is an instant sale point and Bioware has a good name for themselves too.

gunmaster55555

Galaxies has the name Star Wars in it and it's been pretty much dead for years now. If it can't hold peoples attention or is flat out bad any game will fail, regardless of IP name or developer.

[QUOTE="gunmaster55555"]Yeah I wish the lightsaber did more but for balance reasons can't just kill someone in 2-3 shots unfortunately :/. But TOR won't fail at least in terms of cost. It will sell good, and have alot of subscribers guaranteed for a few months at least. I don't see it dying though I mean it looks good, looks like it'll be alot of fun I just would be surprised if it "failed" just because the name "star wars" is an instant sale point and Bioware has a good name for themselves too.

MadCat46

Galaxies has the name Star Wars in it and it's been pretty much dead for years now. If it can't hold peoples attention or is flat out bad any game will fail, regardless of IP name or developer.

I'm hoping to be in line for a midnight release :D

I don't get why people say that. Galaxies didn't fail, and it hasn't failed yet. It's still got people playing it and is still making money...guynamedbilly

They are going to be cutting staff or moving them to other projects after this launches, whether it succeeds or not. I admit, I'm more interested in this game because I think of it more like a coop KOTOR than an actual mmo, but there's no reason it can't appeal to both.

I'm kind of disappointed to see a forum mod pass judgement on a game he/she has never played. C'mon, guys, you're supposed to set an example, not be troll bait. =/attirex