RAGE - More Bull from a Dev...???

http://games.on.net/article/13929/RAGEs_Troubled_PC_Launch_Explained

I'll let u guys decide...but I'm sick of excuses...

http://games.on.net/article/13929/RAGEs_Troubled_PC_Launch_Explained

I'll let u guys decide...but I'm sick of excuses...

FelipeInside

Hes got issues in the head i swear. something in his brain isn't clicking correctly.

I'll let u guys decide...but I'm sick of excuses...

FelipeInside

I dunno, some of that directly contradicts what he said at the keynote speech. For instance, their plan to use PC as the lead platform for future titles, because making consoles first was a huge mistake.

"both console versions will have larger audiences than the PC version" - John Carmack

Well duh, if it is this buggy, no one on the PC is going to buy it.

Blizzard doesn't have any issue selling PC games.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

http://games.on.net/article/13929/RAGEs_Troubled_PC_Launch_Explained

I'll let u guys decide...but I'm sick of excuses...

Ikuto_Tsukiyomi

Hes got issues in the head i swear. something in his brain isn't clicking correctly.

From a business point of view his comments make perfect sense. If you were in his shoes you would do the exact same thing. It is all about money people... Carmack doesn't owe anyone anything.

Here is what it comes down to:

- if PC gamers boycott (lol) ID games in the future they will still make exceptional money off selling their games on consoles.

- now turn the situation on it's head... they can not survive with only the PC market on their side if the consoles boycotted their products.

If you want to blame anything, how about the absurd pricess for gaming hardware? I mean does NVIDIA and AMD really need to come out with a new card every 4 months.

In my opinion, NVIDIA and AMD with their lack of patch support and price gouging is what has contribute large to the demise of PC gaming with a lot of old school PC gamers switching to console because they get tired of spending 2 days getting a game to run out of the box.

[QUOTE="Ikuto_Tsukiyomi"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

http://games.on.net/article/13929/RAGEs_Troubled_PC_Launch_Explained

I'll let u guys decide...but I'm sick of excuses...

FelipeInside

Hes got issues in the head i swear. something in his brain isn't clicking correctly.

To be honest he should've just kept his trap shut and let the community fix it.

From a business point of view his comments make perfect sense. If you were in his shoes you would do the exact same thing. It is all about money people... Carmack doesn't owe anyone anything.

Here is what it comes down to:

- if PC gamers boycott (lol) ID games in the future they will still make exceptional money off selling their games on consoles.

- now turn the situation on it's head... they can not survive with only the PC market on their side if the consoles boycotted their products.

If you want to blame anything, how about the absurd pricess for gaming hardware? I mean does NVIDIA and AMD really need to come out with a new card every 4 months.

In my opinion, NVIDIA and AMD with their lack of patch support and price gouging is what has contribute large to the demise of PC gaming with a lot of old school PC gamers switching to console because they get tired of spending 2 days getting a game to run out of the box.

Morrinator

Damn...this trap got me, I actually read the stupidity of Carmack.

Instead of shutting his mouth and concentrate with his team on fixing the game he makes stupid and most of all pointless interviews, how exactly does this help anyone? they'll lose sales because of even more pirates, there's no way some wouldn't act like that after reading something as stupid as this, it'd make some possible buyers avoid this unprofessional developer (the last good game they made was Quake 3 - there are enough years since then for 3 developers to make stupid decisions like id and go under after an extremely successful game) and it'd frustrate people that already bought the game for no reason...I agree with Ikuto, Carmack or whoever put him there wasn't thinking.

Hmm, I can see why most devs left for console gaming, pc gamers are just perfectionist by heart and hard to please.

For multiplatform games, we should all know by now that the consoles are the lead development platform, and the reason for that is to maximise profit. Nothing new here.

Ironically, as I type this, there is an advert for RAGE on the TV. LMAO.

Hmm, I can see why most devs left for console gaming, pc gamers are just perfectionist by heart and hard to please.

Bikouchu35

thats a bad thing? and to the guy who said a dev cant survive off of pc games alone :lol: dont be an idiot of course they can, the pc has a bigger market share than all 3 consoles combined, id just got greedy and tried get as much money as they could by going multi, but then thats what all devs are doing these days

All I hear is 'Corporate greed....'

[QUOTE="Morrinator"]

From a business point of view his comments make perfect sense. If you were in his shoes you would do the exact same thing. It is all about money people... Carmack doesn't owe anyone anything.

Here is what it comes down to:

- if PC gamers boycott (lol) ID games in the future they will still make exceptional money off selling their games on consoles.

- now turn the situation on it's head... they can not survive with only the PC market on their side if the consoles boycotted their products.

If you want to blame anything, how about the absurd pricess for gaming hardware? I mean does NVIDIA and AMD really need to come out with a new card every 4 months.

In my opinion, NVIDIA and AMD with their lack of patch support and price gouging is what has contribute large to the demise of PC gaming with a lot of old school PC gamers switching to console because they get tired of spending 2 days getting a game to run out of the box.

FelipeInside

Read son... for God sakes read. I was giving my opinion on why consoles have seemed to grab the attention of developers over the PC community.

Read... think... then post. In that order.

Hmm, I can see why most devs left for console gaming, pc gamers are just perfectionist by heart and hard to please.

Bikouchu35

Sorry, I forgot that when PC gamers buy a game, they expect it to actually work...

What perfectionists we are.

Dear PC gamers,

Thanks for making all of our past games best-sellers, providing us with the money to get set up in the far more easily pleased console market. We don't need you any more so here's a botched port tested by the janitor. We're far too busy making DLC to patch this so we'll shift all the blame to the video card companies. It's clearly their fault that every game except ours runs perfectly on their drivers.

Your pal,

John Carmack

Hmm, I can see why most devs left for console gaming, pc gamers are just perfectionist by heart and hard to please.

Bikouchu35

completely off-topic , but i think there are at least 4 trannies/she-males in your sig !!!

on-topic .

er ...

pc should have been the leading platform.

* damn , that sig is haunting me :( *

I think he's a guy who doesn't like being wrong, so when something like this explodes in his face, he gets all defensive.

All they could do before was hype it to death as the best game ever made and unlike anything else, and now that it launched and people are pissed they are all about excuses. They can't accept that they F***** up

I think he's a guy who doesn't like being wrong, so when something like this explodes in his face, he gets all defensive.

Wasdie

Precisely. I don't like him anyway. He seemed to have a sense of grandeur about himself when he talked about the game pre-launch

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

I think he's a guy who doesn't like being wrong, so when something like this explodes in his face, he gets all defensive.

seanmcloughlin

Precisely. I don't like him anyway. He seemed to have a sense of grandeur about himself when he talked about the game pre-launch

Like when he said that developing it on all three platforms in parallel was a mistake and from now on all their games will by PC first and downgraded for consoles?

From the start, Rage was intended as id's entry in the console market. It's the first game they made in-house for a console and it was designed with them as the primary platforms. So he's actually consistent about that.

As for the driver issues - AMD screwed up, id has no fault in this.

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

I think he's a guy who doesn't like being wrong, so when something like this explodes in his face, he gets all defensive.

Baranga

Precisely. I don't like him anyway. He seemed to have a sense of grandeur about himself when he talked about the game pre-launch

Like when he said that developing it on all three platforms in parallel was a mistake and from now on all their games will by PC first and downgraded for consoles?

From the start, Rage was intended as id's entry in the console market. It's the first game they made in-house for a console and it was designed with them as the primary platforms. So he's actually consistent about that.

As for the driver issues - AMD screwed up, id has no fault in this.

id are a PC developer first and foremost. They should have given more attention and credit to the PC version. After all look how long it took them to actually release the game. When they hype visuals constantly tell us all about this cool megatexturing stuff and then show that crap they fail big time. Now they are getting very defensive about it because they are butt hurt about the backlash they got. As if nothing bad could ever be said about their precious RAGE

It was the same with Crytek after Crysis 2. They hyped it to death also and the PC version was awful and they got attacked for it. now id will suffer the same. unless they can fix it fast

*sigh* Pc just lost a once-great developer...again.kris9031998

Yeah...it's bad when even Carmack turns his back on PC.

Things like this make me worry even more about PC gaming.

I think he's a guy who doesn't like being wrong, so when something like this explodes in his face, he gets all defensive.

Wasdie

First his rockets, now his games.

Currently running the game with a custom config that pushes everything to the max and look at these breathtaking screenshots I took:

ID Tech 5 is officially the most beautiful engine I have ever seen.... Okay but on a more serious note, my PC is more than capable to run the game with everything on full yet it still looks horrible, I also tried the game on a second PC thats even better than mine without the custom config and it still yielded the same, ugly results. Just an extra note, my PC has an ATi card in it while the second one has an Nvidia card.

Rage should have been a PC exclusive. If done properly (no mouse acceleration, with high res textures, no driver issues etc.) I'm sure it would have sold more copies than the actual Rage we got will. Developers are too greedy to see this and usually end up with empty pockets. Then they complain about the piracy on the PC.

Why bother with a pc version at all if they intentionally made it inferior and flawed? It's not doing us any favors by selling us an unplayable piece of crap.

I don't know what people were expecting id hasn't made anything really good in like 10 years. There last good game was what Quake 3?!

to be fair amd screwed up the drivers, releasing the wrong ones etc... The game actually works great on pc and is fun.

Why bother with a pc version at all if they intentionally made it inferior and flawed? It's not doing us any favors by selling us an unplayable piece of crap.

Qixote

[QUOTE="Qixote"]

Why bother with a pc version at all if they intentionally made it inferior and flawed? It's not doing us any favors by selling us an unplayable piece of crap.

TerrorRizzing

Currently running the game with a custom config that pushes everything to the max and look at these breathtaking screenshots I took:

ID Tech 5 is officially the most beautiful engine I have ever seen.... Okay but on a more serious note, my PC is more than capable to run the game with everything on full yet it still looks horrible, I also tried the game on a second PC thats even better than mine without the custom config and it still yielded the same, ugly results. Just an extra note, my PC has an ATi card in it while the second one has an Nvidia card.koospetoors

This is fro my pc...gtx560ti, x4 955....and it does look amazing imo. Only issue is textures pop in when you turn but the game is very good imo.

im sorry but thats not an amazing looking game, whatever else it might be (gameplay, story) it isnt one of the lookers

Currently running the game with a custom config that pushes everything to the max and look at these breathtaking screenshots I took:

ID Tech 5 is officially the most beautiful engine I have ever seen.... Okay but on a more serious note, my PC is more than capable to run the game with everything on full yet it still looks horrible, I also tried the game on a second PC thats even better than mine without the custom config and it still yielded the same, ugly results. Just an extra note, my PC has an ATi card in it while the second one has an Nvidia card.

koospetoors

Also, for the sake of distribution, it can start to get hard after a certain size, I'd say.. 50gb is the absolute upper limit for a new release (remember, pc optical media is still stuck in the dvd era), wonder how many would cry if that were the size, considering bandwidth caps.

Most of the current version of the game's 21gb size is all just textures, While a game like Crysis was like 7gb, but useing tiled (repeated) textures, so it is much, much smaller.

I think people are misreading parts of the interview and the point being made.

Yeah the rage launch was a disaster on the PC. Carmack points to the AMD driver issue but that's obviously not the only problem. However the rest of his point is not an explanation or justification for those issues.

Rage was a game that was first and foremost developed as a proof of concept for ID Tech 5. As such, to be truly successful it had to achieve several things:

1) It HAD to do well on both consoles. If it failed to do that it would be dead and gone as a potential 3rd part engine other companies would want to license

2) It had to look good. It only partially meets that requirement. there' some really weird, incredibly low res textures seen through the game.

He is correct though, if you're developing technology with the aim of having it work well on all platforms you HAVE to worry about the smaller and weaker platforms first. ID (and by extension Carmack) failed in their launch of Rage and right now I'd guess that the future of ID Tech 5 is uncertain to say the least. But everything he says about platform cross development makes sense and are hardly cause for screaming betrayal.

I think people are misreading parts of the interview and the point being made.

Yeah the rage launch was a disaster on the PC. Carmack points to the AMD driver issue but that's obviously not the only problem. However the rest of his point is not an explanation or justification for those issues.

Rage was a game that was first and foremost developed as a proof of concept for ID Tech 5. As such, to be truly successful it had to achieve several things:

1) It HAD to do well on both consoles. If it failed to do that it would be dead and gone as a potential 3rd part engine other companies would want to license

2) It had to look good. It only partially meets that requirement. there' some really weird, incredibly low res textures seen through the game.

He is correct though, if you're developing technology with the aim of having it work well on all platforms you HAVE to worry about the smaller and weaker platforms first. ID (and by extension Carmack) failed in their launch of Rage and right now I'd guess that the future of ID Tech 5 is uncertain to say the least. But everything he says about platform cross development makes sense and are hardly cause for screaming betrayal.

Mazoch

Reminds me of Warren Spector after Epic Mickey launched.

[QUOTE="Mazoch"]

I think people are misreading parts of the interview and the point being made.

Yeah the rage launch was a disaster on the PC. Carmack points to the AMD driver issue but that's obviously not the only problem. However the rest of his point is not an explanation or justification for those issues.

Rage was a game that was first and foremost developed as a proof of concept for ID Tech 5. As such, to be truly successful it had to achieve several things:

1) It HAD to do well on both consoles. If it failed to do that it would be dead and gone as a potential 3rd part engine other companies would want to license

2) It had to look good. It only partially meets that requirement. there' some really weird, incredibly low res textures seen through the game.

He is correct though, if you're developing technology with the aim of having it work well on all platforms you HAVE to worry about the smaller and weaker platforms first. ID (and by extension Carmack) failed in their launch of Rage and right now I'd guess that the future of ID Tech 5 is uncertain to say the least. But everything he says about platform cross development makes sense and are hardly cause for screaming betrayal.

Inconsistancy

What makes you say that ID / Carmack / Bethesda dosent like licensing out their engines? That's a HUGE part of what made ID what they are today. I'm not saying that you are incorrect, I've just never heard any hint of that before.

[QUOTE="Bikouchu35"]

Hmm, I can see why most devs left for console gaming, pc gamers are just perfectionist by heart and hard to please.

icyseanfitz

thats a bad thing? and to the guy who said a dev cant survive off of pc games alone :lol: dont be an idiot of course they can, the pc has a bigger market share than all 3 consoles combined, id just got greedy and tried get as much money as they could by going multi, but then thats what all devs are doing these days

No where did I say is a bad thing. Though from a business standpoint they can careless when they can go multiplat and be praised as gods within the console community. Im just speaking my opinion and I think everyone is too fast to jump id when they made doom and wolfenstein 3d for godsakes, give them a month to get this right. I dont think anyone in their right mind would put their eggs in one basket and fail. Market share can mean anything but that does not mean they get a piece of it, for all we know farmville makes pc gaming too!, share does not mean sales.

You see pc mmos left and right tank and the devs disband or move, and in this case id spent a lot though not as much as an mmo I assume I think is far too risky for them just to release it on pc alone they got to make sure they make back to continue on as a business. Im sure theres some hardcore id fans that would buy this, but not enough without the safety net of going multi. I think the word "perfectionist" is wrong now, but I perhaps I was looking for "fickle", when the smokes and mirror settle we will see that id fixes it and be praised again or the opposite.

The purpose of the game is to showcase the engine on all consoles, so t.hey can licenses off to other devs/pubs like they did with doom 3 much like epic did when they used unreal 3 as a hollow showcase (gameplay suc*ed compare to pred) to show off the engine's capabilities.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

I'll let u guys decide...but I'm sick of excuses...

GummiRaccoon

I dunno, some of that directly contradicts what he said at the keynote speech. For instance, their plan to use PC as the lead platform for future titles, because making consoles first was a huge mistake.