Age of Conan's first siege worldwide - Utter fail.

A few good chums decided to test out the much hyped siege feature in Age of Conan yesterday, what amounted was complete and utter fail on Funcoms behalf.

Here is the website with the entire report.

http://www.afraidyet.net/forums/showthread.php?t=46178

Here is a teaser:

"To sum it up in a nutshell, until they fix the insane lag with around 90 players on the screen, sieging will be very boring, and no fun at all. I am VERY disappointed. Call me emo, but this is game breaking. This IS the endgame of AoC for most of us, period. I stated a few weeks ago that they had to have this **** fixed by the time battlekeeps went up and its not. Is it even possible for them to tweak the game engine enough to make sieges playable? Got me. I really, really enjoy this game. I'm willing to give it a bit more time because of that. Only time will tell how things will go, but patience is not one of my virtues."

Spread the word.

A few good chums decided to test out the much hyped siege feature in Age of Conan yesterday, what amounted was complete and utter fail on Funcoms behalf.

Here is the website with the entire report.

http://www.afraidyet.net/forums/showthread.php?t=46178

Here is a teaser:

"To sum it up in a nutshell, until they fix the insane lag with around 90 players on the screen, sieging will be very boring, and no fun at all. I am VERY disappointed. Call me emo, but this is game breaking. This IS the endgame of AoC for most of us, period. I stated a few weeks ago that they had to have this **** fixed by the time battlekeeps went up and its not. Is it even possible for them to tweak the game engine enough to make sieges playable? Got me. I really, really enjoy this game. I'm willing to give it a bit more time because of that. Only time will tell how things will go, but patience is not one of my virtues."

Spread the word.

1nverted

Heh. Yougamers' review, published last week, destroyed this game.

if you look at the latest reviews for AoC you see them in the 7.5-7.8 range from IGN.com (the top video game site on the web!) and yougamers.com (5+ pages of AoC pros and cons). All the AoC fan boys and hack review sites gave this game 9-10 rating reviews based on 1-2 days of playing through tortage.

I don't fault this so much on the game developers as I do on Funcom sales/marketing that made promises it's developers could never deliver. The game is slight variant to WoW and LOTRO melee. Yes it makes you more involved but it takes away certain freedom's also. Yes the graphics are very good but you need a very good system to see them other wise they fall below LOTRO with a decent rig since AoC does not scale well. Has anyone looked at AoC graphics with the shader turned from 3.0 to 2.0? Try it, you will see a new level of cartoony graphics beyond that of WoW.

And all you AoC fan boys with your pitch forks, I gave AoC a 8.0 rating (frankly the most accurate rating on gamespot for AoC!) and a higher rating then most current professional reviews. I've played four toons so far (more then 40 hours) and have enjoyed certain parts of the game. It's a good game and so enjoy it but it's not perfect, so stop waving your perfect flag for it.

Heh. Yougamers' review, published last week, destroyed this game.

Baranga

that being said there are wow players that don't want the game to successful. There is even talk that blizzard is paying people to trash aoc.

yea I have to agree there are things that funcon didn't deliver in their game.

Heh. Yougamers' review, published last week, destroyed this game.

Baranga

it didn't destroy it as much as it stated, this is what you promised and then this is what you delivered.

I thought yougamers did an excellent job pointing out all the pros and cons for the game. I see two issues with this game and none are the developers faults, who created a very nice game.

1. Funcom - made all these "new & innovative" promises to previewers, it seems like they never even saw the game being developed themselves since it lacked many of the promises

2. the players - for months they have been screaming that it will be better then WoW, either because of WoW boredom and/or jealousy. Why would you compare a brand new MMO to the current champ? LOTRO fans never stooped to such tactics.

Yes, the core game is fun, however the more you get into the game (50+), that is when you start seeing the cracks start to open. I'm almost completely out of quests at 53, I have no idea how I'm going to get to 60. The only 6man dungeon in my level range (Tombs) is completely bugged to hell and everyone knows, so people don't even bother to group for it.

I've heard that it only gets worse, to the point where leveling = finding a group and griding mobs over and over again, and it's apparent that the endgame is complete yet, so it's becoming worse and worse each time I log in.

In all seriousness, you need to hold off from buying this game for atleast 6months, hopefully a small portion of what they promised would be in at release is complete by then.

Yes, the core game is fun, however the more you get into the game (50+), that is when you start seeing the cracks start to open. I'm almost completely out of quests at 53, I have no idea how I'm going to get to 60. The only 6man dungeon in my level range (Tombs) is completely bugged to hell and everyone knows, so people don't even bother to group for it.

I've heard that it only gets worse, to the point where leveling = finding a group and griding mobs over and over again, and it's apparent that the endgame is complete yet, so it's becoming worse and worse each time I log in.

In all seriousness, you need to hold off from buying this game for atleast 6months, hopefully a small portion of what they promised would be in at release is complete by then.

1nverted

you can tell this was a business decision to release the game with all these known bugs. I wonder how many monthly subscribers Funcom will hold onto?

everyone agrees the game needs 6 more months of development but in that time frame, warhammer, LOTRO and WoW expansion get released.

[QUOTE="1nverted"]

Yes, the core game is fun, however the more you get into the game (50+), that is when you start seeing the cracks start to open. I'm almost completely out of quests at 53, I have no idea how I'm going to get to 60. The only 6man dungeon in my level range (Tombs) is completely bugged to hell and everyone knows, so people don't even bother to group for it.

I've heard that it only gets worse, to the point where leveling = finding a group and griding mobs over and over again, and it's apparent that the endgame is complete yet, so it's becoming worse and worse each time I log in.

In all seriousness, you need to hold off from buying this game for atleast 6months, hopefully a small portion of what they promised would be in at release is complete by then.

ct1615

you can tell this was a business decision to release the game with all these known bugs. I wonder how many monthly subscribers Funcom will hold onto?

everyone agrees the game needs 6 more months of development but in that time frame, warhammer, LOTRO and WoW expansion get released.

I stopped playing. As people have said above once you get past 50-60 its a grind to even get to the next level. A lot of the dungeons are buggy, and the game gets very boring later.

Sad it went that way...

[QUOTE="1nverted"]

Yes, the core game is fun, however the more you get into the game (50+), that is when you start seeing the cracks start to open. I'm almost completely out of quests at 53, I have no idea how I'm going to get to 60. The only 6man dungeon in my level range (Tombs) is completely bugged to hell and everyone knows, so people don't even bother to group for it.

I've heard that it only gets worse, to the point where leveling = finding a group and griding mobs over and over again, and it's apparent that the endgame is complete yet, so it's becoming worse and worse each time I log in.

In all seriousness, you need to hold off from buying this game for atleast 6months, hopefully a small portion of what they promised would be in at release is complete by then.

ct1615

you can tell this was a business decision to release the game with all these known bugs. I wonder how many monthly subscribers Funcom will hold onto?

everyone agrees the game needs 6 more months of development but in that time frame, warhammer, LOTRO and WoW expansion get released.

Exactly,

Funcom shot themselves in the foot by releasing the game in the shape that it's in. You cannot expect your community to stay faithful when you're stil, fumbling around trying fix basic things that should have been completed long before launch (I mean, before last week, stats didn't even work o.o). Warhammer is yet to prove anything, although if they manage to deliver their PvP system then that is where the AoC pvp community will flock to, if only for a month, it will hurt Funcom.

Not to mention that they have EA backing them, WAR is going to get advertised to hell and back, something which AoC failed to do. Then you have LOTRO, not the greatest PvP game in the world, but it's got PvE covered and it's very stable, plus it has working DX10, player housing etc etc.

Last but not least, the juggernaut. Their is no telling what affect this will have on AoC's player base, it won't be positive though, as Blizzard is known for delivering very high quality and thoroughly tested content, on top of an already stable groundwork.

Funcom and AoC have a very rough future ahead, they need to get their act together and start releasing content, by the bucketloads.

[QUOTE="ct1615"][QUOTE="1nverted"]

Yes, the core game is fun, however the more you get into the game (50+), that is when you start seeing the cracks start to open. I'm almost completely out of quests at 53, I have no idea how I'm going to get to 60. The only 6man dungeon in my level range (Tombs) is completely bugged to hell and everyone knows, so people don't even bother to group for it.

I've heard that it only gets worse, to the point where leveling = finding a group and griding mobs over and over again, and it's apparent that the endgame is complete yet, so it's becoming worse and worse each time I log in.

In all seriousness, you need to hold off from buying this game for atleast 6months, hopefully a small portion of what they promised would be in at release is complete by then.

blackdreamhunk

you can tell this was a business decision to release the game with all these known bugs. I wonder how many monthly subscribers Funcom will hold onto?

everyone agrees the game needs 6 more months of development but in that time frame, warhammer, LOTRO and WoW expansion get released.

[QUOTE="ct1615"][QUOTE="1nverted"]

Yes, the core game is fun, however the more you get into the game (50+), that is when you start seeing the cracks start to open. I'm almost completely out of quests at 53, I have no idea how I'm going to get to 60. The only 6man dungeon in my level range (Tombs) is completely bugged to hell and everyone knows, so people don't even bother to group for it.

I've heard that it only gets worse, to the point where leveling = finding a group and griding mobs over and over again, and it's apparent that the endgame is complete yet, so it's becoming worse and worse each time I log in.

In all seriousness, you need to hold off from buying this game for atleast 6months, hopefully a small portion of what they promised would be in at release is complete by then.

1nverted

you can tell this was a business decision to release the game with all these known bugs. I wonder how many monthly subscribers Funcom will hold onto?

everyone agrees the game needs 6 more months of development but in that time frame, warhammer, LOTRO and WoW expansion get released.

Exactly,

Funcom shot themselves in the foot by releasing the game in the shape that it's in. You cannot expect your community to stay faithful when you're stil, fumbling around trying fix basic things that should have been completed long before launch (I mean, before last week, stats didn't even work o.o). Warhammer is yet to prove anything, although if they manage to deliver their PvP system then that is where the AoC pvp community will flock to, if only for a month, it will hurt Funcom.

Not to mention that they have EA backing them, WAR is going to get advertised to hell and back, something which AoC failed to do. Then you have LOTRO, not the greatest PvP game in the world, but it's got PvE covered and it's very stable, plus it has working DX10, player housing etc etc.

Last but not least, the juggernaut. Their is no telling what affect this will have on AoC's player base, it won't be positive though, as Blizzard is known for delivering very high quality and thoroughly tested content, on top of an already stable groundwork.

Funcom and AoC have a very rough future ahead, they need to get their act together and start releasing content, by the bucketloads.

they should what anet does have open beta first.

Why is it everytime a new MMO comes out that is not WoW, all the chicken little's swamp the forums?

I'm going to keep this short and sweet.

If you're one of the people who are fine with companies releasing unfinished MMO's, then you are the reason why MMO's continue to be released like this.

"Every MMO is like this at launch" - This comment is widely used to oppose those who complain about paying for an unfinished product. If you continue to think like that then companies like Funcom will continue to walk all over you.

The nextgen MMO won't have flashy graphics or interesting new gameplay, it will be a complete package, from creation to endgame.

If you're happy to be bent over like this, then you're essentially holding back the genre.

By all means name one MMO that was complete at release. How about non-mmo PC games that didnt need to patched?ShaizanHgh

That's the whole point.

So, what is your solution? Stop playing games altogether? Wait till the game is bug free?

Yes, it is a problem, but how do you remedy the situation?

So, what is your solution? Stop playing games altogether? Wait till the game is bug free?

Yes, it is a problem, but how do you remedy the situation?

ShaizanHgh

Probably to stop supporting unfinished products. It won't be just me though, I can assure you, people will know what is finished and what isn't.

Why is it everytime a new MMO comes out that is not WoW, all the chicken little's swamp the forums?

ShaizanHgh

also there is people being paid so i hear from billzzard to under mind other mmorpg's by going on their fourms and discreated them or trying to inflence them in some way from making a good mmorpg.

But we just came to the conclusion that no MMO has been released finished. If people would of quit playing WoW at the start do to all the bugs and wait time to access your character on a server, would it be as big of a game as it is today? Probally not.

People will know what is finished? This is somewhat an ambiguous answer, considering people's definition of finished is as varied as each individuals computer configuration.

But we just came to the conclusion that no MMO has been released finished. If people would of quit playing WoW at the start do to all the bugs and wait time to access your character on a server, would it be as big of a game as it is today? Probally not.

People will know what is finished? This is somewhat an ambiguous answer, considering people's definition of finished is as varied as each individuals computer configuration.

ShaizanHgh

But we just came to the conclusion that no MMO has been released finished. If people would of quit playing WoW at the start do to all the bugs and wait time to access your character on a server, would it be as big of a game as it is today? Probally not.

People will know what is finished? This is somewhat an ambiguous answer, considering people's definition of finished is as varied as each individuals computer configuration.

ShaizanHgh

It's basically like this.

Companies come out, announce their new MMO, develop continues, we get to preview all these great features and what-not, the hype train begins to roll. Release day comes around, the game turns out to be a buggy mess, features are incomplete, some don't exist at all.

People pay, people complain, people quit. Company profits off of people who buy their incomplete product and continue to profit off of the subscriptions of players who are convincing themselves to continue playing, missing content and features are promised in the form of future updates and patches, players wait, players wait for things that should have been in release, players wait.

It doesn't have to be like this.

Then you need to stop gaming altogether on the PC. Maybe try out the PS3, Wii or Xbox360, I hear games for those systems come out relatively bug free.

Then you need to stop gaming altogether on the PC. Maybe try out the PS3, Wii or Xbox360, I hear games for those systems come out relatively bug free.

ShaizanHgh

Ok well, I know where you stand on this issue, that's fine, move along.

[QUOTE="ShaizanHgh"]

Why is it everytime a new MMO comes out that is not WoW, all the chicken little's swamp the forums?

blackdreamhunk

also there is people being paid so i hear from billzzard to under mind other mmorpg's by going on their fourms and discreated them or trying to inflence them in some way from making a good mmorpg.

Wow it's sad people have to stoop to that level to discredit people who dislike the game and/or want changes to it...

Releases are always bumpy yet AoC is starting to falter where other MMOs shine...the late game...they need to start adding content as soon as they can.

Well Im glad you know where I stand. Im still trying to figure yours out. No offence, I just dont understand how you say not to play games that are unfinished, but due to the nature of PC gaming, almost all games are released unfinished. Maybe if you could expand on this contradiction a bit further.ShaizanHgh

I'm not reffering to non MMO games. They are only a 1 off payment, you're not paying $15 a month for them.

Look, if you're fine with paying developers to play catch up, then we can't see eye to eye, so I don't see why I need to explain my point further.

I could see this argument being valid if you were paying $15 a month and the servers were down all the time, meaning you cannot access the game. However that is not the case.

And If someone is one of those power gamers and is already at lv 80, then what more can you expect from a new game? Until there is a game that comes out perfect, from start to finish, your hopes will remain high.

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also there is people being paid so i hear from billzzard to under mind other mmorpg's by going on their fourms and discreated them or trying to inflence them in some way from making a good mmorpg.

blackdreamhunk

im sorry but that may be one of the silliest things I have ever read on these boards.

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also there is people being paid so i hear from billzzard to under mind other mmorpg's by going on their fourms and discreated them or trying to inflence them in some way from making a good mmorpg.

ct1615

im sorry but that may be one of the silliest things I have ever read on these boards.

Funcom has been doing a great job of patching AOC so far, im sure they will have the Seige Battles worked out, as they have worked out the other problems in the game very fast. The game has been a very good experience for me so far, and if Funcom can keep updating the game like they have, ill be a player on AOC for along time to come.

Every MMO that has ever been released has had some problems at launch, this one is no differnt.

[QUOTE="ct1615"][QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"][

also there is people being paid so i hear from billzzard to under mind other mmorpg's by going on their fourms and discreated them or trying to inflence them in some way from making a good mmorpg.

blackdreamhunk

im sorry but that may be one of the silliest things I have ever read on these boards.

Well in the end videogames is business and business is war,in war everything is allowed.It's a common tactic between rival restaurants for example sending people"of their own" to each other acting as costumers and complaining about varius stuff.It could be a similar case here and its much easier,you just tell 20-30 people to start making threads that will harm the other companys products.I'm not telling that blizzard(or funcom) or other companies do that(well some of them surely do) but it's a really easy way to harm the opponent.And some will say"well ok the people that visit the forums are few compared to the whole community of the gamers".Yeah but it's like a domino effect.Someone sees the thread and tells a friend of his,then the friend tells someone else etc.

[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"][QUOTE="ct1615"][QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"][

also there is people being paid so i hear from billzzard to under mind other mmorpg's by going on their fourms and discreated them or trying to inflence them in some way from making a good mmorpg.

Hate_Squad

im sorry but that may be one of the silliest things I have ever read on these boards.

Well in the end videogames is business and business is war,in war everything is allowed.It's a common tactic between rival restaurants for example sending people"of their own" to each other acting as costumers and complaining about varius stuff.It could be a similar case here and its much easier,you just tell 20-30 people to start making threads that will harm the other companys products.I'm not telling that blizzard(or funcom) or other companies do that(well some of them surely do) but it's a really easy way to harm the opponent.And some will say"well ok the people that visit the forums are few compared to the whole community of the gamers".Yeah but it's like a domino effect.Someone sees the thread and tells a friend of his,then the friend tells someone else etc.

That is one bussiness model big companies should drop because mmorpg will not adanvce. I mean it's now that game devs are starting to listen to their fans on fourms.

Too ambitious for FUNCOM...... they should have stuck to what they do best.

The licence itself *CONAN? i mean come on!, what a dorky ass concept!

I new this was a trainwreck from sqaure one.

It does not have the intrinsic mass appeal, nor is Funcom capable of structuring a solid MMORPG.

This game is best left for those with much greater experience within this genre..

AND ALL THIS TIME! THEY COULD HAVE PRODUCED A DREAMFALL TRILOGY !

Such a shame!.

I have to agree with the other poster than future MMOs need to be more polished at launch. The only reason WoW was my first MMO was because reviewers hardly mentioned bugs, which were always brought up in reviews for other MMOs. Well, WoW did have a ton of bugs at launch, so I unsubscribed until it got into better shape.

It's one thing to pay $50 for a buggy game, and have it patched later. It's another story entirely to pay $50 for a buggy game, then $15 per month for the next year until it is stabilized. Unfortunately, hard-core MMO'ers have accepted this, and the rest of us (literaly) have to pay for making the devs think it's OK (or the norm). I don't care if MMOs cost a lot to develop or to run, because as Blizz showed, you can reap ungodly rewards ($$$) if you do it right.

A few good chums decided to test out the much hyped siege feature in Age of Conan yesterday, what amounted was complete and utter fail on Funcoms behalf.

Here is the website with the entire report.

http://www.afraidyet.net/forums/showthread.php?t=46178

Here is a teaser:

"To sum it up in a nutshell, until they fix the insane lag with around 90 players on the screen, sieging will be very boring, and no fun at all. I am VERY disappointed. Call me emo, but this is game breaking. This IS the endgame of AoC for most of us, period. I stated a few weeks ago that they had to have this **** fixed by the time battlekeeps went up and its not. Is it even possible for them to tweak the game engine enough to make sieges playable? Got me. I really, really enjoy this game. I'm willing to give it a bit more time because of that. Only time will tell how things will go, but patience is not one of my virtues."

Spread the word.

1nverted

Having 90 players on the same screen will cause lag on anyones computer. This isnt really Funcoms fault, its just technical hardware limitations that is causing the low frame rate. Funcom would have to decide to limit the number of players on a siege so they can keep the frames at a higher level.

Abit unfair writing off a game just because its first siege thingy is a bad exerience.

AND ALL THIS TIME! THEY COULD HAVE PRODUCED A DREAMFALL TRILOGY !

Such a shame!.

lime05

[QUOTE="1nverted"]

A few good chums decided to test out the much hyped siege feature in Age of Conan yesterday, what amounted was complete and utter fail on Funcoms behalf.

Here is the website with the entire report.

http://www.afraidyet.net/forums/showthread.php?t=46178

Here is a teaser:

"To sum it up in a nutshell, until they fix the insane lag with around 90 players on the screen, sieging will be very boring, and no fun at all. I am VERY disappointed. Call me emo, but this is game breaking. This IS the endgame of AoC for most of us, period. I stated a few weeks ago that they had to have this **** fixed by the time battlekeeps went up and its not. Is it even possible for them to tweak the game engine enough to make sieges playable? Got me. I really, really enjoy this game. I'm willing to give it a bit more time because of that. Only time will tell how things will go, but patience is not one of my virtues."

Spread the word.

Jd1680a

Having 90 players on the same screen will cause lag on anyones computer. This isnt really Funcoms fault, its just technical hardware limitations that is causing the low frame rate. Funcom would have to decide to limit the number of players on a siege so they can keep the frames at a higher level.

It wasn't 90 players on the same screen but in the same instance, if Funcom new that it was not technically feasible then they should not have put it in, it is entirely their fault. A huge selling point of the game was large scale siege warfare but if they scale it down than it would be far less than they promised. Anyways you can't argue that AoC is well optimized.

Its an MMO, none hit the ground running.

Give it time, like any MMO, and pray funcom dont do a Star Wars Galaxy.

Look at the screens what is that raid UI? Looks fricken awful.V4LENT1NE

You ever see WoW's Orig raid UI, Freakn awful. Good thing someone came along and made a new UI for the game.