Wow america do something about north korea already like whats taking so long

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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="Danm_999"] Unless you were a shareholder in one of the major oil corporations that are now, you weren't ever entitled to get it. Iraq is now producing approximately 2.7 million barrels of oil a day, and its foreign oil companies like Exxon and BP that are reaping the windfall now that the oil fields are up and running again.Danm_999

so it has nothing to do with the US gov or the population of the country? but yet they went to war so that they would go deeply in debt and get no benefit. this is sounding like a 9/11 truther/moon landing hoax story.

I didn't say that's why the US government went to war. You're strawmanning. I was saying that because you aren't seeing a benefit from current Iraqi oil production doesn't mean nobody is.

but the comment i commented on was about america not going anywhere that it would not be able to plunder, if we are not plundering then the point i was trying to invalidate has been invalidated. going to war for plunder and doing everything but plundering are far and away two different actions

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#103 Danm_999
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but the comment i commented on was about america not going anywhere that it would not be able to plunder, if we are not plundering then the point i was trying to invalidate has been invalidated. going to war for plunder and doing everything but plundering are far and away two different actions

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Whether or not the USA intended to invade Iraq for its oil reserves was irrelevant to my point, foreign companies are now able to exploit those oil reserves. I was challenging the notion that you were supposed to benefit from any of this.

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#104 deactivated-59d151f079814
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There is absolutely NOTHING To gain from it.. And if we are talking about saving lives, we might as well focus on Africa.. A continent in which many are suffering from diseases, starvation, and other such things.
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#105 deactivated-59d151f079814
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[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] so it has nothing to do with the US gov or the population of the country? but yet they went to war so that they would go deeply in debt and get no benefit. this is sounding like a 9/11 truther/moon landing hoax story.

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I didn't say that's why the US government went to war. You're strawmanning. I was saying that because you aren't seeing a benefit from current Iraqi oil production doesn't mean nobody is.

but the comment i commented on was about america not going anywhere that it would not be able to plunder, if we are not plundering then the point i was trying to invalidate has been invalidated. going to war for plunder and doing everything but plundering are far and away two different actions

.. But Iraq has been plundered.. Iraq War was called the privatized war for A REASON.. The United States is not getting the plunder, the private corporations are.. By two ways.. First is permanently placing their corporation within the infastructure of Iraq... The second is ripping off the United States with subpar services..

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#106 surrealnumber5
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[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] but the comment i commented on was about america not going anywhere that it would not be able to plunder, if we are not plundering then the point i was trying to invalidate has been invalidated. going to war for plunder and doing everything but plundering are far and away two different actions

Whether or not the USA intended to invade Iraq for its oil reserves was irrelevant to my point, foreign companies are now able to exploit those oil reserves. I was challenging the notion that you were supposed to benefit from any of this.

but that was just a little reductio ad absurdum, i am sorry you could not see that. companies are paying the country to drill for oil, they are leasing the land, if you think that is exploitave then your beef should be with the iraq gov
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#107 Solid_Snake325
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Omg fine TC I'll get right on it, jeez you kids are so impatient these days.
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#108 surrealnumber5
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

I didn't say that's why the US government went to war. You're strawmanning. I was saying that because you aren't seeing a benefit from current Iraqi oil production doesn't mean nobody is.Danm_999
but the comment i commented on was about america not going anywhere that it would not be able to plunder, if we are not plundering then the point i was trying to invalidate has been invalidated. going to war for plunder and doing everything but plundering are far and away two different actions

.. But Iraq has been plundered.. Iraq War was called the privatized war for A REASON.. The United States is not getting the plunder, the private corporations are.. By two ways.. First is permanently placing their corporation within the infastructure of Iraq... The second is ripping off the United States with subpar services..

the political class for better or worse has decided to lease out the land, if it is a bad deal its on there sholders not the companies that took the deal
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Why is every international problem the U.S.'s responsibility?UT_Wrestler
Because scapegoats are nice!
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] but the comment i commented on was about america not going anywhere that it would not be able to plunder, if we are not plundering then the point i was trying to invalidate has been invalidated. going to war for plunder and doing everything but plundering are far and away two different actions

surrealnumber5

.. But Iraq has been plundered.. Iraq War was called the privatized war for A REASON.. The United States is not getting the plunder, the private corporations are.. By two ways.. First is permanently placing their corporation within the infastructure of Iraq... The second is ripping off the United States with subpar services..

the political class for better or worse has decided to lease out the land, if it is a bad deal its on there sholders not the companies that took the deal

... Surreal your logic is flawless.. They have no choice in the matter, they can either take out bombed out stuff, or take the only choice given.. Regardless Iraq is being plundered.. And so is the United States in this regard.. The contractor companies charged criminal amounts for subpar services..

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#111 the_ChEeSe_mAn2
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It will not happen anytime soon, because not only is the America not in a position for another war, but I don't think the rest of the UN Security Council (especially China) will agree to a military solution to the dictatorship problem in North Korea.
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#112 xgraderx
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You don't attack countries with nukes. Especially when a family of psychopaths is in complete control. wstfld
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#113 deactivated-59d151f079814
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It will not happen anytime soon, because not only is the America not in a position for another war, but I don't think the rest of the UN Security Council (especially China) will agree to a military solution to the dictatorship problem in North Korea.the_ChEeSe_mAn2

To be fair.. Neither did the UN for Iraq War.. It was a illegal war in all regards on the UN side of things..

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#114 the_ChEeSe_mAn2
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[QUOTE="the_ChEeSe_mAn2"]It will not happen anytime soon, because not only is the America not in a position for another war, but I don't think the rest of the UN Security Council (especially China) will agree to a military solution to the dictatorship problem in North Korea.sSubZerOo

To be fair.. Neither did the UN for Iraq War.. It was a illegal war in all regards on the UN side of things..

I was under the impression that the US found a loophole in the UN charter to organize a "police action" just like in Vietnam, no? I might be wrong on that. Either way, I don't think the other 4 UN Security Council members will let USA attack a country that of the Council members share border with unless Kim Jong Il's sanity goes off the deep end and does something immensely reckless.
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[QUOTE="the_ChEeSe_mAn2"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

It will not happen anytime soon, because not only is the America not in a position for another war, but I don't think the rest of the UN Security Council (especially China) will agree to a military solution to the dictatorship problem in North Korea.the_ChEeSe_mAn2

To be fair.. Neither did the UN for Iraq War.. It was a illegal war in all regards on the UN side of things..

I was under the impression that the US found a loophole in the UN charter to organize a "police action" just like in Vietnam, no? I might be wrong on that. Either way, I don't think the other 4 UN Security Council members will let USA attack a country that of the Council members share border with unless Kim Jong Il's sanity goes off the deep end and does something immensely reckless.

China is not too fond of North Korea. They don't want a unified korea under south korean rule, but they may actually start to lean that way as NK is becoming a massive liability both politically and economically for China. They don't want tides of refugees flooding their country and economically they have more to gain from the south. NK's sabre rattling is starting to piss china off according to some chinese sources.
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="the_ChEeSe_mAn2"]It will not happen anytime soon, because not only is the America not in a position for another war, but I don't think the rest of the UN Security Council (especially China) will agree to a military solution to the dictatorship problem in North Korea.the_ChEeSe_mAn2

To be fair.. Neither did the UN for Iraq War.. It was a illegal war in all regards on the UN side of things..

I was under the impression that the US found a loophole in the UN charter to organize a "police action" just like in Vietnam, no? I might be wrong on that. Either way, I don't think the other 4 UN Security Council members will let USA attack a country that of the Council members share border with unless Kim Jong Il's sanity goes off the deep end and does something immensely reckless.

Actually the United States multiple times (like China) only uses the UN when it pleases them, and disregards when it doesn't.. There is no loop hole to be done because the US is immune from such things.. The UN's biggest failing is its only as strong as the strongest power's willing to support it.. Meaning its extremely weak.. If this were not the case the Bush admin would be charged with human rights violations/war crimes.. With torturing of suspects and what not.

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#117 Wolls
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From what I understand North Korea does quite a bit of trade with China, who might be a bit miffed you are destroying their neighbour
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#118 Overlord93
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what do we look like the world police to you

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#119 Blaminator1221
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IMO there won't be a war with NK anytime soon. I remember not so long ago everyone thought war with Iran was inevitable and nothing happened. The US army has too much on its plate and the government knows that.

Besides if they wanted to attack Korea and were just waiting for an excuse to do it so they can make it look like they are the good guys the bombing of Yeonpyeong was certainly a pretty good excuse.

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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="Bashers79"]

Unless North Korea has some large stock of natural resources, for example oil,that can bepinched oncethe people of N Korea have been "saved", then I doubt America will be interested.

Danm_999

i am still wating on my oil shares from the last war................ tin foil hats for the loss

Unless you were a shareholder in one of the major oil corporations that are now, you weren't ever entitled to get it. Iraq is now producing approximately 2.7 million barrels of oil a day, and its foreign oil companies like Exxon and BP that are reaping the windfall now that the oil fields are up and running again.

Newsflash! US oil company now a foreign oil company. Care to fill everyone here which country ExxonMobile moved to?

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#121 WhiteKnight77
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The irony of this thread is the fact that someone is wanting the US to do something when the US is constantly bashed for sticking it's nose somewhere it supposedly shouldn't be. Make up, y'alls mind now. Do you or do you not want the US to be the world's police or security blanket?

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#122 redstorm72
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Fight your own battles and stop running to the U.S. whenever you want something blown up.

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#123 MasterKingMP
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Yeah like the US is a much better country. :roll:

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W

Abolutely Nothing.

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#125 -Big_Red-
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Were'nt people complaining before about how America gets their hands in everything?

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#126 curono
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We aren't the world police. Also the cost in money and life would not be worth it at all...

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Have we learned nothing from Iraq? It's not our job to cleanse every country of it's own problems.
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Let's see... Stretched thin military resources? Risk of war with freaking China? The fact that nobody wants the Korean war to start again? Those good enough reasons?
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#129 WhiteKnight77
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Let's see... Stretched thin military resources? Risk of war with freaking China? The fact that nobody wants the Korean war to start again? Those good enough reasons?PannicAtack

The Korean War never ended.

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if there was an intelligent alien race, they would be laughing at us right now. For our primitive way of "solving" problems.

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#131 EmpCom
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People are dying and getting killed each day children and elderly. Go assassinate Kim Jong-il already. Like north korea vs america the power of 11 super carriers and a full force of the American army whats so bad to go to war with them already holy crap cyborg9
Think of iraq and multiply the us death toll by 100
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#132 mrbojangles25
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because everyone might say "GO USA! Go get them!" but in five years people will say "BOOO USA! Get out, imperialistic pigs! Stop killing civies"

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Throw a brick at it?
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#134 Half-Way
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because everyone might say "GO USA! Go get them!" but in five years people will say "BOOO USA! Get out, imperialistic pigs! Stop killing civies"

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Ya! Why did the world get pissed? Its not like we lied to them or anything:P

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[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

because everyone might say "GO USA! Go get them!" but in five years people will say "BOOO USA! Get out, imperialistic pigs! Stop killing civies"

Half-Way

Ya! Why did the world get pissed? Its not like we lied to them or anything:P

Hey! They had yellow cake! YELLOW CAKE, I SAY!

Here is the evidence

Clearly from their enrichment facilities

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#137 curono
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Have we learned nothing from Iraq? It's not our job to cleanse every country of it's own problems. hillelslovak
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#138 bachilders
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yeah ur right war isnt the answer but if you snipe him and send someone in, Noones gonna point fingers and say its USA!

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I'm actually pretty sure everyone would point fingers and say it's USA.

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#139 Gibsonsg527
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lol no just no

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#141 Ghost_702
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Yea, why doesn't America just solve everyone's problems? *sarcasm*
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One word china...
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One word china...killzonexbox

Not quite.. North Korea is a nil threat.. They depend off of imports from China.. For Kim to go to war would be a act of political suicide... There is absolutely no reason to invade North Korea...... Furthermore North Korea isn't saber rattling for the sake of it, like India and Pakistan, North Korea and South Korea trade blows all the time.

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[QUOTE="Postal_Guy"]

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[QUOTE="killzonexbox"]One word china...sSubZerOo

Not quite.. North Korea is a nil threat.. They depend off of imports from China.. For Kim to go to war would be a act of political suicide... There is absolutely no reason to invade North Korea...... Furthermore North Korea isn't saber rattling for the sake of it, like India and Pakistan, North Korea and South Korea trade blows all the time.

Would China like a pro-US government right at the border of strategically crucial point to perfect US containment policy of China? China isn't going to be too happy about that.
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#147 AFBrat77
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Fear of World War 3.

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exactly, other countries will take sides

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#148 dercoo
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Hundreds of thousands of S. Koreans could die....

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#149 AFBrat77
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[QUOTE="cyborg9"]People are dying and getting killed each day children and elderly. Go assassinate Kim Jong-il already. Like north korea vs america the power of 11 super carriers and a full force of the American army whats so bad to go to war with them already holy crap EmpCom
Think of iraq and multiply the us death toll by 100

Not if we do a submarine-launched nuclear strike, North Korea would be obliterated.....unless of course other countries get involved, and we know they probably would.

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#150 AFBrat77
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america would lose they would run away after a few 1000 die and they dont have the money for a big war .

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U.S. can obliterate North Korea off the map....no chance of losing to them

They would never be able to get close enough

China scares me though........U.S. Air Force is FAR superior to China, but it worries me that China has operatives in the U.S.